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  • Message 151

    , in reply to message 148.

    Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Sunday, 11th December 2011

    In reply to NotsoTinyTim:

    < wossername is pregnant >

    By "wossername" OI, do you mean the recently ubiquitous Nicky Nause? Heaven forfend, not another bluddy Grundy infant! Or rather, not another bluddy TA infant full stop. 



    No, no. Someone in quite another realm.

    Though her mil has sat in a chair Nic will use.

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  • Message 152

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    Posted by LilianFred (U14714921) on Sunday, 11th December 2011

    I'm undecided whether I feel sorry for her or pity her. I certainly am struggling to have sympathy for her. We all learn from our mistakes and tonight she realised how much her actions have cost her. So maybe she will change for the better, whether she gets to meet Rich or not. Either that or it will be the end of her.   I agree. A small part of me feels pity for her, but she is partly a victim of her own actions and she probably knows that, in her heart.

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  • Message 153

    , in reply to message 151.

    Posted by NotsoTinyTim (U2256329) on Sunday, 11th December 2011

    OI, this is surely a reference to a celebrated Pete and Dud sketch featuring Dirty Uncle Bertie. I now realise that you are talking about the dil of that geeza wot is a fortnight younger than me and who owns the whole of Cornwall.

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  • Message 154

    , in reply to message 153.

    Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Sunday, 11th December 2011

    Spot on Notso. The chap you were up with at the varsity.

    Doubtless you had him round to your rooms for tea, or met him at the Pitt.

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  • Message 155

    , in reply to message 140.

    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Sunday, 11th December 2011

    Grandparents can be a rock and the only stability in a child's life during the breakup of a relationship.  This has no possible relevance to Rich, whose parents are not suffering from the breakup of their relationship ubnless Pat manages to cause one. I can't see that it would hurt Rich to have contact with another relative who shares his genetic inheritance.   I can: the relative is Pat, whose reaction to the existence of Rich's mother is to spit poisonous remarks and judgements. Pat's unreasonable attitude amounts to "how dare Sharon not immediately do what she is told" -- by a woman who fifteen years ago did her one favour, but ever since did nothing but oppose her at all times, in very unpleasant terms and with vuituperation to her face.

    It will do him no good to have anything to do with a woman whose overwhelming is so vast that she cannot bring herself to admit that someone carrying a man's child might be sorry for that man's death. I don't know what sort of person is that judgemental yet would do any good for the son of a person against whom she has set her face in such a way.

    I feel that Rich can perfectly well do forever with neither Pat nor Helen in his life, and Tom too is a bit of a dead loss; Tony is the only one of that family whom I would not cross the road to avoid.

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  • Message 156

    , in reply to message 154.

    Posted by NotsoTinyTim (U2256329) on Sunday, 11th December 2011

    No, OI, the Pitt Club wasn't for me - the Downing JCR was about the height of my social world, tho' I did once tread the boards at the ADC.

    However, there was a very rich African geeza living above me who walked around in a Savile Row suit the whole time and who had Charlie round for lunch one day and had the nosh brought in on a silver platter.

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  • Message 157

    , in reply to message 145.

    Posted by JoinedPeetsBoard_Smeesues_too (U14519481) on Sunday, 11th December 2011

    Below - the info on the Brian/Betty story. Maybe Betty didn't pay for the cutlery in the end? I can't remember - I can only remember Jenny telling her she would have to ..

    I remember that Brian and Jenny lost their nanny for Alice because they refused to give her a proper contract of service. She resigned ..
    JPBS

    www.bbc.co.uk/radio4...

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  • Message 158

    , in reply to message 146.

    Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Sunday, 11th December 2011

    In reply to JustPresidentBun With Stars - some hope:

    No she is not stalking Rich - but making herself miserable by picking at it all the time ... just as Kathy said she would. She is also making everyone else miserable as well - Tony in particular.

