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  • Message 1. 

    Posted by Tadpole (U2267185) on Tuesday, 24th January 2012

    Thassorl.

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  • Message 2

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Tuesday, 24th January 2012

    Why is tactlessness and silly yitter good?

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  • Message 3

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    Posted by Tadpole (U2267185) on Tuesday, 24th January 2012

    Because tactless gossip is the stuff of village life, and because anything that discomfits the smugs of Home Farm is a good thing.

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    Posted by binocular (U10832169) on Tuesday, 24th January 2012

    Why would JD be annoyed?


    Her husband and daughter have gone behind step brother/sons back.

    Stupid woman.

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Tuesday, 24th January 2012

    It may be good drama, but it is no merit in the person displaying it, I would have thought.

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  • Message 6

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    Posted by Tadpole (U2267185) on Tuesday, 24th January 2012

    Oh don't be so pompous, Chris! I don't want TA characters to be full of merit, whatever that means, I want them to provide a bit of drama and entertainment.

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  • Message 7

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Tuesday, 24th January 2012

    Well, good for the scriptwriter then, for successfully depicting a rather stupid and tactless woman, but that doesn't make stupid and tactless deserving of congratulation.

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    Posted by Brief_felicity (U14259249) on Tuesday, 24th January 2012

    My thoughts? Well, that will teach Jenny to runout of pasta! Or to not run out. haha.

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  • Message 9

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    Posted by JustJanie - Fairweather Strider (U10822512) on Tuesday, 24th January 2012

    Jennifer should have tried to pry even more information out of Susan. Well, she gave it a bit of a go, but got into too much of a huff to get the full report that no doubt Susan was longing to give. Them being family and all. Brian needs to know what people are saying and they are far more likely to speak freely in front of Susan than Jennifer.

    By the way, did anyone else think that yesterday's teaser 'Brian walks into a heated debate' meant that they set upon him in The Bull? I wonder if that is still to come.

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    Posted by JoinedPeetsBoard_Smeesues_too (U14519481) on Tuesday, 24th January 2012

    True - Jenny should know if all the village are against the Mega-Dairy. Susan is doing her and Brian a favour.

    I think the chatter had a purpose - she deliberately paid Jenny back for all the snobbery J has displayed to *her*.
    JPBS

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  • Message 11

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    Posted by steenbok running away (U15070570) on Tuesday, 24th January 2012

    By the way, did anyone else think that yesterday's teaser 'Brian walks into a heated debate' meant that they set upon him in The Bull? I wonder if that is still to come.  

    That would make a good episode. JustJanie. I hope they do it.

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  • Message 12

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    Posted by Leaping Badger (U3587940) on Tuesday, 24th January 2012

    Well that's you told, Tadders. Back to remedial morality classes for you.
    'Ö'

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  • Message 13

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    Posted by sunnysakasredux (U14979019) on Tuesday, 24th January 2012

    Well that's you told, Tadders. Back to remedial morality classes for you.
    'Ö'  
    Oh dear I think I will be joining tadpole there! Someone just played it to me. It was ROFL! Funny. About time something was funnyxxx

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  • Message 14

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    Posted by Tadpole (U2267185) on Tuesday, 24th January 2012

    Well that's you told, Tadders. Back to remedial morality classes for you.
    'Ö'  
    Oh dear I think I will be joining tadpole there! Someone just played it to me. It was ROFL! Funny. About time something was funnyxxx 

    You're welcome, sunny. And Badger, if he's similarly lacking in moral fibre.

    Always fun to hear Jenny squirm and sniff.

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  • Message 15

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    Posted by Leaping Badger (U3587940) on Tuesday, 24th January 2012

    Speaking as a founder member and regular of the Low Moral Ground beer tent, Tadders, there's little doubt about my lack of moral fibre. Turpitude is my watchword.
    'Ö'

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  • Message 16

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    Posted by JoinedPeetsBoard_Smeesues_too (U14519481) on Tuesday, 24th January 2012

    Yes I enjoyed that episode - I didn't think it boring at all Sturmey (as you seemed to from the link).

    It was IMHO *definitely* Susan taking the rise out of Jenny .. *very* well acted. I've enjoyed this week on TA .. specially the scenes with Susan in them ..
    JPBS

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  • Message 17

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    Posted by Buntysdaughter (U7084475) on Tuesday, 24th January 2012

    As many of us have said, there is bound to be a fair bit of bitchy gossip in a village, and Susan's the woman to provide it. Has the ring of truth, and as always with Susan, well acted.

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  • Message 18

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    Posted by Shirley Knott (U14164156) on Tuesday, 24th January 2012

    As many of us have said, there is bound to be a fair bit of bitchy gossip in a village, and Susan's the woman to provide it. Has the ring of truth, and as always with Susan, well acted. 

    Indeed, buntysdaughter. Not said with outright malice, more of a 'well I think you ought to know and if anyone should tell you it should be me'.

