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  • Message 251

    , in reply to message 250.

    Posted by DracoM1 (U14252039) on Tuesday, 15th May 2012

    What was gnawingly super-clunky was the dozy strategy to stretch nit out into a a THIRD week by clickety-clickety interruptions injected every single time Usha drew breath to try to explain to Amy or Alan or Amy-n'-Alan the exact circs.

    SO, so sledgehammer smashed in, as to be terminally tedious.
    BUT as time went by, the true, sinister tactics became revealed: the shameful degrading portrayal of Usha as meek, stupid, ever-so-humble, I am not worthy, beat-upon doormat.

    A professional woman? A country solicitor?

    I do not think so.

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  • Message 252

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    Posted by CGLauder (U15269508) on Tuesday, 15th May 2012

    Exactly. Are we meant to believe such a professional, respected in their field, cannot make such a decision? OK, a bit difficult to tell her lovesick step-daughter that her man is married...but not to tell Alan because it might hurt him? 'He'll be crushed', Usha said.

    That reasoning is SO implausible.

    Alan is not that selfish of a character--his first thought would be to Amy, and Usha would know that.

    And the interruptions. Granted plotlines are usually continued every other day on TA, but are we meant to believe that if Usha can't talk to Alan, she doesn't try again for another two days??? Given the urgency of the matter, Usha would be on it as soon as she can.

    You're right, Dracs, this plotline unnecessarily damages Usha's character...and I think Alan's & Amy's as well.

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  • Message 253

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    Posted by JoinedPeetsBoard_Smeesues_too (U14519481) on Tuesday, 15th May 2012

    She should be challenged by her father for her behaviour. I hope that Alan's final comment to Usha "Leave it to me!" is going to be taking Amy aside and saying something like "I know you're upset, but you cannot take it out on Usha like that."  
    I agree with the last comment Red about Alan telling Usha to leave Amy alone .. it was my advice to her a day or so ago. I don't think it nasty of Alan to say that - just sensible.

    Usha has done her best to apologise - there is no more she can do. Certainly she should not attempt to keep justifying herself to Amy - just like a red rag to a bull.. I don't think it in the character of Usha to keep trying to get Amy on side - a diplomatic withdrawal would be more in order.
    JPBS

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  • Message 254

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Tuesday, 15th May 2012

    If you spoke to someone in the tone of voice that Alan has been using to Usha, I hope that you would be heartily ashamed of yourself.

    It is his business to cherish the wife he chose, not to join with his daughter in ostraciising her.

    The way he said "leave it to me" did not offer any particular hope that he was going to do anything but sympathise with Amy, and stay at home holding her poor little hand and cutting his parish duties as he did the following evening, while having as little as possible to do with his wife and not having time for her at any point.

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  • Message 255

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    Posted by joe (U13868420) on Tuesday, 15th May 2012

    Anyone else wonder if Usha's inability to get time to speak to Alan when he returned might have been a symptom rather than the cause of their current situation? Maybe things have not been quite so rosy as we've assumed?

    And why the retreat? I know they are a routine part of the religious life (for laity as well as the ordained) but they are also taken if one needs time to consider particular issues in one's life.

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  • Message 256

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    Posted by Burberry (U14785386) on Tuesday, 15th May 2012

    Evenin' joe ... A few of us have been wondering aloud on the board
    about why Usha never seemed to have a couple of minutes alone with
    Alan to simply blurt out " I hate to say this, but I think Carl is married".

    One poster even asked " Do they not sleep together?" " Do they not
    share a bedroom?"
    It *is* odd that in the course of a married life, however busy, neither of
    them could find the time for a two minute chat.
    Even when brushing one's teeth at bedtime?

    (Have you noticed how much dialogue takes place in movies recently
    during the Tooth Brushing Moment? ;- ) )

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  • Message 257

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    Posted by joe (U13868420) on Wednesday, 16th May 2012

    Wotcha Burbers!

