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  • Message 51

    , in reply to message 48.

    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Saturday, 25th February 2012

    Perhaps reminding people that there is a difference between accident and intent may have been a bit of a mistake.

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  • Message 52

    , in reply to message 48.

    Posted by BlackSheepBoy (U11150138) on Saturday, 25th February 2012

    It was a typical TA meeting. It starts with a statement from the platform, and from then on a free-for-all ensues. Remarks are made backwards and forwards, tempers rise, and in all the disorder the chairman is nowhere to be found.

    Towards any solid purpose, last nights meeting was a waste of time. But Brian seemed to think BL had come out of it alright, and I am inclined to agree. BL addded nothing to what was already known, but it was an opportunity to make their pitch again.

    If anything Pat managed to improve it for them. She has assumed the role of coordinator of the opposition, but her performance was like an ill-controlled rant, with personal animosity clear to see . If I had been an "undecided" attending the meeting to clear up my position, her demeanour alone would have steered me away from her cause.

    Ruth's contribution was probably the most convincing from the opposition side. Unfortunately, however, it was convincing on factors which will carry no weight in a business boardroom, and be irrelevant in a planning meeting. Good words, but sorry, no effect.

    In summary, An example of how not to fight a megadairy

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  • Message 53

    , in reply to message 52.

    Posted by JoinedPeetsBoard_Smeesues_too (U14519481) on Saturday, 25th February 2012

    Ed made the best comment regarding opposition - concerning roads. I think the Village regard him now as a family man with responsibilities - and sensibly will not remember his bad-boy days ..
    JPBS

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  • Message 54

    , in reply to message 53.

    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Saturday, 25th February 2012

    The trouble with Ed's message was that it was completely ignored by everyone except Ruth. What he said was, "What about the traffic? The lanes round here, they're narrow. I have to move cows on them twice a day. There's bound to be loads of traffic while the unit's being built, that could be dangerous. And there'll be lorries going to and fro all day long once it's set up, that'll be a daily hazard for my herd. And my livelihood. So much for me not being effected." And Rutgh said "Hear hear! Well said, Ed" and then Pat butted in with "and who's to say you won't want to increase the size", Brian said "that's scaremongering" and Neil moved it on.

    This was very stupid of Pat, and absolutely in line with her general level of brightness at that meeting.

    Of course they couldn't possibly say whether the thing was anywhere near Grange Farm or the Estate land Ed rents...

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  • Message 55

    , in reply to message 28.

    Posted by JacksParakeetBeingDe-Nested (U2979858) on Saturday, 25th February 2012

    Thanks for reminding me of the details of the planning application, Chris. With the benefit of hindsight, it seems curious that the Chairman and secretary of a developer would meet the council to establish what is required in an application: BL must have engaged an architect for Cowditz, even if it is buying a ready-made milk factory from AgriIKEA; and will probably engaged a specialist planning consultant too. Either of these people would know the form for what needs to be provided, and even if they wanted to check details with the council, they don't need a company Chairman. Far better to keep him in reserve for schmoozing planning dept functionaries who will make the recommendation. So I suppose the meeting must have had a dramatic purpose, namely to fuel the spat Brian had with Tony before he went.

    In a wider context (aka Big Picture!) BL will be able to say it had gone to the trouble of meeting locals to discuss the thing, and Neil may claim some brownie points for holding it (fewer if it's built, more if it isn't).

    jp

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  • Message 56

    , in reply to message 33.

    Posted by JacksParakeetBeingDe-Nested (U2979858) on Saturday, 25th February 2012

    AP, Ed's point was not actually about after, only during, the building, drat it. I don't think it was graced with any reply in particular.  I was sure Ed added a rider to his comment about traffic during construction with something along the lines of "and after it's open, too".

    It was lost rather, because his voice was tailing off at that point. A pityt, because that would be a point planners would have to consider, but which we have no clarity on given the lack of precision about where the thing is to be sited.

    jp

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  • Message 57

    , in reply to message 56.

    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Saturday, 25th February 2012

    You were right, jp: Ed did indeed point out that there would be lorries all day long once the unit was built. I apologise for the mistake: I could remember no reaction to it. What happened was Ruth said, "Hear hear! Well said, Ed!" and Pat said, "Yes, and what if you decide to increase the size in two or three years?" and got ruled out of order at Brian's expostulation, so Ed's point was lost.

    This confirms my general feeling that Pat is rather stupid.

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  • Message 58

    , in reply to message 57.

