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  • Message 1. 

    Posted by binocular (U10832169) on Thursday, 28th June 2012

    Bapper gets my vote. Horrible woman.

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    Posted by Kentish_Woman (U13711572) on Thursday, 28th June 2012

    Bapper gets my vote. Horrible woman.  Agreed. Vicki seems tactless, but her mistakes are done to over enthusiasm as much as anything else. Brenda has this permanent air of having-been-hard-done-by. Given how she has squandered every opportunity that has come her way, I expect her resentment to increase, and she will be a thoroughly bitter specimen in later life.

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    Posted by binocular (U10832169) on Thursday, 28th June 2012

    Vicky's mistake was caused by over excitement. Carried away by the moment.

    What's Bappers problem?

    It's TOM. I'd wanna hit someone if he was mine.

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    Posted by Dora Pandle (U14741938) on Thursday, 28th June 2012

    I dislike Vicky so much there's no contest.

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    Posted by boxoffrogs (U15134166) on Thursday, 28th June 2012



    I too.

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    Posted by Polly Tunnel (U1530077) on Thursday, 28th June 2012

    Brenda acts with malice aforethought whereas Vicky is mostly harmless so Brenda is definately the least pleasant of the two.

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    Posted by Dora Pandle (U14741938) on Thursday, 28th June 2012

    Personally, I perceive far more malice in Vicky. Thinly disguised by a layer of syrup.

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    Posted by Ginslinger Redux (U14830013) on Thursday, 28th June 2012

    Brenda was right though to point out that Vicky shouldn't make promises she can't keep (let alone decide how everyone should spend their holiday unilaterally. Nor should she volunteer Brenda to do stuff when she does have a job and a thirty year old toddler to look after,

    I am beginning to think Vicky is a compulsive liar - first claiming to have had a Jason Donovan crush (which is prolly more Hayley's age group) then that they got up a coach trip to Wimbledon from work - must have been quite a sizeable practice and were they all going to queue or were they rich enough for debenture tickets/corporate? Most of the tickets are distrubuted in pairs via ballot or through the tennis clubs....

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    Posted by Angela Stepney (U15123321) on Thursday, 28th June 2012

    Yes definitely, Brenda is basically jealous of Vicky so she picks her up on everything, she should just get on with her own life and keep out of Mike and Vicky's!

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    Posted by DracoM1 (U14252039) on Thursday, 28th June 2012

    Bullying, trampling, trumpeting, deaf, self-deluding Vicky is any family's nightmare incomer.

    Loathe her and everything she stands for.

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    Posted by DestinationFreedom (U3119518) on Thursday, 28th June 2012

    Oh yes, I agree with this. Vickoi's full-on joviality always carries an undertone of aggression to my ear. Having said that, I'd shut the Bapper in a spiked barrel along with Vicki and roll them down Lakey Hill if I had my way.

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    Posted by docklie (U7802187) on Thursday, 28th June 2012

    "Loathe her and everything she stands for".

    I honestly wish I knew what Vicky stands for . I hate Lynda but at least I know what she stands for. I can't really define Vicky for some reason.

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    Posted by charmingAnnielynn (U11952070) on Thursday, 28th June 2012

    I take a dim view of my mother's habit of trying to browbeat me into doing what she "knows" will make me happy, regardless of what I tell her I actually want to do, so I have to side against Brenda in this. If Mike says he's okay with the stuff Vicky does, then he's the authority on it, and she should believe him. Her father is a grown man and capable of saying no to his wife if he wants to, and since her sole evidence of Vicky's evilness is that once in a while Mike doesn't seem so enthusiastic about his wife's ideas, I think she should just butt out of their marriage. Perhaps there are times that Brenda doesn't see (and she's not around their house all that often, really) where Vicky agrees to give up her plans and do what Mike wants, instead.

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    Posted by Redbookish (U1335018) on Thursday, 28th June 2012

    Personally, I perceive far more malice in Vicky. Thinly disguised by a layer of syrup.  Yup. Plus stupidity. You do NOT promise a child an expensive holiday, unless you're the one with the credit card that's paying for it. anyone knows that.

    And oh my god, why a "holiday park"? Can't think of anything more ghastly, but I suppose Vicky would be among her own kind, those of limited horizons who can't think of a better sort of holiday.

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    Posted by Auntie Molly (U14110968) on Thursday, 28th June 2012

    Vicky had no business being so cavalier with Mike's money when he wasn't even there.

