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  • Message 1. 

    Posted by Bruxanna Grips With Her Heels In A Galloping Trot (U13759521) on Wednesday, 29th February 2012

    ...has gone right up in my estimation.

    And the way he and David put everything aside and just got stuck in - priorities and all that jazz.

    I have a lot of time for posh landed gentry not afraid to get their hands dirty.

    ''Put me in the van and point me in the right direction''

    Best line of the night for me.

    What a guy!


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  • Message 2

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    Posted by Stephen (U14346472) on Wednesday, 29th February 2012

    Yes, I'd expected him to send one of the farmhands round.

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  • Message 3

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    Posted by Athena Ergane (U14927530) on Wednesday, 29th February 2012

    Brian can behave well in a crisis and seems to enjoy getting involved. He helped out quite a bit at Brookfield when David was spending so much time at LL.

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  • Message 4

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    Posted by sunnysakasredux (U14979019) on Wednesday, 29th February 2012

    Yes Brian rocks! Shame he didn't point the van in the direction of the lazy spineless Tom on his way out though! Only joking not!
    xxx

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  • Message 5

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    Posted by Perkin Warbeck is not a cannibal (U14797366) on Wednesday, 29th February 2012

    Brian keeps his head in a crisis, provided it isn't a 'Lady crisis'

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  • Message 6

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    Posted by JOSP01 (U14843327) on Wednesday, 29th February 2012

    I hope they frisked him for PR material for the megadairy before they gave him the addresses of their veg box customers!

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  • Message 7

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    Posted by Anglo-Norman (U1965016) on Wednesday, 29th February 2012

    Brian's wonderful, easily my favourite character (and so beautifully played by Charles Collingwood). Caddish and a philanderer (lovely words!) though he can be, he's great in a crisis and has a good heart in his way.

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  • Message 8

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    Posted by NotsoTinyTim (U2256329) on Wednesday, 29th February 2012

    The way that Brine kept his head when he found that Greg had not kept *his* head on the top of his body was admirable.

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  • Message 9

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    Posted by sunnysakasredux (U14979019) on Wednesday, 29th February 2012

    The way that Brine kept his head when he found that Greg had not kept *his* head on the top of his body was admirable.  OMG! I remember that it was on a sunday I was in Dorset I must have been about 10! Brian stopped Will going in, he didn't want WIll to see Greg like that. I can think of so many things that I like Brian for, he is the character that I remember the most throughout my childhood. The only thing I don't like about him was the way he upset Alice just as she was about to take her A-levels.
    Wow! The archers must really bury itself deep in the psyche I can remember that like it was yesterday. Brian has always been ok with Will, stood up to Matt. Yes I really like Brian a lot.
    xxx

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  • Message 10

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    Posted by Angela Stepney (U15123321) on Wednesday, 29th February 2012

    Brian's wonderful, easily my favourite character (and so beautifully played by Charles Collingwood). Caddish and a philanderer (lovely words!) though he can be, he's great in a crisis and has a good heart in his way.   Well it's certainly a bit better than his brother in laws at the moment!

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  • Message 11

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    Posted by Dinah Shore (U14984316) on Wednesday, 29th February 2012

    Just like when Tony and David rallied round at Home Farm when Siobhan caused Brian's car crash and he wasn't able to farm.

    Just like when Eddie and Tony and everyone rallied round when the cow lay on David and he wasn't able to farm.

    Just like David rallied round when Nige died, and so did the rest of them. It is what famerlea DO.

    Brian also fitted Pat and Tony's kitchen when their builders went bust. Grudgingly told you that one.

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  • Message 12

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    Posted by Purple_Hay (U14319650) on Wednesday, 29th February 2012

    Especially after what Tony said to him earlier, top man, take note Adam.

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  • Message 13

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    Posted by Froginasock (U14272821) on Wednesday, 29th February 2012

    He's a cad, but he's OUR cad.

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  • Message 14

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    Posted by Now Locking for a house (U3261819) on Wednesday, 29th February 2012

    Brian was cruel to Jenny over Shove and Ruari.

    I loathe him.

    He represents the very worst of 'masculinity'.

    What's the big deal abput packing a few veg boxes compared to his behaviour to his wife? Why does he stay with a woman he so obviously despises? What sort of a man does that?

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  • Message 15

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    Posted by Now Locking for a house (U3261819) on Wednesday, 29th February 2012

    ....of course, men's treatment of women doesn't matter. It's how he treats his farming neighbours that makes him a 'good man'. Pah!

