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  • Message 1. 

    Posted by TufTanya (U7939853) on Monday, 2nd July 2012

    Just tuned in,
    Did I just hear Jill snipe at the Lizard?

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  • Message 2

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    Posted by typewright (U14048004) on Monday, 2nd July 2012

    Good, wasn't it?

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  • Message 3

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    Posted by Anonymous (U14994586) on Monday, 2nd July 2012

    Oh yes indeed!

    Nice for Jill to take a firmer approach to her petulant daughter.

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  • Message 4

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    Posted by JumboJosephII (U14232752) on Monday, 2nd July 2012

    I had to turn up the volume to make sure I was hearing it for real. smiley - smiley

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  • Message 5

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    Posted by Vicky S (U2258400) on Monday, 2nd July 2012

    It sure was, I've decided I like this new Jill, snapping at the frail Elizabeth and accepting shop, ok Orangery* - cakes.






    * I bet they're bought in!

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  • Message 6

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    Posted by TufTanya (U7939853) on Monday, 2nd July 2012

    Indeed!

    Time a few more people talked turkey on TA.

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  • Message 7

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    Posted by little-dorrit (U13785904) on Monday, 2nd July 2012

    And a definite flounce with clipping heels....

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  • Message 8

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    Posted by ScrumpyJock (U15033575) on Monday, 2nd July 2012

    What was that all about? I found myself mystified as to the level of her anger, unless it was all a reference to David's 'bad decision' to suggest Nigel and he go up on the roof?

    Ditto Jill's very strong reaction. Wasn't Jill herself counselling David in much the same terms as Elizabeth was outlining? i.e. not to give evidence for the family's sake.

    I think it was really Jill's anger at Elizabeth for having cut David off.

    What did everyone else think it was about?

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  • Message 9

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    Posted by GoneAwayForGood (U14551283) on Monday, 2nd July 2012

    I missed that bit! Did Lizzie have a coronary? Worth LAing?

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  • Message 10

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    Posted by toriren (U14736767) on Monday, 2nd July 2012

    "David always makes the wrong decision" (Lizzie)

    True or not? But at least it gets Jill going, at last - well done her, and about time too - Lizzie needs taking out of her isolated tower and start thinking about others. At the beginning of their conversation, she didn't show any compssion at all.

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  • Message 11

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    Posted by typewright (U14048004) on Monday, 2nd July 2012

    Maybe Jill was fed up with the Lizard's sniping at David. That's how I interpreted it.

    Sadly, no coronary.

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  • Message 12

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    Posted by fabsupergran (U11440988) on Monday, 2nd July 2012

    What was that all about? I found myself mystified as to the level of her anger, unless it was all a reference to David's 'bad decision' to suggest Nigel and he go up on the roof?

    Ditto Jill's very strong reaction. Wasn't Jill herself counselling David in much the same terms as Elizabeth was outlining? i.e. not to give evidence for the family's sake.

    I think it was really Jill's anger at Elizabeth for having cut David off.

    What did everyone else think it was about? 
    Have always thought that Elizabeth has been spoilt all her life firstly by her parents and then by Nigel.

    She is a nasty piece of work if you ask me and anyone who stands up to her is great in my book ! Well done the Jill !

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  • Message 13

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    Posted by Mieteka (U14938651) on Monday, 2nd July 2012

    Elizabeth is a spoiled brat and it was wonderful to hear Jill telling her off. Let's hope this continues

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  • Message 14

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    Posted by story fairy (U3947895) on Monday, 2nd July 2012

    The entire family pussy-footed around Elizabeth during her hysterical reaction to David and Nigel on the roof because they were afraid of upsetting her in her widowhood. They knew full well that they were pussy-footing, but didn't know how else to handle her.

    On this issue, David's decision is nothing whatsoever to do with Elizabeth and so Jill finally has no qualms about sticking up for him.

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  • Message 15

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    Posted by GoneAwayForGood (U14551283) on Monday, 2nd July 2012

    Lizzie needs taking out of her isolated tower and start thinking about others. At the beginning of their conversation, she didn't show any compssion at all.  Well, there's a first time for everything. At least Lizzie's character hasn't been subjected to an improbable change yet.

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  • Message 16

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    Posted by joanhood (U14675750) on Monday, 2nd July 2012

    Mind you Jill is sniping at them all at the moment ,except Shula but thats because she's not there to snipe at! It's part of the character change in Jill who used to be reasonable and conciliatory, not indulgent and confrontational.

