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"i'm so proud of you Helen!"

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  • Message 1. 

    Posted by JacksParakeetBeingDe-Nested (U2979858) on Wednesday, 21st March 2012

    You did everything you should have: you talked down to Sharon, patronised her, ignored or trivialised her point of view, and knocked on the door again before giving her a chance to answer. And you even managed some cheap emoptional blackmail! Well done you! Come here!

    She was right: you're your mother's daughter all right, and a true Archer into the bargain!

    jp

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    Posted by GoneAwayForGood (U14551283) on Wednesday, 21st March 2012

    Takes your breath away, doesn't it?

    Does Felpersham Uni do a course in communication, because if it does Helen should enrol on it a.s.a.p.?

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  • Message 3

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    Posted by urbanalia (U14554422) on Wednesday, 21st March 2012

    And of course John would also have been proud of her!

    Only surprised she didn't try to pull the "As a mother myself" trick!!

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    Posted by Lady Trudie Tilney Glorfindel Maldini (U2222312) on Wednesday, 21st March 2012

    Oh Jacks that's exactly right. She sounded so condescending, fancy someone like her going all that way to talk to someone like Sharon! "You all look so happy" indeed. Yes Helen, that's what the working class look like on holiday.

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  • Message 5

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Wednesday, 21st March 2012

    Helen wouldn't know about the idea of a family going on holiday together: hers never did.

    She wouldn't dare pull the "as a mother myself" at Sharon: Sharon might ask who the father was. Or worse still, Kylie might have been told, by Susan, and passed it on. Sharon, like me, would almost certainly see it not as a brave and honourable woman taking the only way open to her to have a child, but as a neurotic using a baster because no man in his right mind would ever risk having a child with her and thus putting her in charge of a child of his.

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    Posted by urbanalia (U14554422) on Wednesday, 21st March 2012

    Helen wouldn't know about the idea of a family going on holiday together: hers never did.

    She wouldn't dare pull the "as a mother myself" at Sharon: Sharon might ask who the father was. Or worse still, Kylie might have been told, by Susan, and passed it on. Sharon, like me, would almost certainly see it not as a brave and honourable woman taking the only way open to her to have a child, but as a neurotic using a baster because no man in his right mind would ever risk having a child with her and thus putting her in charge of a child of his. 
    I quite agree!

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  • Message 7

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    Posted by anna kist (U2314477) on Wednesday, 21st March 2012

    I've just listened. DOn't join the diplomatic service Helen. But i think Sharon will think on and out of sympathy for Tony subject poor Rich to meeting the toxic crew.


    But it won't be because of Helen's poor performance just a kind heart.

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  • Message 8

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    Posted by GoneAwayForGood (U14551283) on Wednesday, 21st March 2012

    I've just listened. DOn't join the diplomatic service Helen. But i think Sharon will think on and out of sympathy for Tony subject poor Rich to meeting the toxic crew.


    But it won't be because of Helen's poor performance just a kind heart. 
    nail, hammer, bang, sob, Anna

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  • Message 9

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Wednesday, 21st March 2012

    I would like it if Sharon stood firm, but Eamonn, having once again been rung up by one of the pitiful male creatures at Bridge Farm, over-rules her justified refusal to subject her son to the noxious crew, and talked her into letting Rich go south during the holidays. He has the excuse of not knowing how nasty Pat and Tony are, and how only their own interests have entered their heads at any point; Sharon does know these things.

    (I shall be rather fed up if they mess his term-time about with making a visit to be a psychic sticking-plaster at Bridge Farm.)

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  • Message 10

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    Posted by HtoHe (U2335032) on Wednesday, 21st March 2012

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    << She wouldn't dare pull the "as a mother myself" at Sharon: Sharon might ask who the father was. Or worse still, Kylie might have been told, by Susan, and passed it on. >>

    I can see why it would be a bad idea, Chris; but the fact that something is a bad idea wouldn't stop Helen from doing it. I confess I more than half expected her to take the 'as one mother to another' line.

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  • Message 11

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    Posted by GoneAwayForGood (U14551283) on Wednesday, 21st March 2012

    I would like it if Sharon stood firm, but Eamonn, having once again been rung up by one of the pitiful male creatures at Bridge Farm, over-rules her justified refusal to subject her son to the noxious crew, and talked her into letting Rich go south during the holidays. He has the excuse of not knowing how nasty Pat and Tony are, and how only their own interests have entered their heads at any point; Sharon does know these things.