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    Posted by Auntie Molly (U14110968) on Thursday, 28th June 2012

    And re holiday parks she was probably thinking of Center Parcs, but of course they are not allowed to mention brand names.

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Thursday, 28th June 2012

    Cavalier with Mike's money and cavalier with Brenda's time, in each case in the surrogate's absence.

    My feeling is that "give away what you own yourself if you want to, but don't give away what isn't yours" is a good rule in life.

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    Posted by cath (U2234232) on Thursday, 28th June 2012

    Personally, I perceive far more malice in Vicky. Thinly disguised by a layer of syrup.  Yup. Plus stupidity. You do NOT promise a child an expensive holiday, unless you're the one with the credit card that's paying for it. anyone knows that.

    And oh my god, why a "holiday park"? Can't think of anything more ghastly, but I suppose Vicky would be among her own kind, those of limited horizons who can't think of a better sort of holiday. 


    >And oh my god, why a "holiday park"? Can't think of anything more ghastly, but I suppose Vicky would be among her own kind, those of limited horizons who can't think of a better sort of holiday<

    It's hard to know where to start, this remark reeks of so much unpleasant snobbery.

    Interesting that when Vicky dreams of going on a tour of the Canadian Rockies she's disparaged for being too uppity and when she suggests a family holiday suitable for all ages of an extended family from 2 - 60 she's "among her own kind".

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  • Message 19

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    Posted by returnmigration (U14260026) on Thursday, 28th June 2012



    Lets face it, Butlins would be a total come-down after South Africa, Game Parks and Kate spending heaps of money on every treat known to man.

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    Posted by Auntie Molly (U14110968) on Thursday, 28th June 2012

    Personally, I perceive far more malice in Vicky. Thinly disguised by a layer of syrup.  Yup. Plus stupidity. You do NOT promise a child an expensive holiday, unless you're the one with the credit card that's paying for it. anyone knows that.

    And oh my god, why a "holiday park"? Can't think of anything more ghastly, but I suppose Vicky would be among her own kind, those of limited horizons who can't think of a better sort of holiday. 


    >And oh my god, why a "holiday park"? Can't think of anything more ghastly, but I suppose Vicky would be among her own kind, those of limited horizons who can't think of a better sort of holiday<

    It's hard to know where to start, this remark reeks of so much unpleasant snobbery.

    Interesting that when Vicky dreams of going on a tour of the Canadian Rockies she's disparaged for being too uppity and when she suggests a family holiday suitable for all ages of an extended family from 2 - 60 she's "among her own kind".  
    I don't remember anyone disparaging Vicky for being "uppity" re the Canadian Rockies trip. people were just wondering where she thought the money was going to come from. Not the same thing IMO.

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    Posted by Auntie Molly (U14110968) on Thursday, 28th June 2012

    Brenda was right though to point out that Vicky shouldn't make promises she can't keep (let alone decide how everyone should spend their holiday unilaterally. Nor should she volunteer Brenda to do stuff when she does have a job and a thirty year old toddler to look after,

    I am beginning to think Vicky is a compulsive liar - first claiming to have had a Jason Donovan crush (which is prolly more Hayley's age group) then that they got up a coach trip to Wimbledon from work - must have been quite a sizeable practice and were they all going to queue or were they rich enough for debenture tickets/corporate? Most of the tickets are distrubuted in pairs via ballot or through the tennis clubs.... 
    There can't be more than about 10 of them in the practice including the dentists. Minibus for 10 people to Wimbledon would be quite expensive I would have thought.

    or does she actually work at the dental hospital on the large campus of Felpersham University Hospital?

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    Posted by cath (U2234232) on Thursday, 28th June 2012

    >I don't remember anyone disparaging Vicky for being "uppity" re the Canadian Rockies trip. people were just wondering where she thought the money was going to come from.<

    Really? I remember lots of wailing about how dared she consider going on a holiday when all Mike would want to do would be to stay at home, how dared she imagine she'd get enough time to go on such a holiday and reminiscences about Mike taking Vicky to Brittany instead of Barbados with much sniggering about how it served her right.

    That all felt to me like criticism of her being uppity for even daring to think of an exotic holiday.

    And here we are condemning her for lack of imagination for suggesting going to Center Parcs* "among her own kind".

    Priceless.

    *and even if it were Butlins or Pontins, then so what. They're good places for families with children and not much money who want a break.

