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  • Message 51

    , in reply to message 46.

    Posted by AP (U14268795) on Thursday, 7th June 2012

    I think Amy has been a much loved and cherished well behaved daughter and apart from the tragedy of her mother's death Amy's life has gone smoothly. She achieved what she wanted and had never been thwarted, now she cannot get her own way and she cannot believe she is in any way responsible and is lashing out at the only person she feels can reject.

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  • Message 52

    , in reply to message 9.

    Posted by nesta vipers (U2256451) on Thursday, 7th June 2012


    Go Alan - Go Alan !!

    Yes Yes Yes ! 
    TVOA's very best moment - good stuff at last

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  • Message 53

    , in reply to message 41.

    Posted by fabsupergran (U11440988) on Thursday, 7th June 2012

    It is clear that Usha has turned Alan against his daughter, he would never have spoken like that to her before. Interestingly though Amy was strangely reluctant to tell her father what she had said and gave him a slightly abridged version.
     
    'slightly abridged ??? I'd say hugely abridged missing out the unkindest bit about Usha being childless is pretty major I would say.

    But then she has not told the whole truth to Alice or her Father from the start.

    I think he would be even more appalled to know that his daughter on finding out that Carl could be married virtually dismissed this information as not being relevent proving that Usha was right in her assumption all along.

    Usha hasnt done anything to turn Alan against his daughter she didnt need any help - shes done it for herself.

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  • Message 54

    , in reply to message 46.

    Posted by Roots (U2273958) on Thursday, 7th June 2012

    although I am really enjoying this story, it does feel odd somehow. When Amy and Alan first arrived, they seemed a happy pair. He seemed to be doing a great job as a widowed dad. Amy seemed a well adjusted teenager, fond of her dad, sensible. This behaviour does seem out of character. strange.  It doesn't seem odd or out of character to me. Alan and Amy were very close, and Alan had done a good job bringing up Amy by himself, but he fell in love with Usha and they married, and up till recently Usha had done well at getting on with Amy, which would have been important to her because she knew Amy was really important to him. And Amy got on well with her.

    What went wrong? Amy blames Usha for her split with Carl and has convinced herself that somehow it's all Usha's fault.

    Given her determination not to believe Alice, who she supposedly trusts more than Usha, why hasn't she phoned Carl to check the facts for herself? Perhaps because it's easier to blame Usha than admit Carl was a waste of space and used her?

    I feel sorry for Alan, tbh. I think he's really shocked by Amy's behaviour and spite. I don't think he would ever ask her to leave, but things have broken down now, and things have been said, which an apology isn't going to mend.

    If Amy does move out, (and please, don't let her move in with Alice and Chris and wreck another happy marriage), she won't do it because she needs space, but in her mind it will be that Usha has driven her out of her own home.

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  • Message 55

    , in reply to message 54.

    Posted by Elasticwoman (U14774739) on Thursday, 7th June 2012

    Good post, Roots.

    One doesn't throw a child out, even a grown up child, just for being spiteful. Amy is behaving badly but she hasn't resorted to physical violence, theft or prostitution at home. Let's keep a sense of proportion.

    Lots of us don't like Amy now that she's being a pain. But we're not her parents. Throwing your child out is a very serious action to take.

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  • Message 56

    , in reply to message 55.

    Posted by Connie (U15016189) on Thursday, 7th June 2012

    Penny drops...but still no change I'll wager.

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  • Message 57

    , in reply to message 54.

    Posted by JoinedPeetsBoard_Smeesues_too (U14519481) on Thursday, 7th June 2012

    Oh yes "it will be all Usha's fault " no doubt (I think the previous poster who said that was being ironic!)

    We are supposed to infer that the shock of finding out her mothers past has unhinged her - she has lost herself esteem**.

    Really the reverse should be the case - given what her mother had to come back from - Amy's problems have been very trivial. Instead of thinking she inherited her mothers anger she should consider her mothers courage and tenacity.
    JPBS
    **And you need to have listened to AmEx to get the full picture - but even then it doesn't make sense ..

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  • Message 58

    , in reply to message 48.

    Posted by Ginslinger Redux (U14830013) on Thursday, 7th June 2012

    I particularly resent the assumption that childless women are selfish. I selfishly nursed my elderly parents...

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  • Message 59

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    Posted by Ginslinger Redux (U14830013) on Thursday, 7th June 2012

    Hmmm but Amy is no longer a dependent child. She earns enough to live independently without much deprivation,. Not unreasonable to expect a decent standard of behaviour if she chooses to remain at the parental home.

