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  • Message 1. 

    Posted by Threeblack drapedwellsofmyown (U5254306) on Friday, 20th July 2012

    Please.....

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  • Message 2

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    Posted by Hybro (U14605227) on Friday, 20th July 2012

    I think Borchester is about to get a new restaurant.

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  • Message 3

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    Posted by boxoffrogs (U15134166) on Friday, 20th July 2012

    What is Adam's status re the farm? Is he some sort of partner/director, or essentially an employee?

    In other words, can he actually stop Brian?

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  • Message 4

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    Posted by charmingAnnielynn (U11952070) on Friday, 20th July 2012

    If I were Adam, I'd have been tempted to belt him when he said "It doesn't have to be that way" - no, all Adam has to do agree that Brian and Debbie get to make all the decisions about the business HE'S supposed to have the authority to run, and life would be quite hunky-dory!

    I am not enthused about hearing a lot of moaning to Ian, but I would be pleased if the end result was Adam telling Brian that since Debbie is such a perfect farm manager, she can go ahead and run the England base, too. And then Adam should shove off immediately to a far-away place for a while and NOT give Brian plenty of time to find someone to step in and take over.

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    Posted by teddyandgypsy (U14935190) on Friday, 20th July 2012

    Tell Debbie exactly where to stick it and leave them to it . Brian is an idiot, risking everything on this ill starred venture. Can't understand why Jennifer hasn't been stronger on this.

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  • Message 6

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    Posted by Lakey_Hill (U14391672) on Friday, 20th July 2012

    Because she's Jennifer, and always wants a quiet life?

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  • Message 7

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    Posted by binocular (U10832169) on Friday, 20th July 2012

    No it's the Myson factor on JDs side. The poor woman is torn between Adam and Brian.

    We all know who's side she's going to end up on.

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  • Message 8

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    Posted by JacksParakeetBeingDe-Nested (U2979858) on Friday, 20th July 2012

    What is Adam's status re the farm? Is he some sort of partner/director, or essentially an employee?

    In other words, can he actually stop Brian?

     
    More than one thread has pondered this; I think the agreed version was that Adam is nominally in charge of part of the HF business but has no power over policy in the face of a united front, as here, of Brian and Debbie. Brian let Adam think he was an equal partner of three, but de facto and presumably de jure he isn't.

    What happens if Adam wants out and demands his share in cash goodness only knows.

    jp

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  • Message 9

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    Posted by StargazerwithOscar (U14668197) on Friday, 20th July 2012

    Anything else would involve putting her brain into gear. But Brian does seem very blasé about the size of the risk he's taking.

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  • Message 10

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    Posted by Lakey_Hill (U14391672) on Friday, 20th July 2012

    'Cos Debbie has convinced him. She seems to have a sometimes unreasonable hold over him.

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  • Message 11

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    Posted by Poorgrass (U12099742) on Friday, 20th July 2012

    You are right about the risk. Apart from the dodgy economics of the cow-ditz, what will happen when the BL board finds out Brian has lost a key supplier and is now in open conflict with his farm manager? In real life they would have deposed him already -the whole thing simply makes no sense and they have nothing to gain from it.

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  • Message 12

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    Posted by charmingAnnielynn (U11952070) on Friday, 20th July 2012

    Brian is just totally unable to imagine a situation where a member of his family would truly take a stand against him. Oh, sure, he knows that they may squawk and gripe, but in the end he believes they'll capitulate, because after all, it's What Brian Wants.

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  • Message 13

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    Posted by Earldunda (U14196337) on Friday, 20th July 2012

    'Cos Debbie has convinced him. She seems to have a sometimes unreasonable hold over him.  Debbie has spent a couple of minutes away from her very demanding role in Hungary to do a spreadsheet, which indicates Adam has to go!