    And yes Sharon was far from being a saint - but harping on over how bad she was is not doing any good either. Bitterness really only hurts the embittered one IMHO
    JPBS 


    Are YOU really so saintly and self-abnegating?

    I'm not. I would be largely in line with Pat (NOT my usual TA role model!)

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  • Message 159

    , in reply to message 158.

    Posted by JoinedPeetsBoard_Smeesues_too (U14519481) on Sunday, 11th December 2011


    Are YOU really so saintly and self-abnegating?

    I'm not. I would be largely in line with Pat (NOT my usual TA role model!)
     

    If I was Pat I would want to find out too. However I hope I would go about it in a different way. However thank god I've never lost a child ...

    The remarks about `bitterness' were general ones.

    No I'm not saintly - just rational ..
    JPBS

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  • Message 160

    , in reply to message 146.

    Posted by Now Locking for a house (U3261819) on Sunday, 11th December 2011

    Sharon is the one who is bitter, not Pat. Pat is remorseful. They are different.

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  • Message 161

    , in reply to message 160.

    Posted by JoinedPeetsBoard_Smeesues_too (U14519481) on Sunday, 11th December 2011

    I think Sharon took the opportunity to lash out - and to show she has all the cards. Am sure she *will* discuss it with Eamon and Rich and they will get back in touch ..

    But only the basic facts for Rich I hope ..
    JPBS

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  • Message 162

    , in reply to message 161.

    Posted by dickie (U2267358) on Monday, 12th December 2011

    She did not take the opportunity until goaded by Pat. She had at least two previous opportunities during the telephone call when she could have expressed her feelings but didn't.

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  • Message 163

    , in reply to message 136.

    Posted by anna kist (U2314477) on Monday, 12th December 2011

    Yes of course some things are worse than they were then, Buns. But this younger generationisn't the first and won't be the last to live through a recession. Capitalism is, by its very nature a system of boom and bust and unless we find another way of running our lives it will continue to be o but that is another story.

    Sunny. Thank you for the apology I usual ignore your sweeping condemnation of the older [but not the oldest] generation but yesterday it hit a raw nerve so I responded. As you mature you will realise that the world is a complex place and there are many explanations for why things are the way they are and no one generation is entirely to blame for the whole economic mess.

    In the meantime I'm quite happy to place most of the world ills on Helen's scraggy shoulders...

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  • Message 164

    , in reply to message 143.

    Posted by anna kist (U2314477) on Monday, 12th December 2011

    Agreed Buns. JD is not a kind person unless it suits her purposes and Fagash is the same. All that false bonhomie hides a flinty selfish heart.

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  • Message 165

    , in reply to message 163.

    Posted by sunnysakasredux (U14979019) on Monday, 12th December 2011

    Thank you annax I am happy to hear that you are one of the posters on here I like which is why I apologisedx
    I must, like Pat, have been suffering (except Pat still is!) from that ghatiya karma, the one that is supposed to (usha will know this of course) impede perception etc of course Pat suffers from all 4 of the ghativa karmas which is why she is deluded!

    I have tried, for the sake of balance, to feel sorry for Pat but she is deluded and does not see that child as an individual in his own right.
    But actually the story is sort of tedious now it just goes round and round.
    I am more interested in the way they don't seem to have a financial crisis any more and when are they going to be sued by little Milly and her parents? Plus why does Tony keep agreeing with her?

    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxhappy day xxxxx back to work I have to save up for a new car.
    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

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  • Message 166

    , in reply to message 155.

    Posted by anna kist (U2314477) on Monday, 12th December 2011

    Agreed, Chris. Rich doesn't need these distant toxic relatives.

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  • Message 167

    , in reply to message 165.

    Posted by anna kist (U2314477) on Monday, 12th December 2011

    I"m not on Pat's side either, Sunny. She has as always handled this badly and put her own feelings before others. She still hasn't got the fact that she can't expect to have much of a relationship with a child whose mother she despises.