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  • Message 60

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    Posted by AP (U14268795) on Thursday, 7th June 2012

    It was a low blow and I believe a calculated "you are not my mother or any one else's" rejection. Amy so wants to hurt someone doesn't she?

    I had children because I wanted to (and luckily for me could) it was not a selfless choice at all!

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  • Message 61

    , in reply to message 50.

    Posted by Dedan (U14708006) on Thursday, 7th June 2012

    Amy is meant to be a midwife. Would yoy want her helping to deliver your/your wife's/your gilfriend's/daughter's/partner's baby?

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  • Message 62

    , in reply to message 61.

    Posted by Burberry (U14785386) on Thursday, 7th June 2012

    Especially since she can't be trusted to even deliver a message !

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  • Message 63

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    Posted by Ell Kaye (U2222944) on Thursday, 7th June 2012

    It was a low blow and I believe a calculated "you are not my mother or any one else's" rejection. 


    My eight year old son said that to his step mum & we soon put him right...

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  • Message 64

    , in reply to message 61.

    Posted by Roots (U2273958) on Thursday, 7th June 2012

    Amy is a midwife. When I gave birth to my four I didn't cross- examine my midwife as to what her home situation was or about her mental state. You just assume that your midwife will do her job. Otherwise, a hard task would get a lot harder!

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  • Message 65

    , in reply to message 42.

    Posted by Anonymous (U14994586) on Thursday, 7th June 2012

    Amy was strangely reluctant to tell her father what she had said  
    Not strange at all. She was ashamed, once she addressed her nastiness. That was how it sounded, to me. Let's see/hear.
    Soo  
    That's how it sounded to me as well. It sounded exactly like she was remembering what she said, and realising just how hurtful and nasty her remarks were. But that's the thing about words. Once they're said, you can't un-say them. And I predict that Amy will be without friends by the time they finish on Friday.

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  • Message 66

    , in reply to message 64.

    Posted by Ginslinger Redux (U14830013) on Thursday, 7th June 2012

    I can't help wondering how well she is really holding it together at work though. Given how obsessed and irrational she is being I can't imagine it isn't affecting her work..and when your work is potentially life and death,,,

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  • Message 67

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    Posted by chris murray (U3149163) on Thursday, 7th June 2012

    I don't think Amy will move out. I think Usha will decide that she's had enough and she will move out.

    Alan might well make Amy apologise. Why do people always think that making someone apologise will right a wrong? Only a SINCERE apology will do that. I wouldn't want to live with Amy any more.

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  • Message 68

    , in reply to message 67.

    Posted by Ell Kaye (U2222944) on Friday, 8th June 2012

    I don't think Amy will move out. I think Usha will decide that she's had enough and she will move out. 


    Then Blamey & TVOA can cuddle up on the sofa, sucking their thumbs watching Toy Story....shudder.

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  • Message 69

    , in reply to message 67.

    Posted by Colonel Danby (U14472686) on Friday, 8th June 2012

    I've never really been a great fan of Saint Usha or the Reverend Bunter who always seemed too good to be true as a right on Vicar, but I think their treatment at the hands of his daughter has been truly appalling. Blamy is quite out of control, and I fear that something awful will happen.

    I do hope so!

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  • Message 70

    , in reply to message 1.

    Posted by spacebar (U14521761) on Friday, 8th June 2012

    But he's missing all the signals of Amy possibly suffering from acute depression: anger, isolation and increasingly bizarre fantasies of parental persecution and a misunderstood louse. Maybe Alice will be the first to suggest that Amy's behaviour warrants her being steered rapidly towards some sort of mental health professional. A topical and worthwhile SL if ever there was one.

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  • Message 71

    , in reply to message 69.

    Posted by Sally (U15299999) on Friday, 8th June 2012

    Blamy is quite out of control, and I fear that something awful will happen.

    I do hope so! 


    To be honest, I'd settle for her just packing her bags and leaving town, the self-obsessed little madam.

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  • Message 72

    , in reply to message 50.

    Posted by cat_modern (U12813503) on Friday, 8th June 2012

    It will be very hard for Usha to forgive and forget such spite.

    Alan has to be quite clear that not only were Amy's comments totally unacceptable, it is not simply that they went too far and crossed a line. Amy must be told quite clearly that she is utterly in the wrong. Usha is in no way to blame for anything that Carl did to Amy.

    If Amy doesn't accept this, she must leave.

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  • Message 73

    , in reply to message 50.