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  • Message 16

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    Posted by Auntie Molly (U14110968) on Wednesday, 29th February 2012

    Brian was also very good with Jack when he was still living at home and giving Peggy trouble, as was Matt (good with Jack I mean, not giving Peggy trouble). Still think he's a cad though!

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  • Message 17

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    Posted by Purple_Hay (U14319650) on Wednesday, 29th February 2012

    More power to his tassels.

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  • Message 18

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    Posted by Now Locking for a house (U3261819) on Wednesday, 29th February 2012

    Yes, the way the two men were shown to be the only ones that could cope with Jack while the women pratted around was very annoying.

    Of course, Brine's treatment of Jeck wasn't treatment of a woman!

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  • Message 19

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Wednesday, 29th February 2012

    I think it is possible for a man to be a cad and still be a good neighbour; the two things don't seem to me to be mutually incompatible.

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  • Message 20

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    Posted by Cuddly Giant Squid (U14994690) on Wednesday, 29th February 2012

    I also love to loathe Brian. A big heart, and an even bigger todger.


    Just like David rallied round when Nige died 


    Yes, but in fairness, David *did* murder him, and needed to allay suspicion.

    *schlorps off, with BIG wooden spoon in his beak*

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  • Message 21

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    Posted by Bruxanna Grips With Her Heels In A Galloping Trot (U13759521) on Wednesday, 29th February 2012

    Absolutely.

    He's a cad and a bounder.

    He's sexist, and possibly homophobic.

    He's a letch and a dirty old man.

    When it comes to women, he has just about zero respect for them - he's a liar, devious, unfaithful, vain and treats them like dirt, and thinks they are there just to fawn all over him, sucumb to his charms, only to be tossed aside.

    But let's give credit where credit it due.

    When it's all hands on the pumps, Brian is there, and willing to get into a postman pat van and deliver veggy boxes.

    Respect.

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  • Message 22

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    Posted by Now Locking for a house (U3261819) on Wednesday, 29th February 2012

    Doesn't seem much to me. Compared to all his manipulation of everyone.

    You can bet he isn't doing it out of altruism.

    His ego ensured he bring his son to his house but he has done little to participate in the reality of him. I'm not sure if he would have been so keen to install another daughter in his home.

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  • Message 23

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    Posted by Cuddly Giant Squid (U14994690) on Wednesday, 29th February 2012

    Why does he stay with a woman he so obviously despises? What sort of a man does that? 

    Equally, one might ask why Jenny stays with a rich man like Brian.

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  • Message 24

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    Posted by Bruxanna Grips With Her Heels In A Galloping Trot (U13759521) on Wednesday, 29th February 2012

    What these women see in a multi-millionaire farming land owner is beyond me.

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  • Message 25

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    Posted by mick-the-miller (U15121006) on Thursday, 1st March 2012

    Absolutely.

    He's a cad and a bounder.

    He's sexist, and possibly homophobic.

    He's a letch and a dirty old man.........

    Respect.  
    I hear what you say!

    What I can't understand is why 'Good Old Brian' hasn't had a go at the Fragrant Annabelle.

    You know how it is - a Borchester Land Board Meeting, few drinks afterwards, spot of dinner - Bob's your Uncle, Charlies your Aunt!!.

    I mean can you imagine the fall out from that - it could go Global!!!!

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  • Message 26

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    Posted by Lee Shore (U14673711) on Thursday, 1st March 2012

    But will this give him a change of heart over the mega dairy? I do hope not. To do so will leave Ambridge as a backward looking bucollic farming community suspicious of anything that whiffs of modern business practice, profits and investment for the future.

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  • Message 27

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    Posted by The Leech Pedlar (U15129703) on Thursday, 1st March 2012

    What does she see in him/his bank account you mean. ; )


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  • Message 28

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    Posted by The Leech Pedlar (U15129703) on Thursday, 1st March 2012

    What I can't understand is why 'Good Old Brian' hasn't had a go at the Fragrant Annabelle.</quote>

    Perhaps - to use a great phrase somebody used on here a couple of weeks ago (which I can't find) - Annabelle bats for Darrington.

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  • Message 29

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    Posted by Athena Ergane (U14927530) on Thursday, 1st March 2012

    <quote postid='111864269'>What I can't understand is why 'Good Old Brian' hasn't had a go at the Fragrant Annabelle.</quote>

    Perhaps - to use a great phrase somebody used on here a couple of weeks ago (which I can't find) - Annabelle bats for Darrington.
    </quote>Annabelle lets Brian flirt with her and indulge his fantasy of being irresistible to a woman like her while Brian knows (although he would never admit it) that she would have him for breakfast (actually a passing snack - she is well out of his league)

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  • Message 30

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    Posted by pollyanna (U7304225) on Thursday, 1st March 2012

    [Brian can behave well in a crisis and seems to enjoy getting involved. He helped out quite a bit at Brookfield when David was spending so much time at LL.]