    Delicious. Pure Susan.

    I usually agree with you, Chris, but not on this one. It's moments like that that save The Archers.

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  • Message 19

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Tuesday, 24th January 2012

    I wasn't in any way criticising the writing or the acting. I just don't thinkthat "ooh well done Susan", which is how I read the OP, as a reaction to tactless silliness is one that I feel inclined to agree with unthinkingly.

    Good for Mary Cutler, who wrote it; good for Charlotte Martin who acted it; both of those. But no more "good for Susan" than "good for Brian" if he is steamrollering Adam in a very realistic way, or "good for Jennifer" if she is at her most dim and supine in the most convincing possible way. Or, on this occasion, getting into a snit and a taking about the village being opposed to the megadairy. That was well-acted and well-written, but still deplorable and rather silly of the character.

    There is a difference between the portrayal and the behaviour portrayed, as far as I am concerned.

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    Posted by cath (U2234232) on Tuesday, 24th January 2012

    > Or, on this occasion, getting into a snit and a taking about the village being opposed to the megadairy. That was well-acted and well-written, but still deplorable and rather silly of the character.<

    Why on earth is it deplorable to tell someone connected with a project that lots of people are against it? Of course JD went into a great sulk at finding that people are talking about Adam's opposition but what on earth did she think people would be saying? And she should have been very grateful that someone actually told her as it now means Brian knows what people are thinking.

    If you're trying to persuade people to your point of view you need to tackle their concerns - which means finding out what they are in the first place - not shove your head in the sand and sing la la la - though that is JD's preferred mode of action to anything disagreeable.

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  • Message 21

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Tuesday, 24th January 2012

    It would have been fine if Susan had not then been all upset and wondered what she had done to annoy Jennifer and hoped that she didn't and so on.

    She will do it: speak her mind and then try to weasel out -- successfully, when it was the vicar marrying someone of a different religion, for which public outpouring someone else was driven out of the church.

    It is the combination of tactlessness and oh-dear-I-hope-I-didn't-upset-her that I find deplorable. Susan is written as wanting to eat her cake and have it too: be nasty about Brian (under the blanket "This isn't what I say, you understand, it's all Them") and yet stay on good terms with her grand "relations".

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    Posted by Shirley Knott (U14164156) on Tuesday, 24th January 2012

    She will do it: speak her mind and then try to weasel out -- successfully, when it was the vicar marrying someone of a different religion, for which public outpouring someone else was driven out of the church.

    It is the combination of tactlessness and oh-dear-I-hope-I-didn't-upset-her that I find deplorable. Susan is written as wanting to eat her cake and have it too: be nasty about Brian (under the blanket "This isn't what I say, you understand, it's all Them") and yet stay on good terms with her grand "relations". 


    Actually Chris, for me, that's exactly what makes her so believable as a character.

    People like Susan rarely realise what they are actually doing.

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  • Message 23

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Tuesday, 24th January 2012

    Yes, and I agree; but a convincing portrayal of a character who behaves not-very-well doesn't mean that the *character* should be applauded. "Oh well done, that was a really good bit of treachery" is not something I would say; "That was an excellent bit of arson" or "Well done for knocking someone down when drunk driving" similarly. So I wouldn't say "well done for putting your foot in it well and truly" either.

    If I wouldn't say any of these things to someone I knew in Real Life (OMT) I wouldn't say them to Emma, Clive or Helen. About them yes, but not to them.

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  • Message 24

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    Posted by cath (U2234232) on Tuesday, 24th January 2012

    >It would have been fine if Susan had not then been all upset and wondered what she had done to annoy Jennifer and hoped that she didn't and so on.<

    Was Susan upset? I didn't pick that up at all. She wondered if she'd upset JD by what she'd said, and JD's reaction to it. I doubt many people would have reacted to hearing the views of their village to their husband's project by running out of the shop.

    The problem with JD is that she's all trumped up sensitivity and self importance so you're treading on egg shells with her all the time. I don't see why people should bend over backwards to spare her all this disagreeableness. If she doesn't like it she should stay at home.

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  • Message 25

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Tuesday, 24th January 2012

    When she was discussing it with Neil afterwards Susan was worrying about having opened her big mouth and upset Jennifer. Not that this will make her think before inserting her size eights next time or the time after, but it is a bit of a habit with her. She doesn't think when she is retailing some fascinating snippet, what the person she is saying it to may think. "Oh Clarrie, I didn't mean you!" Then she feels bad about it until ten minutes later.

    She is one as would talk about rope in the house of the hanged, and quite fail to connect rope with the hanging last week in her own mind.

    I almost prefer Vicky, who is more "oh, listen to me and my big mouth!" and up-front about slightly snidey gossiping.

    "And she started it!" is something rarely said by people whose conscience is clear, and that was Susan's remark.