    She needs to put this to one side and get on with sorting out her business. If Rich want to find her later he will. But Pat like her daughter must have what she wants.

    They are their own worst enemies but that wouldn't matter if there were no collateral damage to others.

    Have a good day - it is a lovely one here.

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  • Message 168

    , in reply to message 167.

    Posted by sunnysakasredux (U14979019) on Monday, 12th December 2011

    Yes it is a lovely day I was up on the downs with the race horses this am and could see the SEA!!! so my mood has passed.
    I tried to see Pat's pov (for about 5secs!) 'cos my darling granny great lost a son when he very young 20 I think! that was 40+years ago! and GG says she thinks of him everyday. But GG was a psychologist so I think she has loads more self-awareness than Pat!

    Dad would agree with you about Hellin he hates her so much I think there should be a health warning before she is on the prog. I worry for his driving!

    I saw Whatever Happened to Baby Jane last night I now have visions of Hellin and Tony in Old age behaving like those 2 sisters! On second thoughts maybe Lil in her Little Red Coat is Baby Jane Hudson! But I prefer the idea of Hellin and Tom in years to come. Surely even Brenda will leave Tom soon she is so far down the food chain when it comes to Tom's loyalties fgs!

    Oops! they are ready must goxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

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  • Message 169

    , in reply to message 161.

    Posted by toriren (U14736767) on Monday, 12th December 2011

    I think Sharon took the opportunity to lash out - and to show she has all the cards. Am sure she *will* discuss it with Eamon and Rich and they will get back in touch ..

    But only the basic facts for Rich I hope ..
    JPBS 
    Yes, I'm with you on this one. Maybe it'll be Eamon who responds?

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  • Message 170

    , in reply to message 84.

    Posted by ruglan (U8055350) on Monday, 12th December 2011

    "
    I certainly think she will be drawn to go and see him even if not meet him."

    Pat, the stalker!!!!!

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  • Message 171

    , in reply to message 165.

    Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Monday, 12th December 2011

    I am more interested in the way they don't seem to have a financial crisis any more and when are they going to be sued by little Milly and her parents? Plus why does Tony keep agreeing with her?

    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxhappy day xxxxx back to work I have to save up for a new car. 


    They ARE being sued. But it's an insurance job for them.

    Men usually agree with their women to avoid nagging.

    What happened to the car? Are you on the Xmas post?

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  • Message 172

    , in reply to message 171.

    Posted by sunnysakasredux (U14979019) on Monday, 12th December 2011

    Well will the insurance pay up? I mean Polpat didn't teach her minions well did she? Plus if the insurance co do pay won't it push their premiums sky high? More expense in their non-business business.
    Tom who makes only sausages from his pigs! Hellin with her little shoppe run by other people who need their wages paid. Or is it Hellin's little charity shoppe staffed by volunteers 'cos the baybee cheesus and Hellin are such a worthy cause?

    Polpat sounded like she had had lost the plot last night with little mr echoey cheerleading her on.

    Pat wasn't nagging O Icon she was howling at the moon!

    The car like the parrot is an x car! No I have my old job back with the horses and the happy hackers which is why I listened last night to be up to speed. Some of the hackers love the archers and think the posters on this board are very rude.

    ciao have horses to water and hayxxx

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  • Message 173

    , in reply to message 172.

    Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Monday, 12th December 2011

    In reply to sunnysakasreduxchristmas:

    Well will the insurance pay up? I mean Polpat didn't teach her minions well did she? Plus if the insurance co do pay won't it push their premiums sky high? More expense in their non-business business.
    Tom who makes only sausages from his pigs! Hellin with her little shoppe run by other people who need their wages paid. Or is it Hellin's little charity shoppe staffed by volunteers 'cos the baybee cheesus and Hellin are such a worthy cause?

    Polpat sounded like she had had lost the plot last night with little mr echoey cheerleading her on.