    Posted by sunnysakasredux (U14979019) on Saturday, 25th February 2012

    Pat has opinions chris but she doesn't listen to anyone else's pov ever.
    Great post jp! It was the first episode I have listened to for ages! Debbie has problems imo! David was great when he put her (Debbie) down.
    great post jp! There would be a lot of lorries but as Brian said over his land???????? Are they going to fill in the fishing lake then?
    Why wasn't Hellin looking after that bought cheesus of hers???????
    xxxx

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  • Message 59

    , in reply to message 58.

    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Saturday, 25th February 2012

    I was rather horribly unsure that what David said to Debbie was a put-down. I had a nasty feeling it might have been straight, and that he was hoping to have a quiet talk with her before she vanished and try to find out what exactly was in it for Brookfield if they went over to growing feed for her megadairy.

    He ought to know better than to think that she wouldn't rob him blind if she possibly could, just as she and her family did over the biodigester when David was planning to set that up and then it gradually got taken over.

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  • Message 60

    , in reply to message 59.

    Posted by sunnysakasredux (U14979019) on Saturday, 25th February 2012

    Well Chris I didn't hear it that way. The actor who plays David is posh and I know a posh put down when I hear it! I think David was very short with Debbie Price Tag! But knowing the s/ws at the moment maybe your take on it is the correct one. Thanks for posting so quickly on the speech thing that I can't spell! I have tried a few variations and the computer keeps saying no!
    I prefer Ruth's quiet measured voice btw!
    Debbie really is nasty now! Was she always like this?
    I have finished all my work and am going out again! So hope you have fun posting tonight all of youxxxxxxx

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  • Message 61

    , in reply to message 60.

    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Saturday, 25th February 2012

    When Debbie was being betrayed by every man she chose to sleep with she was a far less abrasive and money-grubbing person.

    Is the word you are talking about "anthropomorphising"? It probably wants you to ize it.

    It's like the anthropophagi, a good word to play with. That one led to my dog (who had skin mites and chewed at himself for a while) being called "the autophagous hound" by my Respected Pa.

    Too late now, but I hope you have a good time this evening. Oxford is one of the really good places to be young in.

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  • Message 62

    , in reply to message 61.

    Posted by sunnysakasredux (U14979019) on Saturday, 25th February 2012

    Well no it is the speech thing! ROFLWST! I really am carp at spelling!!!! I am supposed to be a bit dyslexic but I don't think I am I just can't spell in any language!!! I couldn't spell the anthropomorphising thing either! I agree with you about Oxford it is fun!!
    Going now just females take so long to make decisions and as it's a multi gender outing we are just waiting! I guess that is sexist but really even the Italian part of me (vain and clothes sure) can't deal with the what shoes to wear thing!!!
    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

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  • Message 63

    , in reply to message 62.

    Posted by JoinedPeetsBoard_Smeesues_too (U14519481) on Saturday, 25th February 2012

    I think the word was "soliloquy" - Sunny?**

    As to the meeting - I guess that was an informal exchange of views. The objections will have to be formally presented in a prescribed way ..

    I just hope that Pat doesn't organise it as she did the changes to the village shop ..
    JPBS
    **spelling checked by google in the top right hand corner of this web page (Safari browser)

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  • Message 64

    , in reply to message 42.

    Posted by Lee Shore (U14673711) on Saturday, 25th February 2012

    I am having trouble finding Home Farm on Google Earth. there is a dinky map on the ML webiste but that seems to run out or jam so the eatstern extent of this ranch cannot be seen. You seem to have a more detailed knowledge of the district so you might be living there. You have the advantage over me as I am having to imagine things.

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  • Message 65

    , in reply to message 64.

    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Saturday, 25th February 2012

    Lee, I have a Magnetic North map of both Ambridge and Borchester District. Very unfair.

    The website map is not a good one. It shows Lower Loxley Hall as opposite the Hillside flats, and the Am simply stops just beside it. I assure you that neither is the fact! Lower Loxley Hall is and always has been in the village of Lower Loxley, about 2 miles away as the crow flies and more like 3 by road, on the far side of the Am.

    But even on the website map, none of the roads shown is indicated as even a B road, let alone a major one. The place is full of lanes.

    Consider this though: there are *three* road-bridges over the Am at Ambridge, not to mention a footbridge and two fords. How likely it that, would you suppose, for a village of 300 (in 1965)? And how likely is it that they are strong enough for large lorries? Hmmm....

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  • Message 66

    , in reply to message 1.

    Posted by Elasticwoman (U14774739) on Saturday, 25th February 2012

    I thought it was a good episode, that Village Meeting.

    So often there is stuff on TA which could happen anywhere, town or country, but this was an issue which went to the heart of the matter.
    Farming happens in the country, but should it be allowed to become Big Business in order to feed the maximum number of people, or adhere to other values to do with environment, animal welfare etc?