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    Posted by cath (U2234232) on Thursday, 28th June 2012

    >There can't be more than about 10 of them in the practice including the dentists. Minibus for 10 people to Wimbledon would be quite expensive I would have thought.<

    When I've been around people organising that sort of trip friends and family also go.

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    Posted by DracoM1 (U14252039) on Thursday, 28th June 2012

    But if you were Phoebe, returning form SA, and found yourself swept off the plane, saw the brothel-tricked out 'surprise' bedroom they'd made you, and then into a family party to Centre Parcs in Sherwood Forest with Vicky, Hayley, Roy, Brenda, Tom, and Mike, Amber, how would *you* feel?

    I'd suggest suicidal?

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    Posted by cath (U2234232) on Thursday, 28th June 2012

    Oh I'm sure Feebs, after a year's indoctrination by Kate, will look down her nose at her common-as-muck stepmother and her common-as-muck step grandmother and after giving them each a tea towel will want to run back to her nicely spoken, educated, enlightened and well-travelled mother as fast as she can.

    They'll be well rid of her.

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    Posted by Auntie Molly (U14110968) on Thursday, 28th June 2012

    >I don't remember anyone disparaging Vicky for being "uppity" re the Canadian Rockies trip. people were just wondering where she thought the money was going to come from.<

    Really? I remember lots of wailing about how dared she consider going on a holiday when all Mike would want to do would be to stay at home, how dared she imagine she'd get enough time to go on such a holiday and reminiscences about Mike taking Vicky to Brittany instead of Barbados with much sniggering about how it served her right.

    That all felt to me like criticism of her being uppity for even daring to think of an exotic holiday.

    And here we are condemning her for lack of imagination for suggesting going to Center Parcs* "among her own kind".

    Priceless.

    *and even if it were Butlins or Pontins, then so what. They're good places for families with children and not much money who want a break.  
    One thing I do know Old Cath is that I wouldn't dream of being so cavalier with my husband's money, when he wasn't even there, as Vicky was tonight. Would you?

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  • Message 27

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    Posted by Dailyfix (U14602649) on Thursday, 28th June 2012

    I agree with you I think a lot of the hostility to Vicky is because she is annoying I can't think of her ever doing anything malicious to anyone quite the opposite. If my widowed Dad took up with someone like Vicky I would grit my teeth because if she made him happy it would be the right thing to do. Like Mke, my Dad is of sound mind and financially literate so it would be none of my business how they spent their money if they married. After all I remember "all my worldly goods I with thee share" being part of my marriage vows.
    Brenda is totally out of order in her attitude to Vicky good for Roy for calling her out on it IMO. I agree with other posters that her strength of feeling is driven by her own failures and disappointment with her life.

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    Posted by Ginslinger Redux (U14830013) on Friday, 29th June 2012

    Well yes but she did say coach trip so it would have to be a lot of F&F and I still can't see how they would get tickets unless it was for when they played Davis cup at Wimby

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    Posted by SredniVashtar07 (U9755761) on Friday, 29th June 2012

    Bapper gets my vote. Horrible woman.  Vicky by a country mile the only characters worse than her are the Snell woman and the Dopeys !

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  • Message 30

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    Posted by Dee (U3082905) on Friday, 29th June 2012

    I don't know why people think that Butilins, Potins andthe like are so cheap. A middle range self catering apartment in high season is around £1200 and although there may well be free children's clubs & evening entertainment, may of the activities are at additional cost as is additional housekeeping, linen, towels etc. Unless Vicky has been saving newspaper vouchers, a UK holiday park isn't a partucularly cheap option.

    I always saw Centre Parcs as a slightly more up-market choice (certainly was marketed that way inthe begining) in that genre. At £600 - £1600 for a three day weekend, plus the obligatory (unless you take your own) cycle hire at £17 a throw and a not inconsiderable cost for all activities (except, I think, the pool which is included - please correct me if I'm wrong), it certainly isn't open to people on minimum wage or relying on benefits.

    I cannot underrstand allthose who suggest that Vicky shouldn't sepnd "Mike's money" They are married, they share. OH & I have been married over 30 years & I have never considered that we have separate money funds. Sometimes he has been the main breadwinner & sometimes I have but it has never occured to me that I spend "his" money or that he spends mine. I know some couples do keep separate fiscal arrangements and that works for them. That's great too but I think more people of Vicky's & Mike's vintage probably have an "what is mine is yours" ethos.

