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  • Message 1. 

    Posted by voletattle (U14457579) on Sunday, 29th April 2012

    So what's all that about? Her brother is possibly at death's door and she isn't able to fly a few hours across Europe? More poor writing garnering unrealistic suspense (as in the Usha can't tell Alan scenario)? A hitherto unmentioned death/hospital phobia? Is Tamsin on holiday?

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    Posted by mamakali (U8531301) on Sunday, 29th April 2012

    She "can't get away" apparently - baffling in the extreme!

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    Posted by Minihohum (U14070767) on Sunday, 29th April 2012

    Not really, she's a proper actress who gets parts in real plays and films. She can't drop everything just to gasp, "oh, Adam, it's such bad luck you got beaten senseless by a farm machinery thief. Hope you wake up soon and decide to give up farming altogether and open a teashop in Rhyll. All the best. Anyway I'd better scoot off back to Hungary and make more cheap milk".

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    Posted by charmingAnnielynn (U11952070) on Sunday, 29th April 2012

    Dropping in to Ambridge to weep at Adam's bedside seems at least a important a reason (plot-wise) for the actress to turn up as the other ones we've had lately - "oh, Brian, I know you have all the details about the whole megadairy right there, and you always manage fine on your own at the board meetings that I never attend myself, but I'll jet over for a couple of hours and put my two cents in at the meeting, too. "
    While we're presented with the idea of Debbie as a shrewd businesswoman, I didn't think we were supposed to get the impression that she cares less about her brother's life-threatening injury than she does about a good business deal. But at this point, several days later (and considering we've been told over and over that she's just a short flight away from England), that's what I'm starting to think about her.

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    Posted by cath (U2234232) on Sunday, 29th April 2012

    Not sure it matters re actor's commitments. Debbie's absence is entirely in character. I expect she'll email:

    Dear Adam, sorry I can't get away from my very Important Work but don't worry, I'll definitely come to the funeral when I can multitask by Helping Dad Sort out the Mess you've left behind.

    Love Debsxx

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    Posted by siriol (U14748387) on Sunday, 29th April 2012

    I can't imagine Debbie not visiting her brother when he is in a coma. If Tamsin G is not available when an important storyline demands it, perhaps they should replace her with another actress or write her out of the programme altogether.

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    Posted by Lyra (U2293272) on Sunday, 29th April 2012

    Agreed. I think that Tamsin Greig is an excellent actress, and I can understand that the BBC want to keep her on while she's still willing to do The Archers, but her not being available that much is starting to give rise to silly situations. Would Debbie really not fly home, given the situation with Adam. I don't find that in character, actually. The time has come to re-cast the past.

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  • Message 8

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    Posted by mick-the-miller (U15121006) on Sunday, 29th April 2012

    Debbie's doing some 'research' into Adam's condition and will be emailing her proposal asap!

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    Posted by virtual_jan (U13662056) on Sunday, 29th April 2012

    I was thinking this evening that they could have her visit but silently if Tamsin is not available. She was reputedly at the LoLo New Year Party that Nigel took a permanent exit from even though we did not hear her speak, so why not now?

    We could have Jenny saying "Debbie's sitting with Adam" and "Debbie's having a couple of hours rest" followed after a few days by "Debbie has to go back to Hungary for a short while". It has been done plenty of times before. It would be more realistic than "Debbie can't get away" -bearing in mind the number of times Debbie has managed to get away in the past year on BL business.



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    Posted by rick_yard_withdrawn (U14573092) on Sunday, 29th April 2012

    I was thinking this evening that they could have her visit but silently if Tamsin is not available. She was reputedly at the LoLo New Year Party that Nigel took a permanent exit from even though we did not hear her speak, so why not now?

    We could have Jenny saying "Debbie's sitting with Adam" and "Debbie's having a couple of hours rest" followed after a few days by "Debbie has to go back to Hungary for a short while". It has been done plenty of times before. It would be more realistic than "Debbie can't get away" -bearing in mind the number of times Debbie has managed to get away in the past year on BL business.



    v_j  
    Strangely though, she always sounds like Tamsin Grieg in whatever role - unlike Andrew Wincott who makes an effort to sound different....

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  • Message 11

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    Posted by Marmalade Drizzle (U2239190) on Sunday, 29th April 2012

    It would not have been beyond the realm of reason for her to have recorded a scene the last time she was in the studio. The production team knew this was coming.