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  • Message 67

    , in reply to message 66.

    Posted by JoinedPeetsBoard_Smeesues_too (U14519481) on Saturday, 25th February 2012

    I also thought it was good ... a few smooth speeches clearly setting out the whys and wherefores wouldn't have been realistic IMHO.

    People getting shouty and irrational and nasty - much more realistic ..
    JPBS

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  • Message 68

    , in reply to message 65.

    Posted by The Leech Pedlar (U15129703) on Sunday, 26th February 2012

    But even on the website map, none of the roads shown is indicated as even a B road, let alone a major one. The place is full of lanes. 

    This is a good point. Trucks travelling to and from HF don't really have any option other than through the village and over the bridge(s).

    Until recently there were three maps of the area you could download to use as 'desktop wallpaper' on your computer, one of these shows the larger area, including the relationship to Borchester, Felpersham etc.

    The nearest 'A' roads are to the North of the Am (A1992/A9110 as shown on map). All other roads in the area are 'B' roads, or unclassified country lanes - including all of those aroung HF.

    Interestingly, Lower Loxley (the village and where you would expect the Hall to be, is off to the East of Home Farm.

    Perhaps that little inconvenience is why those maps are no longer downloadable. ; )


    Lower Loxley Hall - the place with get up and go.


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  • Message 69

    , in reply to message 48.

    Posted by simplefuneralbloke (U14708163) on Sunday, 26th February 2012

    Loved it.. BL know how to train their staff properly in the art of hand washing and cleaning.

    Whose ice-cream would you prefer. BL or Bridge Farm?

    I'd take mine from the mega-dairy.

    Brilliant Brine swatted her like a fly, she's a hateful old misery, as is Tony.

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  • Message 70

    , in reply to message 1.

    Posted by SteveKills (U14949122) on Sunday, 26th February 2012



    I can already hear WR bellowing

    "WILL NO-ONE THINK OF THE CEWS"

    and JD shrieking

    "CALM DOWN BRINE DAHHHLLING"


    I may give it a miss not sure my nerves can stand it. 
    WR traded her stage bellow for her almost in tears/gorwin' mud with froostrairshun voice. I think they need I heart free range coooz T shirts and some coooz frollicking on a Youtube web-page and the mega-dairy will be dead in the water within a week.

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  • Message 71

    , in reply to message 68.

    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Sunday, 26th February 2012

    I can still download one of those maps, Leechers, though it is not as useful as it might be because it doesn't cover a wide enough area. On the other hand it doesn't have things actually wrong, like a river simply stopping (maybe the Am runs for a bit through caverns measureless to man into the River Perch) or a house in completely the wrong place.

    www.bbc.co.uk/radio4... still has one of the wallpaper maps. How you get to it from this page without having that link bookmarked I have no idea.

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  • Message 72

    , in reply to message 70.

    Posted by Norma (U2334558) on Sunday, 26th February 2012



    I can already hear WR bellowing

    "WILL NO-ONE THINK OF THE CEWS"

    and JD shrieking

    "CALM DOWN BRINE DAHHHLLING"


    I may give it a miss not sure my nerves can stand it. 
    WR traded her stage bellow for her almost in tears/gorwin' mud with froostrairshun voice. I think they need I heart free range coooz T shirts and some coooz frollicking on a Youtube web-page and the mega-dairy will be dead in the water within a week. 
    Try this one

    www.youtube.com/watc...

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  • Message 73

    , in reply to message 71.

    Posted by The Leech Pedlar (U15129703) on Sunday, 26th February 2012

    Good find, Chris. That is indeed one of the maps I had in mind.
    Better yet, you can get the other map from the same location, even though it's not listed for download.

    With the URL shortcut you gave in your browser's address bar, replace ambridge_1024

    with

    borsetshire_1024.

    Leave everything else the same and you get the county map.

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  • Message 74

    , in reply to message 73.

    Posted by The Leech Pedlar (U15129703) on Sunday, 26th February 2012

    The Borsetshire map is here:

    www.bbc.co.uk/radio4...

    Another version of the village is here:

    www.bbc.co.uk/radio4...

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  • Message 75

    , in reply to message 74.

    Posted by AP (U14268795) on Sunday, 26th February 2012

    Thank you for the links Leech. Ambridge appears to be on a largish B road, ripe for Borchester land to upgrade to cope with its lorries.

    I understand the welfare and blot on the landscape views but I think the traffic would be my biggest argument against the dairy. The safety and quality of life of a large number of people will be affected. Walking, riding and cycling on the lanes will reduce and locals will take to their cars increasing the traffic further.