    (I shall be rather fed up if they mess his term-time about with making a visit to be a psychic sticking-plaster at Bridge Farm.) 
    That would be a nice development, Chris. but I think the script plan has it that Sharon will be filled with remorse at denying her beloved son a meeting with his dying grandfather and Saint Helen will ultimately triumph to her greater glory within the family.

    I also fear that the script plan will call for a rift between Sharon and Rickh because Rich will turn against Sharon for having kept him apart from the delightful Archer clan. This would be horrible but I wouldn't put it past them in the present climate of ideas.

    As I've said elsethread, on tonight's perfomance, Sharon is definitely a character worth developing so I would love to see more interaction with her.

    Thora

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  • Message 12

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    Posted by HtoHe (U2335032) on Thursday, 22nd March 2012

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    << I also fear that the script plan will call for a rift between Sharon and Rickh because Rich will turn against Sharon for having kept him apart from the delightful Archer clan. This would be horrible >>

    I wondered about this, too, ourthora. There is something in Kylie's demeanour that suggests the Phillips household is perhaps rather less united and happy than some of us would like to think. I hope not. I don't know how often I can tolerate having the Bridge Farm Mob arise from the compost smelling of roses.

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  • Message 13

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    Posted by Dailyfix (U14602649) on Thursday, 22nd March 2012

    message 11

    << I also fear that the script plan will call for a rift between Sharon and Rickh because Rich will turn against Sharon for having kept him apart from the delightful Archer clan. This would be horrible >>

    I wondered about this, too, ourthora. There is something in Kylie's demeanour that suggests the Phillips household is perhaps rather less united and happy than some of us would like to think. I hope not. I don't know how often I can tolerate having the Bridge Farm Mob arise from the compost smelling of roses. 
    I would be plain annoyed if that happened. I think it might Shaton has a change of heart after Helen's compassionate words or even worse new Tom rides to the rescue to accomplish what new Helen could not. What a horrible thought but it haunts me.

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  • Message 14

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    Posted by joe (U13868420) on Thursday, 22nd March 2012

    Shaton  /Please/ tell me that wasn't just a typo...

    The perfect description of the Clan's treatment of the proles.

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  • Message 15

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    Posted by pollyanna (U7304225) on Thursday, 22nd March 2012

    I'm Proud Of You should be the motto of the whole bluddy enclave; they are always being proud of one and other, although mostly for doing things such as being able to get their shoes on the correct feet rather than failing completely and totally at a task that they should never have embarked on in the first place. The level of self-regarding deception and delusion is breath taking.

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  • Message 16

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    Posted by maggiesaes (U2771771) on Thursday, 22nd March 2012

    You did everything you should have: you talked down to Sharon, patronised her, ignored or trivialised her point of view, and knocked on the door again before giving her a chance to answer. And you even managed some cheap emoptional blackmail! Well done you! Come here!

    She was right: you're your mother's daughter all right, and a true Archer into the bargain!

    jp 
    Oh wasn't it just cringe making-and she rehearsed it all too she said.
    Oh dear I might need my hankie again it was SOOOO moving - YUK!!

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  • Message 17

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    Posted by aquaticDougal (U3480367) on Thursday, 22nd March 2012

    Not once did the matter of what is best for John Jr get a mention.

    This point is simply not on the Bridge Farm Collective's agenda. They are approaching this ONLY from the "help P & T" perspective!
    As such Sharon is right to say "No!"
    Whatever the consequences to poor Tony's heart & Pat's mental stability.

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  • Message 18

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    Posted by Earldunda (U14196337) on Thursday, 22nd March 2012

    message 5

    << She wouldn't dare pull the "as a mother myself" at Sharon: Sharon might ask who the father was. Or worse still, Kylie might have been told, by Susan, and passed it on. >>

    I can see why it would be a bad idea, Chris; but the fact that something is a bad idea wouldn't stop Helen from doing it. I confess I more than half expected her to take the 'as one mother to another' line. 
    I don't see Helen as a mother- more just a rent a womb to procure a baby as an lifestyle accessory.