    Pat wasn't nagging O Icon she was howling at the moon!

    The car like the parrot is an x car! No I have my old job back with the horses and the happy hackers which is why I listened last night to be up to speed. Some of the hackers love the archers and think the posters on this board are very rude. 


    Insurers have to pay even if it was BF's fault. But they weren't eve n prosecuted, putting it more bad luck. A single incident should not affect premiums much, if at all.

    Tom STARTED the soddidge business to find a use for the bits of piggy he could not sell for a good price. Reasonably to infer the best cuts still go wherever they went - though why not some direct sales, farm shop, BF Bacon - god knows!

    Can't you use a company horse in the evenings?

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  • Message 174

    , in reply to message 173.

    Posted by sunnysakasredux (U14979019) on Monday, 12th December 2011

    Oh ok O Icon I bow to your superior knowledge, what are Tom's burgers made of do you know?
    I don't understand what you mean about using a company horse in the evening. I can ride what ever horse I want here in Sussex. I get paid to take the happy hackers out! They actually missed me. The other hack leaders ( Young Erin types) talk about Xfactor not the archers!

    Only one of them feels sorry for Pat. Her words were: It must be maddening for poor Pat! Sharon was awful!

    HUM!
    xxxxx Still think the financial things aren't being taken very seriously by the s/ws! Plus if the s/ws were really going to make it like 'stenders they would have bought John back from the dead!

    " Hello Hayley!" then dum de dum instead of a drum rollx

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  • Message 175

    , in reply to message 174.

    Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Monday, 12th December 2011

    In reply to sunnysakasreduxchristmas:

    Oh ok O Icon I bow to your superior knowledge, what are Tom's burgers made of do you know? 


    I sort of assume they are porkburgers?

    But you have me worrying now!

    Does BF grow moo cows for eating too?

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  • Message 176

    , in reply to message 171.

    Posted by carrick-bend (U2288869) on Monday, 12th December 2011

    Men usually agree with their women to avoid nagging.
     

    That's sexist, OI - what about the relevant House Rule?
    Why is sexism ok when you wouldn't make a corresponding racist or homophobic post?

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  • Message 177

    , in reply to message 176.

    Posted by sunnysakasredux (U14979019) on Monday, 12th December 2011

    Alright carrickxx
    do you feel sorry for Pat? It is just O Icon being OI but it is sexist.

    So Hellin fed her pony the wrong food and killed it! Is this why Pat sucks up to her. Chris FIsh said it was Tony's fault I would be traumatised if one of my parents had killed my pony! I can't imagine Hellin riding though I just can't picture Hellin, who I see as the child that comes out of the tv in The Ring, as fun as riding!

    I feel sorry for the animals of Fair Plague Farm.
    Have you thought of any prizes yet?
    xxxx

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  • Message 178

    , in reply to message 175.

    Posted by My Mum is turning in her grave (U13137565) on Monday, 12th December 2011

    Tom's burgers are made from Brookfield beef.

    I thought Pt's strange relationship with Helen began when she took off the (?)splint that was supposed to help cure her 'clicky' hip and set the process back

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  • Message 179

    , in reply to message 177.

    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Monday, 12th December 2011

    Helen left her pony in the grain store and he ate himself into such a bad state that he could no longer be ridden; the following year (or possibly later that year) she left Tony in charge of him and rushed off somewhere, and Tony put him out in a field with spring grass in it and he ate himself into laminitis and had to be put down; Helen never forgave Tony, quite forgetting that she had previously done the same herself.

    She genuinely was passionate about ponies when she was eight and nine, but after Comet died she was inconsolable and never apparently looked at another pony. She was, as we know, fragile and sensitive even then, though of course doggedly independent too.

    As you say, OI is just being OI; not worth paying any attention to it, really.

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  • Message 180

    , in reply to message 178.