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    Posted by Auntie Molly (U14110968) on Friday, 29th June 2012

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    Vicky didn't say "I'm sure we can help you out with the cost"she said "I'm sure Mike will help you out with the cost". She sees him as a wallet on legs and has no qualms about playing Lady Bountiful with his money.

    I'm sure that most couples with shared financial arrangements consult each other before making arrangements to spend a considerable sum of money -unless they are so wealthy that a couple of thousand quid is neither here nor there.

    In any case Roy and Hayley between them are very well paid. Once Mike and Vicky are retired Roy and Hayley will be better off than they are.

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    Posted by Dee (U3082905) on Friday, 29th June 2012

    Ok fair enough - quite right. Neither of us would dream of spending more than, say about a hundred quid without consulting the other.

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    Posted by maggiesaes (U2771771) on Friday, 29th June 2012

    Vicky hasn't stopped to think that Roy and Hayley and Abi might like some time alone with Phoebe after she's been away for so long,some holiday quality time together again as a family to get Phoebe settled back in to family life.

    In with both feet,Mike will pay-she is a dreadful woman and this is typical of her blunderbus behaviour.
    for me sha has no saving graces at all she's alwasy run roughshod over everyone and their feelings although she does where slippers where Mike is concerend.

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    Posted by cherrytree (U9175528) on Friday, 29th June 2012

    And Brenda had even less business interfering.

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    Posted by Ginslinger Redux (U14830013) on Friday, 29th June 2012

    I dont' know - I always think that on the Archers there is too little of that kind of comment that is quite normal in families (or mine anyway). They too often seem to pussy foot around each other - Pat and Jennifer particulary because they are terrified of losing their children are the worst offenders.

    Actually at that moment I think what Brenda wanted to say was that she didn't want to go on a group holiday at a place of Vicki's choosing. I also wonder if Roy and Hayley querying the cost was the same.. they are pretty well off really but I bet they would prefer to reestablish their family unit . Vicky really does just trample over everyone.

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    Posted by Kentish_Woman (U13711572) on Friday, 29th June 2012

    'Brenda is totally out of order in her attitude to Vicky good for Roy for calling her out on it IMO. I agree with other posters that her strength of feeling is driven by her own failures and disappointment with her life.'

    However gallumphing Vicki may be, she and Mike do actually seem to be happy together, which is the main thing. Brenda would have preferred her father to have remained lonely and miserable - like her.

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    Posted by Auntie Molly (U14110968) on Friday, 29th June 2012

    I dont' know - I always think that on the Archers there is too little of that kind of comment that is quite normal in families (or mine anyway). They too often seem to pussy foot around each other - Pat and Jennifer particulary because they are terrified of losing their children are the worst offenders. 

    Well quite – if I’d suggested in my OH's absence a family holiday and suggested he'd help pay for other family members, I’m pretty sure someone would have said “don’t you think you’d better ask him first?” Nothing to do with interfering in our marriage!

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    Posted by anna kist (U2314477) on Friday, 29th June 2012

    Vile Vicky every time. Although I haven't much time for Bren either.

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    Posted by anna kist (U2314477) on Friday, 29th June 2012

    Personally, I perceive far more malice in Vicky. Thinly disguised by a layer of syrup.  Exactly, Dora.

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    Posted by DracoM1 (U14252039) on Friday, 29th June 2012

    But nothing gives Vicky the right to presume to engage the rest of the family in a holiday of her choosing, on Mike's real or imaginary money.

    I mean, people, imagine it - hearing this gushy, trumpeting trampling incomer into your family assuming that, because SHE has thought of it, it is a done deal that your whole family, will they, nill they, are to have a fun time all together on a jolly week in Centre Parcs or anywhere.

    Yes, she and Mike may indeed be made for each other, but that just does not give her the right to legislate for the entire family as to what they ALL do together. This is the same Vicky who high-handedly and IMO unforgivably dismembered Brenda's Graduation Day, and tried to stamp all over Ed on veal / herds etc etc.

    She is a monster of egotism, arrogating to herself functions and rights that she just does not have. Brenda IMO has every right to be aghast at having her life, her skills, her time appropriated by this Giant Pink Mindless Amoeba.

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    Posted by superconnected (U4605904) on Friday, 29th June 2012

    Poor Vicki. When she first arrived I couldn't stand her but I've warmed to her now. She's over enthusiastic and impetuous but I believe she means well. Brenda OTOH is a self absorbed little madam who wouldn't p**s on you if you were on fire.