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  • Message 17

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    Posted by irene (U14262395) on Monday, 2nd July 2012

    yes at least lizzie is consistent. she's always put david down, so her 'well he always make the wrong decision' was par for the course. ghastly baggage. i loved hearing that petulance in her voice after jill told her off. marvellous!

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  • Message 18

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    Posted by teddyandgypsy (U14935190) on Monday, 2nd July 2012

    ...and of course the Chef in the Orangery wouldn't mind at all having half his carefully calculated stock purloined.

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  • Message 19

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    Posted by Dragonfly (U2223700) on Monday, 2nd July 2012

    What was that all about? I found myself mystified as to the level of her anger, unless it was all a reference to David's 'bad decision' to suggest Nigel and he go up on the roof?

    Ditto Jill's very strong reaction. Wasn't Jill herself counselling David in much the same terms as Elizabeth was outlining? i.e. not to give evidence for the family's sake.

    I think it was really Jill's anger at Elizabeth for having cut David off.

    What did everyone else think it was about? 


    Definitely a reaction to Elizabeth's snide remark about David always making the wrong decision. Good for Jill!

    And how wonderful to hear Elizabeth again - I'd rather hear a minute of Elizabeth on form than 1000 minutes of one of the interchangeable teenagers.

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  • Message 20

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    Posted by Ginslinger Redux (U14830013) on Monday, 2nd July 2012

    Jill has spoken sharply to Elizabeth in the past - notabley when she told her Ruth had cancer so could she (Elizabeth) think about someone else for a change. I think Jill has got sharper since Phil died because she has lost her sounding board and sometimes if you can having a bit of a moan or expressing your irritation or frustration to a third party gets it out of your system or helps you put things in perspective. So Adam and Ian had a okle about Lynda and maybe will be able to put up with her in the flesh better.

    I think Jill was really annoyed about Lizzie having cut David. She may not agree with David but she isn't going to be that disloyal.

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  • Message 21

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Monday, 2nd July 2012

    She's been honing for a slap-down for about forty years, so I am glad she got given one at last.

    Though I think Jill has form, because didn't she tell Elizabeth to stop thinking about herself for a change when Elizabeth was going on and on and ON at David and Ruth about her right to inherit Brookfield, and Ruth had cancer?

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  • Message 22

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Monday, 2nd July 2012

    Beat me to it, Ginners!

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  • Message 23

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    Posted by Athena Ergane (U14927530) on Monday, 2nd July 2012

    What was that all about? I found myself mystified as to the level of her anger, unless it was all a reference to David's 'bad decision' to suggest Nigel and he go up on the roof?

    Ditto Jill's very strong reaction. Wasn't Jill herself counselling David in much the same terms as Elizabeth was outlining? i.e. not to give evidence for the family's sake.

    I think it was really Jill's anger at Elizabeth for having cut David off.

    What did everyone else think it was about? 
    I wondered if it was supposed to show that Jill herself was aware (in spite of telling David he had to put his family first) that it wasn't a straightforward decision.

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  • Message 24

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    Posted by ScrumpyJock (U15033575) on Monday, 2nd July 2012

    Jill has spoken sharply to Elizabeth in the past - notabley when she told her Ruth had cancer so could she (Elizabeth) think about someone else for a change. I think Jill has got sharper since Phil died because she has lost her sounding board and sometimes if you can having a bit of a moan or expressing your irritation or frustration to a third party gets it out of your system or helps you put things in perspective. So Adam and Ian had a okle about Lynda and maybe will be able to put up with her in the flesh better.

    I think Jill was really annoyed about Lizzie having cut David. She may not agree with David but she isn't going to be that disloyal.  
    I think I'm with Ginners and Chris on this. Her loyalty to David and simmering annoyance about Elizabeth's claiming of immaculate high ground re the fall-out from SATTC being the driving force of that little confrontation.

    More please!

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  • Message 25

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    Posted by Pahnda (U14681704) on Monday, 2nd July 2012

    Although, I thought Jill was particularly manic tonight.

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  • Message 26

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    Posted by snarklehound (U15065053) on Monday, 2nd July 2012

    She was watering that egg-plant outside the Post Office. Probably short-circuited.

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  • Message 27

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    Posted by JoinedPeetsBoard_Smeesues_too (U14519481) on Monday, 2nd July 2012

    Maybe Jill was fed up with the Lizard's sniping at David. That's how I interpreted it.