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  • Message 14

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    Posted by Lee Shore (U14673711) on Friday, 20th July 2012

    His status is the illigitimate son of JD who has parachuted in demanding a share of valuable something as a Johnny come lately. I have no time for him and he would be better suited to schoomzing around as maitre d in an up market country restaurant. Maybe Grey Gables will fall into his and Ian's laps. He can play market gardens there and employ a load of East Europeans, comme la maison

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  • Message 15

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    Posted by Poorgrass (U12099742) on Friday, 20th July 2012

    >His status is the illigitimate son of JD who has parachuted in demanding a share of valuable something as a Johnny come lately.<

    That would be a valid argument, except that Ruiri has almost the exact same status, and if Adam had no rights to the farm, then Ruiri wouldn't have either. So Brian cannot play that card.

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  • Message 16

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    Posted by The Leech Pedlar (U15129703) on Friday, 20th July 2012

    and if Adam had no rights to the farm, then Ruiri wouldn't have either 

    Or Debbie.

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  • Message 17

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    Posted by Ginslinger Redux (U14830013) on Friday, 20th July 2012

    Adam has a degee in Agrinomics and over twenty years farming experience. Have you any evidence he is a poor farm manager? You may not like him as a person but I don't recall any evidence he isn't doing his job properle and is undeserving of respect in that sphere.

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  • Message 18

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    Posted by DracoM1 (U14252039) on Friday, 20th July 2012

    Brian is just totally unable to imagine a situation where a member of his family would truly take a stand against him. Oh, sure, he knows that they may squawk and gripe, but in the end he believes they'll capitulate, because after all, it's What Brian Wants.   Much good sense in this.

    I still suspect that Adam is either on the way out, or the two are about to set up something to rival HF and / or BF and start a truly innovative smallholding a la Fearnley-Whittingstall.

    I do hope so: it would give the SWs a whole new set of SLs to develop, particularly if there was a really good niche restaurant in here too which for soaps is a necessary and natural meeting place and thus source for intrigue / new dissemination etc.

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  • Message 19

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    Posted by JoinedPeetsBoard_Smeesues_too (U14519481) on Friday, 20th July 2012

    Adam was adopted by Roger Macy - he is Brian's step son in exactly the same way as if he were Roger's son..

    Adam arrived in BF after his relationship in Africa went wrong. He worked in BF unpaid for a bit .. then after a while he became a paid employee -

    A poster upthread had it right - Brian is used to being obeyed and cannot imagine otherwise.

    I think this signals the end of Brian as a BL head honcho ..
    JPBS

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  • Message 20

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    Posted by cath (U2234232) on Friday, 20th July 2012

    Mmm I don't think Adam has 2 legs to stand on in law, does he? He's entitled with Debbie to (iirc) 70% of the HF profits but he's one of 3 and he has no entitlement to capital. So if he flounces off he'll be on his own (unless there was a transfer of property while they weren't on air).

    Bearing in mind Ian's previous I don't think Adam can rely on Ian's support either. Ian's an appeaser by nature (having forced Adam to apologise to Sid for Sid bashing him).

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  • Message 21

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    Posted by Ginslinger Redux (U14830013) on Friday, 20th July 2012

    I don't know quite what the situation was.. Alice seemingly has rights now to her cottage which forms part of her inheritance. I don't know if any formal partnership or grant of shares was made at the time there was the division of the spoils. Adam did get some money to help him buy Honeysuckle cos Jenny said Brian would have had to provide accomodation for at farm manager anyway.

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  • Message 22

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    Posted by Lee Shore (U14673711) on Friday, 20th July 2012

    I didn't say that

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  • Message 23

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    Posted by Malahide (U14258229) on Friday, 20th July 2012

    I had the feeling that this is the prelude to Adam's departure from Home Farm. I can't see how he could take being pushed aside by both Brian *and* Debbie.

    Maybe he and Ian will set up a restaurant of their own, it seems more likely than moving out of Ambridge and going to farm elsewhere, especially after Adam's bump on the head.

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  • Message 24

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    Posted by Ginslinger Redux (U14830013) on Friday, 20th July 2012

    You said you he would be better off being a maitre d than the job he has trained for and has long experience in.Tad disparaging....

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  • Message 25

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    Posted by The Leech Pedlar (U15129703) on Friday, 20th July 2012

    Is there enough trade in the Ambridge area for an additional classy eatery? GG isn't going away.

    Additionally, why would Ian want to leave GG anyway? Even assuming there isn't something in his contract that prevents him from setting up in competition within a certain distance of GG.