    Posted by sunnysakasredux (U14979019) on Monday, 12th December 2011

    Thank you my mumxx are any of the babies born without something wrong? Hellin's hip, Christopher's lip, Cheesus in an incubator for months incubating! Pippa clearly something wrong there!

    Thank you chris. I knew you said before they were both involved. How could Tony be so stupid and why was Hellin not traumatised by what she had done putting a horse in a grain store that is wrong like putting the vicar of ambridge by a free mince pie taster in Underwoods. I am being flip but the archers and s/ws have form when it comes to horses so I am impressed they realised the seriousness of what mr echo and Mad_Donna did. If it were freddy and Lizzie they would probably say: Oh look at naughty Caspar he has got so fat.

    I have tried to consider Pat's feelings but I do not feel sorry for her 'cos she cares not a jot about Rich, she just cares about ownership and her nasty sprogs!
    xxxxxxxxxxxx

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  • Message 181

    , in reply to message 174.

    Posted by Dinah Shore (U14984316) on Monday, 12th December 2011

    what are Tom's burgers made of  Hereford Beef from Brookfield.

    They tried them out at Broofie, and Young Ben did his first talk on air ("MORE MEAT!") and petty little Pip decided she wanted to have Tom's burgers at home for her birtday, instead of going to Gee-eyed Joe's (MacDonald of Borchester) with her friends, as planned.

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  • Message 182

    , in reply to message 176.

    Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Monday, 12th December 2011

    Men usually agree with their women to avoid nagging.

    That's sexist, OI - what about the relevant House Rule?

    Why is sexism ok when you wouldn't make a corresponding racist or homophobic post? 



    Is it sexist to say that men are sometimes violent towards women?

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  • Message 183

    , in reply to message 182.

    Posted by sunnysakasredux (U14979019) on Monday, 12th December 2011

    Men usually agree with their women to avoid nagging.

    That's sexist, OI - what about the relevant House Rule?

    Why is sexism ok when you wouldn't make a corresponding racist or homophobic post? 



    Is it sexist to say that men are sometimes violent towards women?  
    No and you know it wouldn't be! The key is the insertion of sometimes as a qualifier! It would be sexist if you had written; Men are violent towards women. Pat is strident and deluded Tony colludes with her fantasies now. Pat needs to be a bit more diplomatic or read the Prince.
    She needs diplomacy if she wants to be allowed to see the first grandson. But has strong opinions but it is all polemic with her. Mr Echo didn't help imo!
    xxxxx

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  • Message 184

    , in reply to message 183.

    Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Monday, 12th December 2011

    But I think Tony mostly agrees with Pat to stop her nagging him.

    He knows by now that there is no point wasting time on rational argument.

    IMHO nagging (verbal violence) and slapping (physical violence) are the same thing.

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  • Message 185

    , in reply to message 184.

    Posted by ruralsnowflakebliss (U8131914) on Monday, 12th December 2011

    Pat doesn't actually nag tony by accepted definitions.... in the sense I am assuming you mean it

    And I would watch the whole 'nagging' stuff... it has a very bad history and perspective

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  • Message 186

    , in reply to message 184.

    Posted by sunnysakasredux (U14979019) on Monday, 12th December 2011

    But I think Tony mostly agrees with Pat to stop her nagging him.

    He knows by now that there is no point wasting time on rational argument.

    IMHO nagging (verbal violence) and slapping (physical violence) are the same thing.  
    well yes they are one is called mental cruelty one is physical cruelty.
    NSPCC ran there stop campaign about parents who were verbally abusive to their children. Mental cruelty.

    So why hasn't someone reported Hellin for her mental cruelty to the baybee cheesus, cooing at him endlessly, speaking his thoughts for him and not allowing Ian to feed him cake. Plus Pat yabbering on about how he looks like Tom!!!! No he looks like his paternal grandmother Pat who you should have empathy with 'cos she won't see her grandchild either.
    I have tried to be rational about Polpat but she is Mad_Donna's mum she isn't safe near kids imo!

    xxxx

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  • Message 187

    , in reply to message 186.