    Posted by StargazerwithOscar (U14668197) on Friday, 8th June 2012

    I agree with this, but Alice is trying to do it very gently, bearing in mind that Amy is in a strange mental state. People are often like this with friends, I think, whilst being rather more brutal with their families! Alice and Chris should be together on just how much support, especially in a practical sense, they are able and prepared to offer Amy. Because that little madam will have no qualms about coming between them and exploiting any rift she causes.

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  • Message 74

    , in reply to message 2.

    Posted by maggiesaes (U2771771) on Friday, 8th June 2012

    It shocked her didn't it?  Oh yes it did.
    The hurt shocked voice saying 'Daaaaad?'
    LOVELY but not before time so let's get the baggage sorted once and for all the vicious little lady dog.

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  • Message 75

    , in reply to message 70.

    Posted by marg (U14830405) on Friday, 8th June 2012

    I didn't know lice could be misunderstood, I feel guilty that I didn't try to reason with the little B***ers that infested my grandson a few weeks back. They did make him grumpy with all that scratching maybe this is the answer to Amy's unhappyness a bottle of tea tree conditioner and a fine toothcomb-------maybe she will see sense when she realises she caught them from Carl!

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  • Message 76

    , in reply to message 4.

    Posted by SredniVashtar07 (U9755761) on Friday, 8th June 2012

    Yes , tell her to find fresh digs asap !

    Maybe she'll take a leaf out of her delightful sounding mothers book and stick a knife in him or Usha if he starts laying down the law rather than mollycoddling her !



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  • Message 77

    , in reply to message 76.

    Posted by maggiesaes (U2771771) on Friday, 8th June 2012

    Yes , tell her to find fresh digs asap !

    Maybe she'll take a leaf out of her delightful sounding mothers book and stick a knife in him or Usha if he starts laying down the law rather than mollycoddling her !



     
    Well whatever happens she 'll blame her mother,it won't be HER at fault she just had it in her genes.

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  • Message 78

    , in reply to message 77.

    Posted by StargazerwithOscar (U14668197) on Friday, 8th June 2012

    When she's mopping floors in a women's prison somewhere, she'll be telling everyone it's her evil stepmother's fault.

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  • Message 79

    , in reply to message 70.

    Posted by MsMumbo-Jumbo (U3613133) on Friday, 8th June 2012

    But he's missing all the signals of Amy possibly suffering from acute depression: anger, isolation and increasingly bizarre fantasies of parental persecution and a misunderstood louse. Maybe Alice will be the first to suggest that Amy's behaviour warrants her being steered rapidly towards some sort of mental health professional. A topical and worthwhile SL if ever there was one.   She has lice as well????????????
    No wonder Caaahhhrrrrrlllllllll dropped her like a brick.
    MJ

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  • Message 80

    , in reply to message 74.

    Posted by Anna Nimmity (U15271967) on Friday, 8th June 2012

    It shocked her didn't it?  Oh yes it did.
    The hurt shocked voice saying 'Daaaaad?'
    LOVELY but not before time so let's get the baggage sorted once and for all the vicious little lady dog. 
    'Amy goes too far' says the programme header - well, in my mind, Alan didn't go far ENOUGH. But it's a start ...

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  • Message 81

    , in reply to message 79.

    Posted by staircase23 (U10337151) on Friday, 8th June 2012

    I love ML. No typo is left unexplored and each one adds to the background. marg in message 75 has the right idea.

    The misunderstood louse is pretty good, though not quite up to the standard of the llama comings.

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  • Message 82

    , in reply to message 67.

    Posted by nesta vipers (U2256451) on Friday, 8th June 2012

    I think this is the beginning of the end for TVOA.

    I predict he will move to Darrington with his beastly daughter when Usha leaves him. St Stephens will cease operating due to 'the cuts'

    Within a twelve month we will hear of Muslim residents who have long been without a mosque and- well, yes you have guessed the rest

    The sws are not going to let Ambridge remain a rural Anglo Saxon backwater when they can turn into a dormitory town for Birmingham

    And who knows? It might be an improvement!

    Cheers nesta

    PS hello Chris

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  • Message 83

    , in reply to message 81.

    Posted by hiya_loxley (U2274305) on Friday, 8th June 2012

    < I didn't know lice could be misunderstood, I feel guilty that I didn't try to reason with the little B***ers that infested my grandson a few weeks back. They did make him grumpy with all that scratching maybe this is the answer to Amy's unhappyness a bottle of tea tree conditioner and a fine toothcomb-------maybe she will see sense when she realises she caught them from Carl! >

    And I didn't know you could get lice in your teeth!

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  • Message 84

    , in reply to message 58.