    Then of course there is Brain. With Debbie involved with other things, she's not likely to come back to Ambridge other than as a semi-silent, so Brain either has a major increase in workload for himself if Adam goes. Or, he has to find a replacement.

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  • Message 26

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    Posted by DracoM1 (U14252039) on Saturday, 21st July 2012

    Or, if the megadairy idea collapses, he is ousted from BL and sooner rather than later, retires altogether from HF and leaves it to........

    .......well, whom?

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  • Message 27

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    Posted by Poorgrass (U12099742) on Saturday, 21st July 2012

    Or, if the megadairy idea collapses, he is ousted from BL and sooner rather than later, retires altogether from HF and leaves it to........

    .......well, whom?  
    I can definitely see the first two things happening - I'm sure that Annabel is already plotting how to get the chairmanship of BL. But as for Brian retiring altogether, sorry no, that would involve spending more time with JD and taking her on holidays, and somehow I don't see that happening...

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  • Message 28

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    Posted by Rose Sal Volatile Parade (U4705648) on Saturday, 21st July 2012

    Ooh, yes, good story . Love inheritance tiffs especially as they're so long-term in their implications. They suit TA very well.

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  • Message 29

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    Posted by irene (U14262395) on Saturday, 21st July 2012

    a la fearnley whittinstall, dracs? as long as he doest start eating placenta i rather like the idea.

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  • Message 30

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    Posted by DracoM1 (U14252039) on Saturday, 21st July 2012

    OK, so nightmare part 1, Brine buys Valley Farm and runs it as a hobby getting Know-all Pip and Wet Spencer to do the work while he bosses them about unmercifully?

    Or, nightmare part 2, and much better for the real SLT-haters, he hires Tom to farm it on his own.

    And, bright day part 1, Adam buys BF, farms it organically / ethically, then, bright day Part 2, quietly eases Helen and YMB out to fend for themselves over My Lyttle Shoppe in Borchester, while Pat'n'Tone take over Adam / Ian's old place and help run the BF dairy, which, bright day part 3, actually starts to show innovation and adventure and becomes a high-prestige outfit while, even brighter day part 4, the HF megadairy runs into un-navigable hassles.

    Well, the TA team aren't the only ones who can think up guff.

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  • Message 31

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    Posted by irene (U14262395) on Saturday, 21st July 2012

    but he rallied, and was anti appeasing over david's being a witness or not, cath. so maybe he's changed? yes thats how i recall the adam deal on home farm ie share of profits, but nothing else. cant remember if we know anything of brians will.

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  • Message 32

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    Posted by cath (U2234232) on Saturday, 21st July 2012

    Yes, true irene, he did want Dave to give evidence. But that was about criminality whereas this is about the quiet life and not having arguments. Time will tell though.

    I think Brian told JD he was going to leave the farm in the shares 35/35/30 (30 to Roary) but he'll be dead by the time they find out what he's really done.

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  • Message 33

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    Posted by irene (U14262395) on Saturday, 21st July 2012

    snork! erm who are the 35/35 left to? kindly type slowly and clearly, using simple language, as you know this sort of thing isnt a strong point of mine.

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  • Message 34

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    Posted by mazaroo (U14597757) on Saturday, 21st July 2012

    I do find Adam one of the weaker characters. He is not particularly finely drawn. He is portrayed as being a bit smug and self righteous and, as often happens with that sort of personality, he whinges. He clearly has no empathy with Brian and Debbie and their farming philosophy, and he can only isolate himself to a certain extent with his side of the operation. For his own mental health's sake he needs to put distance between himself and them. But of course, he is the rich man's stepson and has been happy to take a good standard of living from the outfit which he basically despises. Can't have it both ways Adam.

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  • Message 35

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    Posted by The Leech Pedlar (U15129703) on Saturday, 21st July 2012

    OK, so nightmare part 1, Brine buys Valley Farm and runs it as a hobby getting Know-all Pip and Wet Spencer to do the work while he bosses them about unmercifully? 