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    Posted by mick-the-miller (U15121006) on Sunday, 29th April 2012

    I was thinking this evening that they could have her visit but silently if Tamsin is not available. She was reputedly at the LoLo New Year Party that Nigel took a permanent exit from even though we did not hear her speak, so why not now?

    We could have Jenny saying "Debbie's sitting with Adam" and "Debbie's having a couple of hours rest" followed after a few days by "Debbie has to go back to Hungary for a short while". It has been done plenty of times before. It would be more realistic than "Debbie can't get away" -bearing in mind the number of times Debbie has managed to get away in the past year on BL business.



    v_j  
    This could be a way of extending the suspense of whether Adam's going to be brown bread or not - have JD announce that one of the 'Silent' characters are in chatting at him.

    Freda Fry, Neville Booth, Jean Harvey. Titcombe from LoLo, Sabrina Thwaite etc etc It could drag on for months - hold on maybe that's not
    such a good idea.....

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  • Message 13

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    Posted by janeandtheboys (U12100818) on Sunday, 29th April 2012

    As Adam does not have to answer Debbie, they could just cut and paste lots of sentences she has already said over the years into a bedside monologue. May be a bit random - cows, yields, asking if he was Hungary . . .

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    Posted by Ginslinger Redux (U14830013) on Sunday, 29th April 2012

    Yes given that she could do one of the soliloquys... Or she could come back without us hearing her.... "Debbie got in last night...came straight to the hospital and spent an hour with Adam but she is is in the Office with Brian now trying to arrange a temporary manager. She will be back in this afternoon... Something like that..

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    Posted by joleena (U2779256) on Sunday, 29th April 2012

    Wouldn't it be better for her to come over once he has woken up?
    Then she could sit with him and give him moral support.
    At the moment Adam has enough visitors.

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    Posted by Turkey Baster (U14562428) on Sunday, 29th April 2012

    Wouldn't it be better for her to come over once he has woken up?
    Then she could sit with him and give him moral support.
    At the moment Adam has enough visitors. 
    But..... Joleena, he may not wake up.... sniff.
    To be fair to Debbie, it's not a bundle of laughs sitting by Adam's bedside, although it is a bit like Piccadilly Circus in his room - she could catch up with half the Ambridge population, as well as entering the "who's the most compassionate visitor" competition.

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  • Message 17

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    Posted by footintwocamps (U9458464) on Sunday, 29th April 2012

    Not sure it matters re actor's commitments. Debbie's absence is entirely in character. I expect she'll email:

    Dear Adam, sorry I can't get away from my very Important Work but don't worry, I'll definitely come to the funeral when I can multitask by Helping Dad Sort out the Mess you've left behind.

    Love Debsxx 
    I agree. The mega dairy idea was Dobbin's idea, and it split her family down the middle. Brian was aware of this, Debbie seemed not to give a hoot.

    Sometimes personal disappointments do make people lose sight of the important things in life.

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  • Message 18

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    Posted by Anne Marie Hawkins (U6999755) on Sunday, 29th April 2012

    It wouldn't be a bundle of laughs regaining consciousness to have Debbie as the first thing you behold either. She is a most unsympathetic character.

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    Posted by Malahide (U14258229) on Sunday, 29th April 2012

    It wouldn't be a bundle of laughs regaining consciousness to have Debbie as the first thing you behold either. She is a most unsympathetic character.  Debbie's more cardboardy than Aunty Chris, has been for ages IMO. Don't they have any fatal farm accidents in Hungary? Then she wouldn't have to come back ever.

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    Posted by virtual_jan (U13662056) on Sunday, 29th April 2012

    Odd isn't it when she is a good actress- she was excellent in White Heat recently....


    v_j

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  • Message 21

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    Posted by Ginslinger Redux (U14830013) on Sunday, 29th April 2012

    I think Tamsin grieg is wonderful...green wing, black books, episodes.. and I dont' think Christine is carboardy... lots of elderly country women in my neck of the woods and Christine is typical IMO.

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  • Message 22

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    Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Sunday, 29th April 2012

    Tonight it was clarified a little suggesting that rather than leap on the first plane Debbie was sorting things out in Hungary so that she could come over for a longer period and help on the farm.