    Bitter? Moi? Well no, large trucks can no longer use the road I live on, the number of cyclists and walkers has increased, the house no longer shakes and the garden is much pleasanter.

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  • Message 76

    , in reply to message 74.

    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Sunday, 26th February 2012

    Brilliant! Thank you.

    I have all three on paper, but hadn't got them in the machine any more.

    The ones on paper are square so you get a bit more at top and bottom, but not enough is missing to be seriously nuisancy.

    There is another map, an Archers Avddicts one, published in 1992; it has west at the top. That also has "A guide to the Farms, Houses and other landmarks of Britain's best known village" inside a cover. Apparently Brookfield started out at 100 acres in 1917...

    I love the illustration of "mellow brick" Glebe Cottage, clearly shown with a tiled roof, while the text reveals that the thatch couldn't be renewed by Mark and Shula (living there then) until a colony of bats had moved on. No wonder Mark let the Ambridge Tree get him: he was worrying about how to re-thatch a tiled roof.

    I live off a culdesac off a culdesac. so I don't get through traffic. And there seems little chance the road will ever be lengthened, because there are a lot of houses in the way at the blind end, and they are accessed from a different road and don't want this one. I won't say we chose the place for that -- the pub at the open end of the road didn't have anything to do withit, honest! -- but it does make living here more pleasant than it might be if traffic came past all the time.

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  • Message 77

    , in reply to message 75.

    Posted by The Leech Pedlar (U15129703) on Sunday, 26th February 2012

    Not just the road/lanes which will need upgrading. Drainage from the wider roads (probably at the moment, just draining to ditches) will need improving and the bridges (or at least one of them, will almost certainly need replacement to cope with the larger trucks.

    Most of that would have to be done before they can even think about bringing in construction equipment for the mega-farm itself.

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  • Message 78

    , in reply to message 77.

    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Sunday, 26th February 2012

    I suppose if it is south of the Am they could bring everything in along the road from Waterley Cross (that's the B3991) or across from Lakey Green and Lower Loxley, and if it is to the north of the Am it could all be brought in from the A1992 at Edgeley.

    I suppose it must be deemed possible to get lorries along these roads, because they have milk lorries. The state of the bridges has probably never been considered at all.

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  • Message 79

    , in reply to message 76.

    Posted by The Leech Pedlar (U15129703) on Sunday, 26th February 2012

    Brilliant! Thank you. 

    No. Thank you for the first link. It was only through having that, I could go and nose around in that directory. ; )

    I expect they'll be hidden away again somewhere, as soon as *they* realise we've found them.

    As for Shula and Mark's bats. I vaguely remember that storyline. (Of course they're all batty in Ambridge.)

    BTW. If you click on Lower Loxley Hall's location, on the current interactive map, it says that Lower Loxley (and the Hall) are located to the East of Ambridge. which is strange since it is at the top of the interactive map and assuming that to be North, must be North of Ambridge.

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  • Message 80

    , in reply to message 78.

    Posted by The Leech Pedlar (U15129703) on Sunday, 26th February 2012

    True. But milk tankers are quite small, compared to the 16/18 wheel monsters which are completely banned from some of the smaller bridges in villages around where I live.

    Even with local farms producing some of the feedstuffs there would have to be a lot of deliveries of other feeds to cope with a planned 1500 herd.

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  • Message 81

    , in reply to message 72.

    Posted by JoinedPeetsBoard_Smeesues_too (U14519481) on Sunday, 26th February 2012

    Thank you Norma - that was a great link!
    JPBS

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  • Message 82

    , in reply to message 1.

    Posted by SredniVashtar07 (U9755761) on Monday, 27th February 2012

    Ruth sounded an absolute idiot - it was as if she were talking about her pets rather than her business.

    Sentimental clap trap !

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  • Message 83

    , in reply to message 82.

    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Monday, 27th February 2012

    Is there really no middle ground between "business" and "sentiment"?

    The implication that being an ethical businessman is impossible is chilling.

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  • Message 84

    , in reply to message 69.

    Posted by The Leech Pedlar (U15129703) on Monday, 27th February 2012

    Loved it.. BL know how to train their staff properly in the art of hand washing and cleaning. 

    Indeed.

    But who else is Pat going to hire at short notice, to cover the work at the dairy whilst she's arranging Tony's planting?

    That should go down well with Tiny Tom - as I understand Bapper calls him.

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  • Message 85

    , in reply to message 83.

    Posted by SredniVashtar07 (U9755761) on Tuesday, 28th February 2012

    Im quite sure there is middle ground - but not if you are a Dopey, and have never shown the slightest concern in that direction before.

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