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  • Message 19

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    Posted by sunnysakasredux (U14979019) on Thursday, 22nd March 2012

    Hi jp great op! I have just listened, the boards seem to have gone crazy! I thought it was pure Up the stairs down the stairs Abbey. Lady Bountiful Mad_Donna Mary Hellin goes to visit the cast out servant, Sharon, complete with perceived downstairs name, to plead for RIch to be allowed to be handed over to a family who can do sooooooooo much more for him. Really you all deserve better, terrible writing, cliche (accent optional) after cliche, Hellin's sad acting(?) I don't know how the actor playing Sharon kept a straight face. Then the uncontrollable weeping in Tom's arms!! It is so retro I think the s/ws think they are writing for the turn of the last century.
    Doesn't engage! Rich will be handed over to the perceived superior family it is what the scriptwriters want. The fact that Hellin and her entire family are balconies is irrelevant they are the right sort of balconies.
    Rich will return to Ambridge to heal Fair Plague Farm just as Cheesus healed Hellin.
    It is tosh but underneath it is nasty tosh.
    xxxx

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  • Message 20

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    Posted by JacksParakeetBeingDe-Nested (U2979858) on Thursday, 22nd March 2012

    Hi sunny, and ta.

    The 'nasty tosh' is the most disturbing bit about this SL. Harmless tosh like the farrier building SL is one thing, and just raises the BP of those who know that TA can be better; but this one has no redeeming features except for some bits of decent acting. It doesn't seem to have anything Reithian about it either, but then people at the Beeb nowadays think Reithian is an Irish chef.

    jp

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  • Message 21

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    Posted by steenbok running away (U15070570) on Thursday, 22nd March 2012

    Nasty tosh is right, Jacks.

    I'd like it if the Bridge Farm bunch persist in harrassing Sharon and Rich, and find themselves charged with stalking. Failing that, this storyline has nothing to redeem it.

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  • Message 22

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    Posted by Dinah Shore (U14984316) on Thursday, 22nd March 2012

    Helen wouldn't know about the idea of a family going on holiday together: hers never did.  Hers were the /only/ family that regularly went on holiday, as I remember it - they went to somewhere called "Borth.

    Eddie once gave the cows anti-biotics when he was covering for them to go on their Annual holiday.

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  • Message 23

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    Posted by Tomas_Bosque (U2631536) on Thursday, 22nd March 2012

    At least Sharon and family went on holiday to Menorca, which is certainly more upmarket than wherever Tony and Polpat last went - can't remember where, but I think it was Sharm El Sheikh.

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  • Message 24

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    Posted by Dinah Shore (U14984316) on Thursday, 22nd March 2012

    David and Ruth went to Egypt.

    Pat and Tony and John And Helen and Tommy went to Wales.

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  • Message 25

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    Posted by Tomas_Bosque (U2631536) on Thursday, 22nd March 2012

    David and Ruth went to Egypt.

    Pat and Tony and John And Helen and Tommy went to Wales.  
    No, if it wasn't Egypt it was Marmaris, Turkey's answer to Benidorm.

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  • Message 26

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    Posted by SredniVashtar07 (U9755761) on Thursday, 22nd March 2012

    Quite amazing !

    Both Looney and Sausage Boy cannot imagine that THEY can be treated just like they treat OTHERS !

    The Gods will not be mocked for ever.......





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  • Message 27

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    Posted by Dinah Shore (U14984316) on Thursday, 22nd March 2012

    David and ruth took the family to Sharm el sheik in Egypt on their only holiday.

    Part and Tony took their family on an annual holiday to Borth in Wales.

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  • Message 28

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    Posted by DracoM1 (U14252039) on Thursday, 22nd March 2012

    The truly terrible truth here is that the SWs clearly want to make us weep with TC and put an arm round her shoulder as Tom did. I hnestly beleive they think we are bound to synp0athise - poor Helen, life deals her another blow, and her brotyher stands besdie her and supports her.

    In fact, judging by the overwhelming number of hoorays for Sharon and boos for the BF4, the Sws are entirely wrong and have seriously miscalculated - as with Nigel/LoLo, as with TC/YMB /, as with e-coli and kids in hospital - i.e. a whole catalogue of hugely mistaken editorial decisions that seem so have united most of the audience hard against the TA brand. Maybe that's why a 'grace leave' has been instituted?

    This is the most loathsome SL in my memory of TA, and it is being pursued to the hilt as if it were only a soapy Mills and Boon, reunion and reconciliation tale story line. It's far more than that in its implications. The untouchability of Archers, the fact that no Archer fails, can be seen to fail, the sheer timidity of the SW team in meteing out significant trouble for the BF clan who have quite literally spread poison, damaged children yet seem remarkably unperturbed and strides on towards the sunlit uplands.

    That degree of sheer incredibility in every thread of TA unhinges loyalty in an audience,e and once it unfixes it, slides can happen. As I see it, that is what VW has progressively done over the last three years in a whole series of catastrophic miscalculations. And IMO the TA team are just about to compound the sense of distaste and contempt and do the same again if there is a 'reconciliation' SL, and the BF4 get their pernicious way.