    Perfectly sensible if there was considered little risk of sudden deterioration.

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  • Message 23

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    Posted by mick-the-miller (U15121006) on Monday, 30th April 2012

    Debbie's busy-busy - things to do - deals to be made - Goulash to eat - Bulls Blood to be drunk - Coffee to be grabbed - she'll send him an email!

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    Posted by My Mum is turning in her grave (U13137565) on Monday, 30th April 2012

    She could record a message for Adam which could be played on a loop. That would wake him up - or not.

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    Posted by voletattle (U14457579) on Monday, 30th April 2012

    Tonight it was clarified a little suggesting that rather than leap on the first plane Debbie was sorting things out in Hungary so that she could come over for a longer period and help on the farm.

    Perfectly sensible if there was considered little risk of sudden deterioration.  
    But might there not be a sudden deterioration? In that case the chances of getting back from rural Hungary in time would be limited. Or is it more likely he slips deeper into a coma and we will have an interminable 'shall we switch the machine off?' storyline?

    And just for the record I I think Tamsin Greig is wonderful! Saw her once when my son got tickets for a recording of Black Books - also wonderful!

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  • Message 26

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    Posted by Ginslinger Redux (U14830013) on Monday, 30th April 2012

    Yes though given that she can flip back for a board meeting and it was the weekend you might have thought it possible.. not like money is the issue it is for most of us. But yes otherwise sensible to hang fire and wait til she can be useful. There are lots of others who can sit by a bedside and talk to him. Lilian for example, is very fond of Adam and he of her and she was excellent with JAck when he was 3 sheets to the wind and I can imagine her doing the one sided conversation well.

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  • Message 27

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    Posted by barwick_green (U2668006) on Monday, 30th April 2012

    Agreed. I think that Tamsin Greig is an excellent actress, and I can understand that the BBC want to keep her on while she's still willing to do The Archers, but her not being available that much is starting to give rise to silly situations. Would Debbie really not fly home, given the situation with Adam. I don't find that in character, actually. The time has come to re-cast the past.  < Agreed. I think that Tamsin Greig is an excellent actress >

    That she is but her role in recent years has been that of an auotomoton robotically reading out fact and figures from a spreadsheet; there's been little emotional input from her.

    I say replace TG or simply write her out- maybe she can emigrate to Australia or become a nun.


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  • Message 28

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    Posted by returnmigration (U14260026) on Monday, 30th April 2012


    Having lived on the other side of the world from my birth family for the best part of ten years, I can tell you that neither Debs or Kate getting on a plane as soon as they got he news of a brother 'in coma' and 'in hospital' is utterly barking.

    What are the SWs playing at here?

    .

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  • Message 29

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    Posted by Ginslinger Redux (U14830013) on Monday, 30th April 2012

    They have rather given her a personality transplant. The Debbie of old was all about beetle banks and leaving the edges of fields for nature not cow factories.

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  • Message 30

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    Posted by RosalindF (U11043377) on Monday, 30th April 2012

    Perhaps Debbie's not made time to come over to see her
    brother because he can't deal with her manipuliative farm working
    plans. After all she set up the BL cow dairy farm not thinking
    about the extra work for Adam.

    Brian might be able to "persuade" her to visit in repayment...........

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  • Message 31

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    Posted by Minihohum (U14070767) on Monday, 30th April 2012

    The strangest arguments for them not coming went sometbing like this: Alice said Kate "would" have dropped everything to be there straight away, whereas Deb would "want to do things properly" (ie bugger about clearing her hectic work schedule first). Then Jenny said Kate wouldn't be coming because it would be "so awful if she didn't get here in time" as if missing seeing Adam altogether before he died would be bettter than trying and failing to see him while he was still alive... Sometimes I wonder who thinks of these insane bits of dialogue.

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    Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Monday, 30th April 2012

    Or they splendidly write the illogical thoughts and speech of a woman who is exhausted and distressed that her son is in a coma; and of her daughter who will say whatever she thinks will calm her mother.

    Their perception of Adam's health has changed from relief that "he does not need an operation" to worry that "his intercrainal pressure is still high". They had, with reason, expected him to come out of the coma soon. They now fear it will be never.