    Yes that's right Angela, Brian gets on with practical, useful stuff in an emergency while Jennifer just twitters and makes a big fuss that is essentially about herself - she needed to visit Tony more for her own sake than his, to make herself feel better and offload her guilt. In reality Tony will still be feeling pretty exhausted and would probably have preferred to only have visits from Pat and the 'children', not his over wrought needy sister.

    I don't like Brian but I know he has some redeeming qualities that his dippy wife totally lacks.

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  • Message 31

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    Posted by pollyanna (U7304225) on Thursday, 1st March 2012

    Athena, I am so sorry, I've addressed you as Angela. Head not quite awake yet it seems. Many apologies.

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  • Message 32

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    Posted by binocular (U10832169) on Thursday, 1st March 2012

    All I can say Brux is. One swallow......

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  • Message 33

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    Posted by Anglo-Norman (U1965016) on Thursday, 1st March 2012

    and has a good heart in his way 

    Well it's certainly a bit better than his brother in laws at the moment! 

    Yes, on reflection perhaps not the best choice of words on my part!

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  • Message 34

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    Posted by Angela Stepney (U15123321) on Thursday, 1st March 2012

    I knew what you meant!
    Although it's not very often you hear that said about Brian!

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  • Message 35

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    Posted by NotsoTinyTim (U2256329) on Thursday, 1st March 2012

    < All I can say Brux is. One swallow...... >

    Please, no more rumours about Brine's relationship with Annabelle.

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  • Message 36

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    Posted by SredniVashtar07 (U9755761) on Thursday, 1st March 2012

    Always has been one of the good guys whatever one may make of his views on farming / money / infidelity etc.



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  • Message 37

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    Posted by returnmigration (U14260026) on Thursday, 1st March 2012


    However ........

    When it was first suggested he do the Veg Boxes, I got the distinct feeling that he had only asked in order to be told 'No actually Brian, we are fine' and was a bit alarmed that he then had to DO something.

    I'm sure he'll alert the Borchester Guardian so that they get a picture of 'feuding family all pull together over crisis' etc. The PR fall-out could be very positive .....

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  • Message 38

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    Posted by pollyanna (U7304225) on Thursday, 1st March 2012

    Oh snork Sredn. He's one of the good guys despite being duplicitous, scheming, a liar, power mad, money obsessed, a user.......

    ......just like Jack the Ripper was probably a topping chap who just happened to liked to occasionally horribly murder a woman or two, but after all, we all have our little flaws.

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  • Message 39

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    Posted by Dinah Shore (U14984316) on Thursday, 1st March 2012

    I think it is perfectly possible to separate the way Brian treats women, and the way he is ALWAYS ready to help out. That is irrelevant, and sexual peccadilloes are easily forgotten.

    I looked it up, the Bonnetti Brothers failed to install the BF kitchen, Brian stepped in and did all the electrics.
    Brian helped out after John died (as did others).
    Brian helped at Brookfield after David was cowed on New Year's Eve.
    Brian helped out Ruth when David was at Lower Loxley, and Ruth couldn't cope.

    I cannot remember Jenny ever trying to lend a hand to anyone. Let alone four easily recalled instances.


    (I loathe the persona, but he deserves credit for his good side, just as I scorn him for his many, many failings)

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  • Message 40

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    Posted by pollyanna (U7304225) on Thursday, 1st March 2012

    Dinah I hate to disagree with you, but I feel having a child with your lover whilst pretending to your wife that you are in a monogonous relationship with her, then foisting that child on your wife to raise (and it is Jennifer who is raising Rauiri, Brian has totally reneged on his promise to completely share the parenting and to more or less retire) when your lover dies, is slightly more than a sexual peccadilloes. And not easily forgotten, since Rauiri remains as a constant reminder.

    But I also think he is duplicitous and manipulative in his business dealings, power hungry - hence his inability to take a back seat at BL - and just plain financially greedy, hence the mega dairy which I think in his heart of hearts he knows is wrong but can hide behind Debbie's almost manic drive to make it happen and let her take the majority of the flack.

    So yes, he clearly has some good basic instincts, such as helping out when its no skin of his nose and he loses nothing by doing so, but when it comes to a bigger picture, say putting small farmers out of business for the sake of him making a few mill more - he'd do it at a heart beat.