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  • Message 29

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    Posted by sunnysakasredux (U14979019) on Thursday, 22nd March 2012

    Oh no Dinah David & his brood went to pretend Egypt that isn't Egypt which is why you don't have to pay an entry visa. Nothing wrong with Wales! Wales has some great beaches and a mountain with a little train.
    But seriously I expect RIch will come to play cricket and they will all coo about how he looks like the squashed one (before the tractor) and it will all be lovely! Not!
    Hellin has stalking tendencies do the s/ws not see this? Really how can anyone be expected to feel sorry for Hellin? She is an error too far!
    Since I remember listening she has run over Mike and then drove away.
    stalked that Ross bloke, stalked and tried to do a Misery on Annette, managed to buy a baybee, managed to not work at all etc...........
    before my time she apparently stalked the Rev !!!!!!! and was foul to Hayley. This is the second time the s/ws have had Hellin make a home visit to condescend and patronize (Clarrie) really soon they will sell no visits from the Lady Mad_Donna Hellin here please.
    xxx

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  • Message 30

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    Posted by returnmigration (U14260026) on Thursday, 22nd March 2012



    The last punch from Sharon should have been ;
    "At least I know who my son's father IS".

    I'd give serious money to hear that.

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  • Message 31

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    Posted by anna kist (U2314477) on Thursday, 22nd March 2012

    That would have been sublime.

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  • Message 32

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    Posted by sunnysakasredux (U14979019) on Thursday, 22nd March 2012

    Well yes it would have been funny and more in keeping with the Sharon Locki keeps talking about! Plus if it had been scripted by one of the writers of Shameless they would have probably had Sharon say that.
    But it will be alright for the Fair Plaguers in the end 'cos the lovely Hellin is considered so special by the s/ws and Pat well she just deserves another grandson to mess up.
    xxx

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  • Message 33

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    Posted by irene (U14262395) on Thursday, 22nd March 2012

    yes i toyed with that line, return! how marvellous that would have been. still, theres time for that yet, isnt there. come the gr'eat family gathering. thats if sharon is allowed to darken door, i suppose. no no you just drop him off and pop along to the pig arks, sharon. you'll find some potato peelings there, if you're hungry after that terrifying drive down from leeds'

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  • Message 34

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    Posted by Dinah Shore (U14984316) on Thursday, 22nd March 2012

    David said they were going to Egypt. I assumed they had.

    Someone said Helen had not been on a family holiday ever. I pointed out, they were the only family EVER to go on family holidays, they always went to Borth.

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  • Message 35

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    Posted by shulascat (U14737252) on Thursday, 22nd March 2012

    For heaven's sake Helen, just buy a racksac, put Henry inside, with a few T-shirts, take a year out and travel round the world. (Though I'm not sure what I am recommending she takes a year out from..) And you can take Brenda with you, though I imagine that either or both of you will be whining down the phone for Tom to bring you back by the time you reach Hollerton Junction.

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  • Message 36

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Thursday, 22nd March 2012

    David and that Archer family did go to Egypt, or at least if they didn't they went to another place of the same name: "Sharm el-Sheikh is a city situated on the southern tip of the Sinai Peninsula, in South Sinai Governorate, Egypt, on the coastal strip along the Red Sea." It belonged to Israel by right of conquest for a few years, but they gave it back in 1975 or so.

    I was the one who thought that Helen had no idea what a family holiday might be like; if she has had a family holiday every year of her life until she went away to college, she has *no* excuse for being crass about the holiday snaps as well as all the rest. I hadn't remembered Borth.

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  • Message 37

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    Posted by alanis (U2256129) on Thursday, 22nd March 2012

    What, you mean you're not proud of Helen?? But she did everything she could! It's not her fault Sharon is stupid and self centred, and hasn't yet understood that it's her /duty/ to heal the Bridge Farm trauma by sacrificing her son.

    But she will, in the end.


    That's what I'm afraid of anyway. I don't like how this is panning out.