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    Posted by Ginslinger Redux (U14830013) on Friday, 29th June 2012

    Vicky is self absorbed to it is manifested by making everyone do what you want which to me is worse than trying not to take any notice of them. While I don't like what they have done with Brenda, I do think she has a point. Vicky does seem to think Mike is made of money and since she married him she instantly cut down her hours to less than half, and sold her flat at the bottom of the market (instead of letting it which should have covered the mortgage and provided a longterm income source for her if she did want to stop work when Mike retired).

    Roy of course is in a different situation. He had a massive handout when he got more than half of Willow Farm and another when Vicky offered free childcare. Vicky also didn't take over his engagement/graduation after havign met him twice.

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    Posted by anna kist (U2314477) on Friday, 29th June 2012

    It is the opposite for me. I wanted to like her and thought she might be a breath of fresh air in fusty old ambridge but she is awful. Would hate to know her irl.

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    Posted by Lakey_Hill (U14391672) on Friday, 29th June 2012

    To go from Betty to Vicky is a huge adjustment, and I can quite understand Brenda finding it very difficult to see how Mike could follow the one with the other. I can see why she thinks that Mike might have married in haste and will repent at leisure, and why she thinks that Vicky might be a gold-digger, or at least cavalier with Mike's money. Personally, I cannot stand Vicky, and I don't think that she is merely thoughtless.

    I couldn't bear the scene with her and Hayley shopping for Phoebe's bedroom. Why does she think that a 15 year old will want a family holiday at a holiday park, even if it is Centre Parcs, rather than Butlins?

    Brenda is a moaner, and I find her career and partner choices quite incomprehensible, but I can at least listen to her without wanting to hit the Off button straight away ...

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    Posted by Glebe Cow (U2281862) on Friday, 29th June 2012

    She's deeply stupid and insensitive with a nasty streak, in fact she's Ruth writ large. Her behaviour over "Betty's tree" was inexcusable and her belligerent incomprehension of Ed's needs over her pet calves was the final nail as far as I'm concerned. She's a monster.

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Friday, 29th June 2012

    She's over enthusiastic and impetuous but I believe she means well. 
    People do quite often say that Vicky means well, but I can't quite see it in her behaviour -- or at least, not that she means well for anyone except Vicky, because she never once stops to find out what they might want. She means what she wants for them, and never stops to think that they may be different people and have a dfferent wish from hers about anything.

    If they do express a wish different from hers, she ignores it, as she did with Ed and the veal calves. She wanted it, therefore it was right; meaning well only for herself.

    Impetuous anyway means unthinking, doing things before thinking them through; if she isn't thinking in the first place when she goes off on one of her starts, how can she be thinking about anyone else?

    (Impetuous action is also defined as "rash" in the dicker, which doesn't make it seem a very good idea to me.)

    When thwarted or denied one of her enthusiasms, she can turn very nasty: she was horrible to Mike about his being too tired (after a long day delivering leaflets when he'd got up in the early hours to do the milk-round) to dance well enough to suit her, and the way in which she talked and behaved to Ed when he was no longer prepared to look after seven cattle for her on an indefinitle basis because she couldn't think of anything to do with them was really unpleasant, the sort of thing which if it happens at work ends up being condemned by an industrial tribunal. It was utterly unacceptable, and I was not at all surprised she had told told Mike to go away and leave it to her to talk to Ed: it wasn't that she didn't want him to protect her from unpleasantness, it was that she didn't want any witnesses to her being that unpleasant.

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  • Message 47

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    Posted by cherrytree (U9175528) on Friday, 29th June 2012

    I know of a couple he, a chemist at a local factory with a PhD she a high flying graduate. They had four children. They went to Butlins for a week every year for a rest. They took a huge pile of books to read secure in the knowledge that they could catch up on their reading and the children would be entertained and busy from dawn until bedtime and the parents could recharge their batteries.

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  • Message 48

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    Posted by Dinah Shore (U14984316) on Friday, 29th June 2012

    Who in The Archers does NOT "mean well?"

    Apart from Pip, Brian, Tom, Peggy and Clive, of course.

    They all do their best.

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    Posted by cherrytree (U9175528) on Friday, 29th June 2012

    Does Matt mean well? Or the Chalky I love to hate.

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Friday, 29th June 2012

    Does Kenton mean? I have always had the impression that things simply happen and he follows along, with no intent involved at all good bad or indiff

    Oooh! Look! Shiny!

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