    It was those very discussions that set me thinking about the state of their marriage. That and a certain comment on Another Programme...

    What price now the claim that listening (or not) to that Other Programme will not affect how one hears TA?

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  • Message 258

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    Posted by DracoM1 (U14252039) on Wednesday, 16th May 2012

    Well, joe, those who listen in Another Place are perfectly well aware but have largely kept discreetly silent that this entire SL has sprung directly out of exhaustive detail as set out in Another Place.

    You kn ow that bit of the A6 that runs more or less parallel but more wavy to the M6 in Lancashire.........? Well, think of it like that.

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  • Message 259

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    Posted by joe (U13868420) on Wednesday, 16th May 2012

    I wasn't thinking of the whole SL - just one apparently throwaway aside, which could easily have been incorporated into TA.

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  • Message 260

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    Posted by JoinedPeetsBoard_Smeesues_too (U14519481) on Wednesday, 16th May 2012

    But Amy had come in after a double shift - why on earth did first Alan then Usha disturb her ?

    No wonder Amy was tetchy - even if Usha had *not* known Carl was married - silly to try to talk to her IMHO.

    I felt embarrassed that Usha kept apologising and trying to justify herself all the time. No need and no point ... Alan was quite right to tell her to leave it alone .

    A dignified silence is by far the best from Usha- let Alan and Amy sort it out.
    JPBS

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  • Message 261

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Wednesday, 16th May 2012

    Usha went in when Amy was evidently awake and playing music.

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  • Message 262

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    Posted by JoinedPeetsBoard_Smeesues_too (U14519481) on Wednesday, 16th May 2012

    A dignified silence is by far the best from Usha- let Alan and Amy sort it out. 
    I see at last that Usha has done the right thing and walked away - even if it was just to confide in Ruth.

    And yes - Alan did notice .. it's up to him now to make peace not her.

    JPBS

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  • Message 263

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    Posted by Burberry (U14785386) on Wednesday, 16th May 2012

    I wasn't thinking of the whole SL - just one apparently throwaway aside, which could easily have been incorporated into TA.   Joe ... This has always been the problem, hasn't it?
    Amongst the inconsequential happenings and dialogue in AmEx
    there is always a germ of information that is pertinent to the main
    programme.
    As you have been saying for months - and I agree - the two separate
    programmes do not, *can* not, stand alone, as was the much publicised intention of the Prod. Team at the time.
    Over the period that they have run in tandem, cross-overs and small but vital leaks reflecting character's personalities have happened.
    It was inevitable, I think, given the juggling act the SWs were asked to
    perform regarding time lines and conversations especially.

    And now we have a situation where a certain number of us recall
    events that happened in The Other Place, which those listening solely
    to Radio4 can have no knowledge of.
    Not hugely important events, but just important enough to colour our
    perception of a particular character ... or in this case, *the subtlety * of
    that character's circumstances.

    Which brings me back, full circle, to the present Usha, Alan Amy
    storyline, and it's nuances.
    It's a pity, but naturally, you can't say what 'hints' you got from AmEx's last series, that the Franks' marriage was not rosy.

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  • Message 264

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    Posted by Bette (U2222559) on Thursday, 17th May 2012

    Just wondering, but why does your post come out as some kind of (non) -poetry? I mean, not the text, just the way it is on screen.

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  • Message 265

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    Posted by joe (U13868420) on Thursday, 17th May 2012

    Evenin' Burbers!

    Posted about this on the AmEx board: www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mb...

    For obvious reasons I wasn't going to quote that remark here!

    And you're quite right - they've tied themselves in knots trying to run two parallel programs. If they were going to do it, why not make it completely separate? I'd say they'd still have got a fair number of TA listeners if it had been billed as "a new series from the makers of The Archers". They could even have used most of the same SLs, but with different characters and not set in Ambridge!