    But what would he need Valley Farm for when he still has Home Farm? That place isn't owned by AE/BL - or whatever they're calling themselves these days.... Anyway it's probably just a matter of time before the BBC Watchdog programme starts investigating the activities of that outfit. :- )

    I don't see Debbie (unless re-cast) returning full-time to TA anytime soon. So who can run HF with Adam gone?

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  • Message 36

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    Posted by mazaroo (U14597757) on Saturday, 21st July 2012

    Yes, true irene, he did want Dave to give evidence. But that was about criminality whereas this is about the quiet life and not having arguments. Time will tell though.

    I think Brian told JD he was going to leave the farm in the shares 35/35/30 (30 to Roary) but he'll be dead by the time they find out what he's really done. 
    Not sure how this works out - 35 to both Adam and Debbie. I the remaining 30 goes to Ruari what about Alice? Surely a holiday cottage would not compensate for a quarter share in the business.

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  • Message 37

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    Posted by cath (U2234232) on Saturday, 21st July 2012

    > 35 to both Adam and Debbie. <

    Yes, that's what he'd inferred (I think).

    > what about Alice?<

    Don't forget Kate.

    >Surely a holiday cottage would not compensate for a quarter share in the business.<

    Well Mrs Pargetter, that's one point of view.

    [I'm really looking forward to hearing how Jeck and Peggy's estate is divided]

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  • Message 38

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    Posted by The Leech Pedlar (U15129703) on Saturday, 21st July 2012

    But as for Brian retiring altogether, sorry no  

    Me neither. I could easily see Brain pulling the rug from beneath BL's feet by withdrawing HF land from their mega-dairy scheme and at the same time buying Valley Farm - either alone or with David/Oliver/both - grubbing up some of the hedges and turning it over to a bio-fuel crop production.

    That would leave Valley Farm-house for either a new farm-manager, or for a newly responsible Ed (and family) with him being trained - under Oliver and David's sponsorship, to take over as farm manager a year or two down the line.

    I can write this guff too, Dracs. ;- )

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  • Message 39

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    Posted by cath (U2234232) on Saturday, 21st July 2012

    I thought BL had already bought Valley Farm? That's where they're housing the megadairy workers.

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  • Message 40

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    Posted by mazaroo (U14597757) on Saturday, 21st July 2012

    Of course - had forgotten about Kate. Can't imagine why. So this inheritance business with the five children and their various involvements in the business, or not as the case may be, plus the various statuses (or stati?) of step children and lovers' child etc. All very complicated. Brian needs to work things out.

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  • Message 41

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    Posted by The Leech Pedlar (U15129703) on Saturday, 21st July 2012

    But wouldn't it be fun if he left it a third each to _his_ three children... Ruairi, Alice and Kate... Talk about putting the cat amongst the pigeons. :- )

    Of course he could create just as much havoc if he leaves it 20% to each of the five.

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  • Message 42

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    Posted by DracoM1 (U14252039) on Saturday, 21st July 2012

    old cath

    I THINK they are merely eyeing it up, or Brine is. Don't think wonga has changed hands.

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  • Message 43

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    Posted by JoinedPeetsBoard_Smeesues_too (U14519481) on Saturday, 21st July 2012

    No I don't think it has either .. I think Brian is still negotiating ..
    JPBS

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  • Message 44

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    Posted by Dinah Shore (U14984316) on Saturday, 21st July 2012

    >His status is the illigitimate son of JD who has parachuted in demanding a share of valuable something as a Johnny come lately.<

    That would be a valid argument, except that Ruiri has almost the exact same status, and if Adam had no rights to the farm, then Ruiri wouldn't have either. 
    No. Ruairi is the illegitimate son of Brian. A very different kettle of fois gras.

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  • Message 45

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    Posted by cath (U2234232) on Saturday, 21st July 2012

    OK thanks Draco & JPBS. I don't follow TA very closely these days!

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  • Message 46

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    Posted by irene (U14262395) on Saturday, 21st July 2012

    bub but but the mega dairy is brians scheme isnt it, not bl's. he and debbie had to convince them to go ahead with it. was home farm land being used to build on? i though that was bl's. you can see that i cant follow things, cant you.