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  • Message 33

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    Posted by Ginslinger Redux (U14830013) on Monday, 30th April 2012

    Yes, I took it to mean that she had told Kate not to come because it she hoped it wouldn't be necessary and that having told her that, now she wonders if she has made a wrong call and if Adam deteriorates suddenlty Kate might not get back in time. Also if Debbie gets things organised in Hungary and comes over she can be of a practical use when she arrives whereras Kate isn't. And theoretically Kate has three children to consider but their welfare is seldom a barrier to her doing as she pleases.

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  • Message 34

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    Posted by thelatejulia (U2651855) on Monday, 30th April 2012

    but who is it who wants Debbie there and for whose benefit should she visit - Adam or Jennifer? i think it's the latter.

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    Posted by borchesterbouncer (U14738918) on Monday, 30th April 2012

    Definitely Jennifer, she's really turning the screws on Debbie.

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    Posted by RosalindF (U11043377) on Tuesday, 1st May 2012

    but who is it who wants Debbie there and for whose benefit should she visit - Adam or Jennifer? i think it's the latter. 
    thelatejulia

    Agreed it's Jennifer who really wants her daughter, Debbie to
    come over and see her son/brother Adam.

    But in Debbie's mind (I think) that she won't come unless Adam
    can be of use to her selfish plans. All she does is dream up
    managerial plans to suit herself IMO

    Rosalind

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    Posted by Minihohum (U14070767) on Tuesday, 1st May 2012

    What really was the point in dropping everything and rushing to the UK when her brother was in a coma? He already had half the Archer/Aldridge clan there plus his "partner" plus TVOA.

    She had important business and her deputy's wife had just had a premature baby. Madam was not, apparently, suffering from a serious brain injury. Common sense and logic prevailed.

    It seemed that JD was just as anxious to get her back to sub for Madam on the farm as anything else - a problem easily enough solved by getting extra help on the farm or by some of the clan to help out, just as Brian has done in the past for them when they needed it.

    Madam was happy enough to see the back of her so he could be the one who ran the deer, exploited Polish workers, etc. Would he have gone to Hungary if the position were reversed? I'm sure the graceless, miserable git would have had hundreds of reasons why he couldn't make it.

     
    i don;t think Adam is particularly selfish. If Debbie was in a coma he'd go over to Hungary and go, "Oh well Sis, looks like I'll be inheriting the farm after all. If you don't wakr up I'll nab the Hungarian empire as well" and then she'd wake up pretty sharpish.

    I still don't really understand why she cannot leave someone else to argue with the Govt. - there must be someone else in charge, apart from her "Deputy" (is she in the Army?) whose wife has either just had a baby prematurely or lost a baby prematurely, we'll never know... Does Debbie do all the negotiating with the Hungarian Govt? Does she speak Hungarian? Are they trying to buy Ukraine now as well...?

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    Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Tuesday, 1st May 2012

    I still don't really understand why she cannot leave someone else to argue with the Govt. 

    Who says they are arguing? More likely scheming with the gov't to get over the twin perils of local farmers and EU Rules. How many layers of managers do you think there would be?

    "Deputy" is commonly used in business.

    As I already stated, she may well speak good Hungarian by now, but anyway their civil servants will all speak English.

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    Posted by Tomas_Bosque (U2631536) on Tuesday, 1st May 2012

    " but anyway their civil servants will all speak English"

    Having worked in another EU country for nearly 30 years, don't you believe it.

    I totally agree with you about the term "Deputy" though.

    There are such things as interpreters or she may well have other staff who are bi-lingual, but when it comes to negotiations, the other side always want the organ grinder to be there as well as the monkey.

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    Posted by My Mum is turning in her grave (U13137565) on Tuesday, 1st May 2012

    According to JD, Debbie was fluent within a couple of weeks of arrival.

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    Posted by Ginslinger Redux (U14830013) on Tuesday, 1st May 2012

    Like Lily was fluent in frnech after her exchange. I would be suprised. If she had gone to italy or spain or somewhere where having learnt a Romance language would be a bit of a start then she might have been able ot get by in a couple of weeks... but Hungarian is completely different and notoriously difficult. Even if she had an immersion course fluency takes time...

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    Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Tuesday, 1st May 2012

    Hungarian is completely different and notoriously difficult. Even if she had an immersion course fluency takes time 

    Gins - She's been living there for nearly a decade working entirely with locals.

    Long enough surely?

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