    Sadly, no coronary. 
    I thought that too - it was Lizzie's tone of voice. Anyone would have reacted!
    JPBS

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  • Message 28

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    Posted by clancy_wiggum (U10030193) on Monday, 2nd July 2012

    Those cakes must be made with very bitter oranges.

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  • Message 29

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    Posted by Ginslinger Redux (U14830013) on Monday, 2nd July 2012

    Well to borrow from the Big Bang Theory, by criticising David, Elizabeth violated her own paradigm that David doesn't exist so she had it coming....

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  • Message 30

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    Posted by GoneAwayForGood (U14551283) on Monday, 2nd July 2012

    Jill has spoken sharply to Elizabeth in the past - notabley when she told her Ruth had cancer so could she (Elizabeth) think about someone else for a change. I think Jill has got sharper since Phil died because she has lost her sounding board and sometimes if you can having a bit of a moan or expressing your irritation or frustration to a third party gets it out of your system or helps you put things in perspective. So Adam and Ian had a okle about Lynda and maybe will be able to put up with her in the flesh better.

    I think Jill was really annoyed about Lizzie having cut David. She may not agree with David but she isn't going to be that disloyal.  
    I like your analysis, GR, and it is good to hear two old-handers behaving in character.

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  • Message 31

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    Posted by Connie (U15016189) on Tuesday, 3rd July 2012

    She's been honing for a slap-down for about forty years, so I am glad she got given one at last.

    Though I think Jill has form, because didn't she tell Elizabeth to stop thinking about herself for a change when Elizabeth was going on and on and ON at David and Ruth about her right to inherit Brookfield, and Ruth had cancer? 

    Oh yes, she was in cohorts with the equally grabbing Kenton who'd squandered his 50 grand and as usual wanted a piece of a lot more. At least he hasn't changed.

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  • Message 32

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    Posted by Rhona D aka Meen Bonkers (U219830) on Tuesday, 3rd July 2012

    I quite like the "interchangeable teenagers", Draggers; but Jill ticking off Elizabeth was a corker.

    Elizabeth on form is also one of my favourite things.

    I don't know about Jill, but when people say "always" about someone, it really ticks me off - most of the time, it's simply not true.

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  • Message 33

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    Posted by Elnora Cornstalk (U5646495) on Tuesday, 3rd July 2012

    I agree that Jill seems snippier since Phil's death - though she's always spoken out when it really mattered to her; and her cackling Snow-White villain was a bit of astute casting ... But I think Phil wasn't so much a sounding-board as a kind of polystyrene barrier, at least sometimes. Jill couldn't give full vent to malevolent feelings, as she always had to be the sweet woman who followed the angel Grace.

    She'd resort, instead, to little digs, micro-sulks, and mutterings. She was endlessly agitated by Phil's more musical admirers (Valma and his organ .... Heatherpet, Oklahoma, and the marmalade), but couldn't launch a full-out attack. When she knew Phil agreed (as over Lynda), she'd let herself be a bit nastier.

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  • Message 34

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    Posted by siriol (U14748387) on Tuesday, 3rd July 2012

    Great to hear a scene with Jill and Lizzie,particularly one where Lizzie gets put in her place. For me, Jill could have gone further and told Lizzie that it's time the rift with her brother was sorted out. I think Jill has been far too restrained and understanding about what's happened.

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  • Message 35

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    Posted by RAFromSw (U14574822) on Tuesday, 3rd July 2012

    Just tuned in,
    Did I just hear Jill snipe at the Lizard? 

    Agree with all the above, I particularly enjoy Jill's transition through Phil's death into the family matriarch who addrees family issues without fear. More of it I hope - it might be good if she'd been a bit firmer with Kenton over the years though.

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  • Message 36

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    Posted by Ginslinger Redux (U14830013) on Tuesday, 3rd July 2012

    Ah that is interesting - I suspect you may have been listening longer than I have. I do remember he being a bit jealous of Heather and very clearly the incidence with Elizabeth, I think a lot of characters have changed but Jill is basically the same but unbuffered by Phil's calm.

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  • Message 37

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    Posted by Sixties Relic SAVE ML (U13777237) on Tuesday, 3rd July 2012

    David makes wrong decisions?

    Jill should have replied;

    "A bit like Nigel, then."


    I've never really understood why Lizzie can't see that Nigel was at least 50% responsible for that trip to the roof.