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  • Message 47

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    Posted by Dinah Shore (U14984316) on Saturday, 21st July 2012

    Friday 1st February
    Brian has something on his mind - Jenny can tell that - and he is ready to tell her what it is. He has been thinking about the future of the farm, about his will, in the light of all the changes lately.

    Kate and Alice will, as planned get one of the holiday cottages each, plus some cash.

    Should Jenny survive him, Home Farm will be her home for the rest of her life.

    After that it will go down the line, to Debbie and Adam. Nothing new so far.

    But he wants to include Ruairi.

    Jennifer simply cannot believe it. Brian is depriving Debbie and Adam of their inheritance.
    She should have known that all this "hands on" activity had an ulterior motive. She knew that he would want to leave something for Ruairidh but on a par with his provision for the two girls.

    He is not even "our" child - to which Brian cannot resist pointing out that Debbie and Adam are also not "ours".

    Ruairi is his son; of course his share would be in trust.

    He is growing up on a farm and he might want to be a farmer - and he might not. Jennifer feels that Ruairi could prevent Debbie and Adam from getting what is their due for commitment, body and soul, to the farm. What Brian proposes is not fair to Debbie, Adam or Jennifer but if he is intent on creating this mess, she hopes he is ready to live with the consequences.




    Friday 29th February
    • When Peggy calls at Home Farm, she finds a sick and bored Ruairidh, a harassed Jennifer and an arguing Adam and Brian. That something is wrong is inescapable, so Jennifer tells her about the will.
    Having thought about the inheritance issue, Peggy advises Jennifer to get tough and tell Brian that he must leave the farm to Adam and Debbie. She has cards to play; now is the time to play them.
    2nd March
    Jennifer finally has it out with Brian. The way he is behaving over the inheritance is changing the way she feels about Ruairi. Brian accuses her of blackmail and isn't going to listen but Jennifer thinks he should. She isn't sure she can give Ruairi the love that he needs anymore.
    Friday 7th March
    Brian tries to have a show down with Jennifer. She needs to snap out of things before she does some lasting damage to her family. Brian thinks she is being unreasonable and thinking of everyone but Ruairi. Eventually Jennifer plays her final card. If Brian doesn't come up with a better solution for the farm, even if it isn't what she wants, she will divorce him to get the right solution for Adam and Debbie.

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  • Message 48

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    Posted by The Leech Pedlar (U15129703) on Saturday, 21st July 2012

    I'm the same, Irene. I just take a wild stab at what the story is probably about at the time.

    A bit like playing darts really... You throw enough of them and you're bound to hit something expensive/alive. :- )

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  • Message 49

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    Posted by Rose Sal Volatile Parade (U4705648) on Saturday, 21st July 2012

    How big is Borchester for Borchester Land to play on? I thought it was HF land that would be built on otherwise why are Bridge farm and all of them worrying about the despoiling of the countryside around Ambridge?

    It doesn't bother me I can't follow it (and I can't - I have the haziest idea of what 'BL' is anyway when I think about it) but if there are experts here it's nice to tap into them so to speak.

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  • Message 50

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    Posted by Dinah Shore (U14984316) on Saturday, 21st July 2012

    11th September
    Debbie has a plan for a super dairy on the estate. 1000 cows, maybe more. Brian sounds interested and they plan to visit a "small" operation of 500 cows in Nottingham.

    14th September
    Brian and Debbie are quite impressed by the super dairy in Nottingham. Debbie is very insistent that it will all work. And Brian agrees. She should come up with some costings - but not involve Adam for the moment. Debbie isn't sure but Brian thinks it will be later, once Borchester Land has agreed that they should talk to him.

    20th September
    While Debbie goes to look at some dairy enterprises, Brian is anxious to get his hands on some figures for the BL board.

    22nd September
    With Jennifer out of earshot, Debbie gives Brian the figures he needs. They will be looking at a 1500 cow unit; if only they could get Brookfield on board, it could be 2000. Debbie will return to make a presentation to the BL board. meanwhile neither Jennifer nor Adam must know what they are planning.

    12th October

    Debbie's presentation to the board is that there is a good case for the dairy on BL land but it really works best if the Home Farm land is also involved and that's the option she recommends.

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