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  • Message 26

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    Posted by cath (U2234232) on Tuesday, 24th January 2012

    I don't see why anyone should feel guilty about talking about a major project in the village to the a woman whose husband is a force behind it. Susan doesn't need to have any conscience about it as she's done nothing wrong.

    If some people are so sensitive that you have to measure every word on an every day issue in case they run away then that's a problem for the sensitive one not for the person who's having an ordinary conversation about a well known village project. What on earth will JD at the planning stage, run in and tell everyone to get out of the public gallery as it's too upsetting for her?

    Still, chalk up one for the sws as we're getting a family likeness here - sensitivity runs in the family as Helen is just the same.

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  • Message 27

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    Posted by JoinedPeetsBoard_Smeesues_too (U14519481) on Wednesday, 25th January 2012

    I don't know .. I can't help thinking that Susan doesn't care whether she upsets Jenny or not ... and why should she? Brian has been smarming round the village trying to win friends. It's good that now he knows he's not succeeded.

    I think that Susan has a list of people she regards as friends and allies and another list of people she doesn't .. Probably a sense of loyalty to Pat caused her to sound off rather than animosity towards Jenny ..
    JPBS

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  • Message 28

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Wednesday, 25th January 2012

    Bearing in mind that Pat was The Enemy for so long, that is more magnanimous than I would expect of Susan.

    It was clear during the broadcast that Susan had said things she was beginning to regret. I think that keeping in with the County Set Aldridges matters more to her than Pat does, but she cannot gauge the amount of gossip about a person that is sensible or helpful to tell to that person, nor yet how much someone may react to being told gossip about her family. I think that she is a bit dim not to think a little more than she seems to before opening her mouth and putting her foot in it, which she definitely did this evening.

    If telling Jennifer about Brian and the village gossip had been done well, or for the right reasons as far as I could tell, then it would have been Well Done; but I don't think it was.

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  • Message 29

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    Posted by JoinedPeetsBoard_Smeesues_too (U14519481) on Wednesday, 25th January 2012

    Nah - I think she has had a grudge against Jenny since she (Susan) came to her aid during the book club `Paddocks' evening. At a later date however Jenny was snooty with her over (I think?) Alices graduation.

    There was another time she tried to get even with Jenny - can't remember what. Evidently she decided she was not finished ..

    Just my point of view anyway .. or maybe she just couldn't resist stirring it.
    JPBS

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  • Message 30

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Wednesday, 25th January 2012

    Well, JPBS, your theories definitely go along with mine, that Susan did not have any pleasant motive for her gossiping and that it was therefore not "good for" her or deserving of praise, but on the contrary either stupid or malicious.

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  • Message 31

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    Posted by JoinedPeetsBoard_Smeesues_too (U14519481) on Wednesday, 25th January 2012

    Er - I think she did it to put Jenny in her place. Though I don't think that Susan would see it as malicious but as a kind of balance sheet or scale of `one-upmanship.'

    It was a very entertaining scene though ..
    JPBS

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  • Message 32

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Wednesday, 25th January 2012

    I would regard it as malicious because it was not intended in any good way, and the result was to make somebody else unhappy.

    No merit in it from Susan, though amusement for us.

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  • Message 33

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    Posted by shesings (U2666459) on Wednesday, 25th January 2012

    Thassorl.  

    I am with you, Tadders! Whatever Susan's motives, if any, she succeeded in discomfitting Jennifer (which is always A Good Thing) to such an extenet that she had a serious lapse of grammatical rectitude!

    Add that to the gourmet cook, whose store cupboard could feed the entire village during a week long siege, running out of pasta, of all unlikely things, and we can see that this mega-dairy plan is having serious consequences at Home Farm. Yeehaw!






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  • Message 34

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    Posted by siriol (U14748387) on Wednesday, 25th January 2012

    I would regard it as malicious because it was not intended in any good way, and the result was to make somebody else unhappy.

    No merit in it from Susan, though amusement for us. 
    Tactless, or what ..........but I loved it! I think Jenny is tough enough to ride it out somehow.

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  • Message 35

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    Posted by RAFromSw (U14574822) on Wednesday, 25th January 2012

    Hear hear ! And I think her motive was probably ongoing curiosity to find out what happened at Home Farm after Adam blabbed t0 giv more gossip which she uses as currency.....

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  • Message 36

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    Posted by anna kist (U2314477) on Wednesday, 25th January 2012

    Agreed Tadders. Anything that discomforts JD is fine by me....

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  • Message 37

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    Posted by anna kist (U2314477) on Wednesday, 25th January 2012

    < The problem with JD is that she's all trumped up sensitivity and self importance so you're treading on egg shells with her all the time. I don't see why people should bend over backwards to spare her all this disagreeableness. If she doesn't like it she should stay at home. >

    Agreed, Cath, and when it comes to other JD has all the sensitivity of rhino horn.

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