    Posted by soobeesomewhere_or_other_soon (U14156736) on Friday, 8th June 2012

    Amy was so far out of line in throwing this insult at Usha that it's hard to imagine that she'll ever be forgiven. It made my jaw drop and, as you say, Gins...
    Soo

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  • Message 85

    , in reply to message 83.

    Posted by marg (U14830405) on Friday, 8th June 2012

    Gosh had never thought of lice in your teeth! no wonder Carl left her , riddled with unsavoury creepy crawlies I wonder what else she has picked up! ring worm? Scabies? Empitigo (sp?) Gosh she must look lovely! Oh! forgot worms scratching at both ends!!

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  • Message 86

    , in reply to message 70.

    Posted by anna kist (U2314477) on Friday, 8th June 2012

    Too easy to dismiss her nasty ways as a 'mental health issue'. A cop out in fact for someone who is just plain horrid.

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  • Message 87

    , in reply to message 73.

    Posted by Auntie Molly (U14110968) on Friday, 8th June 2012

    I agree with this, but Alice is trying to do it very gently, bearing in mind that Amy is in a strange mental state. People are often like this with friends, I think, whilst being rather more brutal with their families! Alice and Chris should be together on just how much support, especially in a practical sense, they are able and prepared to offer Amy. Because that little madam will have no qualms about coming between them and exploiting any rift she causes.  yes, I think Alice is probably feeling a bit out of her depth to be honest. And I agree she and Chris need to be on their guard because Amy seems to have it in for married couples at the moment.

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  • Message 88

    , in reply to message 86.

    Posted by Lady Trudie Tilney Glorfindel Maldini (U2222312) ** on Friday, 8th June 2012

    Too easy to dismiss her nasty ways as a 'mental health issue'. A cop out in fact for someone who is just plain horrid. 

    Surely too simple to dismiss her as 'plain horrid' either Anna?

    Amy has never had to handle anything like this in her life before, and maybe it will turn out to be that this is just how she is under pressure ie. not very nice.

    But there are hints creeping in that she is beginning to lose rationality about the situation which might indicate illness rather than plain horridness. That's what's interesting about the story, waiting to see which way it will play out.

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  • Message 89

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    Posted by anna kist (U2314477) on Friday, 8th June 2012

    I just get bored because whenever someone acts badly and out of character someone here pops up with the mental health issue point. I think it is an insult to people who are really mentally ill and not just plain nasty.

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  • Message 90

    , in reply to message 85.

    Posted by nesta vipers (U2256451) on Friday, 8th June 2012

    Gosh had never thought of lice in your teeth! no wonder Carl left her , riddled with unsavoury creepy crawlies I wonder what else she has picked up! ring worm? Scabies? Empitigo (sp?) Gosh she must look lovely! Oh! forgot worms scratching at both ends!!  Marvellous if she'd got the little demons from Carl (wouldn't be in teeth tho)

    Cheers nesta ( sorry if I sound a bit crabby)

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  • Message 91

    , in reply to message 88.

    Posted by Kevin (U9187254) on Friday, 8th June 2012

    I just hope that they do let things play out. I wouldn't be surprised though, to see Amy move away for a few weeks, then return a changed person and none of this is ever mentioned again smiley - sadface

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  • Message 92

    , in reply to message 55.

    Posted by NotsoTinyTim (U2256329) on Friday, 8th June 2012

    < Amy is behaving badly but she hasn't resorted to physical violence >

    Not yet, at least. If I were Mrs Carl, I would be very worried.

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  • Message 93

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    Posted by Lady Trudie Tilney Glorfindel Maldini (U2222312) ** on Friday, 8th June 2012

    Why, Anna? We don't know yet whether she is mentally ill or not. It's one of the possiblities, and I don't see how it can insult anyone to suggest it.

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  • Message 94

    , in reply to message 89.

    Posted by StargazerwithOscar (U14668197) on Friday, 8th June 2012

    I just get bored because whenever someone acts badly and out of character someone here pops up with the mental health issue point. I think it is an insult to people who are really mentally ill and not just plain nasty. 
    Agreed, Anna. It's a cliche and they crop up as we all know. Some people are just plain nasty, and that appears to include young Amy. Is it surprising though? Cuddles on the sofa and a children's movie at 23. Heaven knows what kind of a little princess she was when she actually WAS a child. She's been Alan's little precious, and that's all worked out fine while things have gone her way, as they mostly have. I find it quite feasible that Amy has never before met with any serious rejection or even disappointment. Let's remember she's from the generation where nobody loses at anything, you get a prize for taking part etc. Clearly very little discipline (and I mean the word to include the teaching of reflection and self control). If there had been concerns before all this about her mental health, I would believe it, but I just don't.