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  • Message 41

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    Posted by Now Locking for a house (U3261819) on Thursday, 1st March 2012

    I agree Polly.

    Dinah I actually think the dichotomy of Brian's character is just very bad characterisation. I'm not entirely sure that a 'Good Samaritan' (Ha) like Brian would treat his wife like he did at the time of the affair and aftermath and on a general basis both before and after these.

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  • Message 42

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    Posted by Now Locking for a house (U3261819) on Thursday, 1st March 2012

    Brian's total lack of regard for the feelings of a wife of long standing when he asked her to do something that was beyond unreasonable and the limits of most of us was not the action of a good person.

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  • Message 43

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    Posted by Ruralrambler (U11117592) on Thursday, 1st March 2012

    All very fine, but what about Ruari's welfare?

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  • Message 44

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    Posted by Mustafa Grumble (U8596785) on Thursday, 1st March 2012

    Locki, Brian never stopped loving Jenny - he simply loved Siobhan as well. And Jenny never really stopped loving Brian.

    When Siobhan died, the (only and) most appropriate person for Ruairi to live with was his father - as recognised & desired by Siobhan, wanted by Brian, and grudgingly accepted by Jenny.

    Had Jenny said 'no', she knew that his commitment to bringing up Ruairi would entail the end of their marriage - something neither of them wanted. It was a horribly difficult thing Brian asked of Jenny, but certainly not 'beyond unreasonable'.

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  • Message 45

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    Posted by anna kist (U2314477) on Thursday, 1st March 2012

    Agreed Polly. JD didn't even bring over a casserole for them. What a waste of space she is!

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  • Message 46

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    Posted by Ginslinger Redux (U14830013) on Thursday, 1st March 2012

    There are people who do the world for everyone but their long suffering spouses. They may not do anything as major as saddle them with a by blow to raise but I do know of people like that. HAve lovely friend who is warm and generous in her own right but she just got fed up of her partner putting everyone else first and they went their separate ways. Much easier if you don't have children to gether and are financially independent but it boils down to a personal decision of how much you are willing to compromise your own needs and self worth for material security, status, whatever,

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  • Message 47

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    Posted by Now Locking for a house (U3261819) on Thursday, 1st March 2012

    Rural, I am not only speaking of Brian's actions but his lack of concern about Jenny's anguish at the time. If Brian was a truly good person, he would not have found himself in the situation of having to ask his wife to do what few would do. Particularly at that age Jenny was. If people think
    his affair , conception of a child and later demand and terms were reasonable, I don't know what they would think unreasonable demands of a late middle aged- and long term wife were. A wife who had already raised 4 children. Brian's lack of empathy towards Jenny at the time is my main objection to him.

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  • Message 48

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Thursday, 1st March 2012

    It is possible for someone who behaves badly in one respect to behave well in another.

    People who assault children quite often love their mothers, for example. Not all fraudsters also bite the heads off hamsters!

    I see no reason to think that because Brian had a sexual liaison ten years ago he cannot volunteer to help his brother-in-law's family when his brother-in-law has had a heart attack, even if the last time he saw said brother-in-law he was verbally assaulted by him.

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  • Message 49

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    Posted by Ruralrambler (U11117592) on Thursday, 1st March 2012

    Of course it wasn't reasonable of Brian, the whole situation was absolutely outrageous!

    But the fact remained that Ruari existed, and he had no other living parent. What was Brian supposed to do?

    Send him to live with a grandmother or an aunt, neither of whom really wanted to know, and against the child's dying mother's express wishes? It was an appalling position for the child and IMO Brian was actually right to put his welfare first, as Jenny and Alice were then adults - they too suffered but were in a better place to cope than a small child.

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  • Message 50

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    Posted by Ginslinger Redux (U14830013) on Thursday, 1st March 2012

    But surely everyone did realise it was unreasonable and unfair...grossly so and of course a faithful husband would not have got in that situation. But fidelity isn't the sole definition of goodness.... a husband could be faithful but violent and his fidelity woiuld not redeem that,

    But faced with the actuality of the child left without a mother would Brian have been a better person if he had abandonned Ruairi to the care of the state or an aunt who didn't want him? Should he have taken the decision out of Jenny's hands and made a unilateral decision to end the marriage with the huge consequences that would have had?

    He did choose ultimately Jenny over Siobhan whilke she was alive but it the situation that existed when Siobhan was dying then his primary responsibility was to Ruairi. So utterly unreasonable to ask but I don't think there was an alternative at that point that would have made him a better person.

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