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  • Message 266

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    Posted by Burberry (U14785386) on Thursday, 17th May 2012

    Apologies Bette. I did not realise it *was* -- it looks normal on my
    screen as I write, and normal when I re-read it on the thread.
    I don't know enough about my MacBook to be able to rectify it ...
    Does it always do this?

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  • Message 267

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    Posted by Burberry (U14785386) on Thursday, 17th May 2012

    Hi Joe ... have you seen this link posted both by Lillian's twin and
    radiofour on another thread?
    Your phrase "not set in Ambridge" reminded me of it ; -)

    uncyclopedia.wikia.c...

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  • Message 268

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    Posted by joe (U13868420) on Thursday, 17th May 2012

    Thanks for that, Burbers. I now feel much more secure about my sanity!

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  • Message 269

    , in reply to message 17.

    Posted by notjenniferaldrich (U8555450) on Thursday, 17th May 2012

    I beg to differ-again! Stand up for Thomas Hardy: wonderful writer- not such a good husband.
    If anyone can read Henchard's last will and testament without a huge lump forming in the throat then this person must have NO EMOTIONS!!! 
    Couldn't agree more re Hardy. First heard "Return of the Native" as a radio serial when my mum moved the radio into my bedroom during a bout of tonsillitis. I got better before the last epi, so I read it and became really keen on Hardy. Wrote an essay in French about "Jude the Obscure" when I was about 14, and the teacher summoned me to the presence and asked how on earth I had read such a book at my tender age. Then we did "Mayor of Casterbridge" as a set book, and I loved that, too. Just couldn't get hooked on the poetry though.

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  • Message 270

    , in reply to message 263.

    Posted by Redbookish (U1335018) on Thursday, 17th May 2012

    It's a pity, but naturally, you can't say what 'hints' you got from AmEx's last series, that the Franks' marriage was not rosy. 

    No, that wasn't what the AmEx Alan & Amy plot was about. It was about discovering the childhood story of Alan's first wife, Catherine, and I think that some of that *has* been indicated in TA.

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  • Message 271

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    Posted by Peggy Monahan (U2254875) on Thursday, 17th May 2012

    No, that wasn't what the AmEx Alan & Amy plot was about. It was about discovering the childhood story of Alan's first wife, Catherine, and I think that some of that *has* been indicated in TA. 

    I believe that Amy told Alice all about it in wart is regarded by some as an "information dump" scene.

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  • Message 272

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    Posted by joe (U13868420) on Thursday, 17th May 2012

    No, that wasn't what the AmEx Alan & Amy plot was about. It was about discovering the childhood story of Alan's first wife, Catherine, and I think that some of that *has* been indicated in TA.  It wasn't the whole SL I referred to, just an apparently throwaway aside by a character that suggested things weren't quite as idyllic as we'd been led to believe.

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  • Message 273

    , in reply to message 256.

    Posted by Arrow-shower (U14738997) on Thursday, 17th May 2012

    Evenin' joe ... A few of us have been wondering aloud on the board
    about why Usha never seemed to have a couple of minutes alone with
    Alan to simply blurt out " I hate to say this, but I think Carl is married".

    One poster even asked " Do they not sleep together?" " Do they not
    share a bedroom?"
    It *is* odd that in the course of a married life, however busy, neither of
    them could find the time for a two minute chat.
    Even when brushing one's teeth at bedtime?

    (Have you noticed how much dialogue takes place in movies recently
    during the Tooth Brushing Moment? ;- ) ) 
    I don't know that he brushes his teeth too much: it interferes with his taste buds...

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  • Message 274

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    Posted by Burberry (U14785386) on Thursday, 17th May 2012

    You mean - "You'll wonder where the mince-pie went
    When you brush your teeth with Pipsodent!"



    Fair enough ... coat on ...

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  • Message 275

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    Posted by Arrow-shower (U14738997) on Friday, 18th May 2012

    His other name is Halantosis ; )

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