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  • Message 38

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    Posted by soobeesomewhere_or_other_soon (U14156736) on Thursday, 22nd March 2012

    I think I *do* like how this is panning out, alanis. It's so horrible that I have just listened again to reassure myself. A real glorious wake-up call for those who thought Helen had become normal. Cos' she hasn't - she's remains an inadequate, selfish, patronising control freak who considers nobody's concerns to be anything like as important as hers. I am soooooo happy.
    Soo

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  • Message 39

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    Posted by sunnysakasredux (U14979019) on Thursday, 22nd March 2012

    Ciao bella sooxxx Tu sei una stella (soo is a star modds!) when you talk about the Brutta figura (nasty anything modds) Hellina the unlovely Mad_Donna. I don't think Sharon was rude enough really. Hellin is such a barking balconyxx Only Tom could be proud of her why? 'cos he is as deluded as she is.
    Have a lovely afternoonx Off to hear what the Happy Hackers thought about it all.
    xxx

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  • Message 40

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    Posted by soobeesomewhere_or_other_soon (U14156736) on Thursday, 22nd March 2012

    Ciao, sunny. It's so hearteneing to be able to get my teeth back into Helen. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
    (I can understand the Italian, but I don't know, apart from inference, what a balcony is. Will I regret asking?)
    Have a lovely day - bright sunshine and *warmth* in Northumberland, today.
    Soo, tanti baci xxxx

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    Posted by soobeesomewhere_or_other_soon (U14156736) on Thursday, 22nd March 2012

    Oops - new keyboard typos.
    Soo x

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  • Message 42

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    Posted by irene (U14262395) on Thursday, 22nd March 2012

    her cousin, kate, you remember, shulascat, the free spirit, tried that one, with feebs. . that didnt work either.

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  • Message 43

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    Posted by sunnysakasredux (U14979019) on Thursday, 22nd March 2012

    Hi again soox (one of the hackers has lost her hat! so I am checking on the sick horse the one I tried to cheer up by playing Hellin wailing!)Fuori come un balcone outside like a balcony modds, an expression my grandad uses means extremely crazy! So balcony is just shorthand for someone that is on the outside of normality.
    Anyway have to goxxxxx glad to hear it is sunny up northxxxx say hello to the angel for me sometimexxx

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  • Message 44

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    Posted by hiya_loxley (U2274305) on Thursday, 22nd March 2012

    < And you even managed some cheap emoptional blackmail! Well done you! Come here! >

    Love it! Well done.

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  • Message 45

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    Posted by alanis (U2256129) on Thursday, 22nd March 2012

    Yes, that's how she came across to me too, Soo - but then we know how she really is, don't we?

    I just hope the SWs know her as well as we all do, and I've been disappointed too many times, I'm afraid of getting my hopes dashed yet again.

    Here's hoping you're right!!

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  • Message 46

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    Posted by soobeesomewhere_or_other_soon (U14156736) on Thursday, 22nd March 2012

    I hope I'm right too, alanis, or else I'll end up like one of sunny's balconies!
    Soo

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  • Message 47

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    Posted by Cuddly Giant Squid (U14994690) on Thursday, 22nd March 2012

    I've just listened. DOn't join the diplomatic service Helen. 

    On the contrary. I think that Helen should immediately play a principal role in every diplomatic relationship that the UK maintains.

    The consequent boost to the defence industry sector of the economy would sort out all our fiscal worries in short order.

    Move over, Ban Ki-moon, Helen's here to take charge.

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  • Message 48

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    Posted by JacksParakeetBeingDe-Nested (U2979858) on Thursday, 22nd March 2012

    "Sublime" doesn't begin to do it justice, returnmigration. That will forever be one of the TA lines I most wish had been spoken. Thank you!

    jp

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  • Message 49

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    Posted by JacksParakeetBeingDe-Nested (U2979858) on Thursday, 22nd March 2012

    I spent a few decades in HM Diplomatic Service, and remember a few helenish people. The job attracts people with a keen awareness (Justified or not) of their importance to society, as well as people with a sense of vocstion and a desire to help do something worthwhile. So she would not be unique in an embassy, but would feel out of things as it doesn't go down well to insist on your way or the highway. That said, she's been down the road to Damascus so many times that it's probably on her Oyster card (note for rural readers: a modern plastic train ticket).

    jp

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  • Message 50

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    Posted by joe (U13868420) on Thursday, 22nd March 2012

    Anyone consider that TC & SLT are being a bit more devious than we give them credit for?

    Up to Christmas, both were totally opposed to any contact with Rich.

    In light of Tony's heart attack, they have a sudden change of heart.

    Now, despite* TC's diplomatic efforts, there's a fair chance that there will /never/ be any further contact.

    No more worries about their inheritance, with the added benefit that when their parents find out it'll probably kill Tony (before there's time to change his will) and send Pat so far east on the District Line that any question of "sound mind" would be laughed out of court.



    *read: "because of"

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