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  • Message 95

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    Posted by Tadpole (U2267185) on Friday, 8th June 2012

    " I wouldn't be surprised though, to see Amy move away for a few weeks, then return a changed person and none of this is ever mentioned again "


    I fear you may be right, Kevin. Control freak, neurotic, selfish, manipulative and potentially dangerous Helen? Where did she go?

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  • Message 96

    , in reply to message 94.

    Posted by nesta vipers (U2256451) on Friday, 8th June 2012

    I just get bored because whenever someone acts badly and out of character someone here pops up with the mental health issue point. I think it is an insult to people who are really mentally ill and not just plain nasty. 
    Agreed, Anna. It's a cliche and they crop up as we all know. Some people are just plain nasty, and that appears to include young Amy. Is it surprising though? Cuddles on the sofa and a children's movie at 23. Heaven knows what kind of a little princess she was when she actually WAS a child. She's been Alan's little precious, and that's all worked out fine while things have gone her way, as they mostly have. I find it quite feasible that Amy has never before met with any serious rejection or even disappointment. Let's remember she's from the generation where nobody loses at anything, you get a prize for taking part etc. Clearly very little discipline (and I mean the word to include the teaching of reflection and self control). If there had been concerns before all this about her mental health, I would believe it, but I just don't.  
    Two such good posts Stargazer & Anna!

    Cheers Nesta

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  • Message 97

    , in reply to message 94.

    Posted by Lady Trudie Tilney Glorfindel Maldini (U2222312) ** on Friday, 8th June 2012

    If there had been concerns before all this about her mental health, I would believe it, but I just don't.  


    Do you think mental illness only affects those who have previous shown concerns?

    I've no idea whether it will turn out to be the case, but I don't see what's wrong with considering it a possibility.

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  • Message 98

    , in reply to message 96.

    Posted by Scarlett the Harlot (U14942477) on Friday, 8th June 2012

    I just get bored because whenever someone acts badly and out of character someone here pops up with the mental health issue point. I think it is an insult to people who are really mentally ill and not just plain nasty. 
    Agreed, Anna. It's a cliche and they crop up as we all know. Some people are just plain nasty, and that appears to include young Amy. Is it surprising though? Cuddles on the sofa and a children's movie at 23. Heaven knows what kind of a little princess she was when she actually WAS a child. She's been Alan's little precious, and that's all worked out fine while things have gone her way, as they mostly have. I find it quite feasible that Amy has never before met with any serious rejection or even disappointment. Let's remember she's from the generation where nobody loses at anything, you get a prize for taking part etc. Clearly very little discipline (and I mean the word to include the teaching of reflection and self control). If there had been concerns before all this about her mental health, I would believe it, but I just don't.  
    Two such good posts Stargazer & Anna!

    Cheers Nesta 


    I couldn't agree more Nesta.

    Amy is a spoilt little madam who turns very very nasty when everything doesn't go her way.

    What she said to Usha was unforgiveable in my opinion.

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  • Message 99

    , in reply to message 98.

    Posted by The Famous But Disillusioned with the BBC Eccles (U219998) on Friday, 8th June 2012

    Is it too much to hope that they're going to build a Jubilee Wicker Woman atop Lackey Hill for the Solstice?

    I'm sure that Amy would be a fitting occupant.

    Roy ; )

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  • Message 100

    , in reply to message 97.

    Posted by StargazerwithOscar (U14668197) on Friday, 8th June 2012

    Do you think mental illness only affects those who have previous shown concerns? 

    No, I don'., Having been severely depressed to the point of incapacity for the best part of a year following a traumatic life event (rather more serious than the ending of a two month relationship), I'm well aware that there are many different causes of and manifestations of mental illness. Nastiness, however, does not come from "nowhere". If a mentally ill person exhibits this form of behaviour, it was there already. We got a little hint of a part of Amy's problem when he was mollycoddling her with the move. Everything had to be made right for her, nothing must be allowed to upset her, he wanted to "punch (Carl's) lights out". Charming! How many children get all that fuss because they've grazed a knee or had a quarrel. What's wrong with "shall we talk about the quarrel?", and "even see if we can see it a bit differently?" I did it with my three often enough! But no, Amy just had to have the world put right for her. Her depression, such as it was, from this short and now finished relationship, would have been over weeks ago if she hadn't been encouraged to wallow in misery, and even rewarded for it.

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