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  • Message 38

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    Posted by Elnora Cornstalk (U5646495) on Tuesday, 3rd July 2012

    << Jill is basically the same but unbuffered by Phil's calm. >>

    'unbuffered' - perfect, Ginslinger! I was looking for the word and it escaped me. Now Phil's gone, Jill still has potential as a character; and I hope she lives to be a hundred and the SWs make the most of her. They got rid of Mark to give Shula better SLs, but ruined her by turning her into a sanctimonious bore. Jill deserves better.

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  • Message 39

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    Posted by irene (U14262395) on Tuesday, 3rd July 2012

    she was certainbly unbuffered when she started crawling commando- like (as in like a commando , not a reference to undercrackers, thank you) about lyndas garden, checking the size of her courgettes. i like jill when she goes utterly weird..

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  • Message 40

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    Posted by Blondie21 (U2249148) on Tuesday, 3rd July 2012

    Does Elizabeth in her self-imposed exile know that this is all in connection with the attack on Adam? Or does she think that this is all an over reaction from David re 'vandalism'? I thought Jill was so cross as Elisabeth had jumped to not-so-nice conclusions without knowing the full story....didn't Jill say something like it is more complicated than you know?

    I am confused now!

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  • Message 41

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    Posted by irene (U14262395) on Tuesday, 3rd July 2012

    yes me too, blondie. we didnt hear lizzie or shula being told. which i assume was done by jill. so maybe she just told them about ' vandalism', but not why?

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  • Message 42

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    Posted by irene (U14262395) on Tuesday, 3rd July 2012

    well i just heard it again. lizzie made ref to em and children taking refuge at susan and neils house. so does she know about the threats and deliberate sabotage etc. or not? if she does, what is 'not as black and white as that?

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  • Message 43

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Tuesday, 3rd July 2012

    I don't think the editorial team know that either, do they?

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  • Message 44

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    Posted by JoinedPeetsBoard_Smeesues_too (U14519481) on Tuesday, 3rd July 2012

    Am confused about this -I thought Em knew about the intimidation at the time of the Bullock stampede (ie afterwards)?

    I was puzzled a few days ago when she appeared not to have known about it and was then outraged (rightly).
    JPBS

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  • Message 45

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Tuesday, 3rd July 2012

    Emma did know that there had been threats. She didn't want to leave George with Ed in that dangerous place, but in the end wanted to go out with her baby and her dad more than she was worried about her son.

    Carole Simpson Solazzo wrote Farm Sunday, and also wrote this Sunday, so what she is playing at I cannot imagine. They are not that far apart!

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  • Message 46

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    Posted by Dinah Shore (U14984316) on Tuesday, 3rd July 2012

    Am confused about this -I thought Em knew about the intimidation at the time of the Bullock stampede (ie afterwards)?

    I was puzzled a few days ago when she appeared not to have known about it and was then outraged (rightly). 
    Emma did know, but perhaps this week's scriptie doesn't know that Emma knows?

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  • Message 47

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    Posted by Dinah Shore (U14984316) on Tuesday, 3rd July 2012

    Yes, who told Lizzie about Emma "taking refuge" at Neil's house?

    Can't have been that rat, Pip, cos she deserted the stinking Loxley to be a Burger-mistress.

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  • Message 48

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    Posted by Ginslinger Redux (U14830013) on Tuesday, 3rd July 2012

    She also referred to David giving evidence so she does know it isn't just vandalism. Don't you love the way that poor old lucky to be alive Adam is concerned about Ruth and David because they are family but Jill, Elizabeth who are his family don't give a toss about those who harmed him being brought to justice.

    I wish David would have a word with Aunty Chris. I bet she has strong feelings about violent Criminals being behind bars and I bet she cares about Adam seeing as she gave him and Jennifer a home when he was a little boy and he is the same age as her Peter. David has always seemed fond of her too.

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  • Message 49

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    Posted by BlackSheepBoy (U11150138) on Tuesday, 3rd July 2012

    I think it was time for someone to risk saying something unpleasent to Elizabeth; she has been wrapeed in cotton wool for long enough.

    But it would then have become the decent thing for Jill to pay for her Orangery afternoon tea, and her Orangery takeaways.

    It's all very well to say sharp words to someone, but impolite on their property, and I think just going too far when eating at their table at their expense.

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  • Message 50

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    Posted by Ginslinger Redux (U14830013) on Tuesday, 3rd July 2012

    Well presumably Elizabeth suggested the Orangery so save herself the bother or making her mother tea... since it is her own cafe I think it would have upped the ante if Jill had shoved a fiver on the table and said that will pay for my tea and stuff the cakes.. since the cakes were for a community thing I think it is ok for Jill to tale them but she may not have.

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