    Posted by sunnysakasredux (U14979019) on Monday, 12th December 2011

    their their their Can I come of the naughty step now?
    Bit RIch swanning it large about your qualifier of sometimes and I can't even get my theirs right!

    Pat needs a long holiday a cruise or if they can't afford that then why not er watch a dvd of something fun like Singing In the Rain or Some Like it Hot! They could sing along and try to have fun and count THEIR blessings, live in the moment! They have to be more fun if they want a teenage boy to like them plus they need to keep THEIR mouths shut and not diss his mother!
    xxxxxx

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  • Message 188

    , in reply to message 177.

    Posted by carrick-bend (U2288869) on Monday, 12th December 2011

    Have you thought of any prizes yet? 

    See post 117, Sunny - I'm hoping fopr inspiration - if noone suggests anything, I will have to use my imagination, and you wwouldn't be the only one who would be concerned about that.

    Everyone, Roll Up, Roll Up, Place your bets - What sort of pony will Freddie get bought?

    www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mb...

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  • Message 189

    , in reply to message 185.

    Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Monday, 12th December 2011

    Pat doesn't actually nag tony by accepted definitions.... in the sense I am assuming you mean it

    And I would watch the whole 'nagging' stuff... it has a very bad history and perspective 


    I extrapolate from what we hear from Pat to what I think she is like the rest of the time.

    I don't understand your warning/threat. I suspect that a lot of violence from men in relationships is initiated by nagging from the female partner. I think far more should be done to protect men from nagging women.

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  • Message 190

    , in reply to message 182.

    Posted by carrick-bend (U2288869) on Monday, 12th December 2011

    There's a difference between "sometimes" and "usually",
    try it in these sentence -

    "Non-white people are X not of average intelligence"

    One sentence will be not racist, one will be.

    Do you really not see this point, or are you trying to prevaricate and deflect the blame?

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  • Message 191

    , in reply to message 190.

    Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Monday, 12th December 2011

    Is a feminist allowed to assert "All men are rapists", without needing a raft of qualificatory exemptions?

    Is a man ALLOWED to be a masculinist?

    Seems that if a man says "women nag" the first reaction of women is to prove the point?

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  • Message 192

    , in reply to message 190.

    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Monday, 12th December 2011

    c-b, someone has presumably been feeding OI meat: he is more than usually that way at the moment. Far best ignored if he is being that way at all, let alone more so than usual.

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  • Message 193

    , in reply to message 191.

    Posted by carrick-bend (U2288869) on Monday, 12th December 2011

    Is a feminist allowed to assert "All men are rapists", without needing a raft of qualificatory exemptions?
     

    If anyone wrote that here, it should be catpeed as sexist.

    What's a "masculinist"?

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  • Message 194

    , in reply to message 167.

    Posted by Now Locking for a house (U3261819) on Monday, 12th December 2011

    One's feelings for a grandchild's 'other' parent do not influence those for the child. Not one jot!

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  • Message 195

    , in reply to message 193.

    Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Monday, 12th December 2011

    en.wikipedia.org/wik...


    Fishy - actually I have had the lurgy for a week and not much wanting to eat meat. Maybe that's the cause?

    Don't take me too seriously and I promise I will reciprocate.

    Mascul(in)ist love to all.

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  • Message 196

    , in reply to message 193.

    Posted by carrick-bend (U2288869) on Monday, 12th December 2011

    I don't think there are any "masculinists" in TA.
    Their views on the subject would break the House Rules regarding sexism on BBC MBs, anyway.

    I googled it, and the definition is rather interesting.

    "A "Masculinist" is a "Men's Rights Activist". No seriously. There are actually people who are so stupid they think that men are oppressed anywhere in the world. Just sit and think about the laughably small brain it takes to be an masculinist."

    www.urbandictionary....

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  • Message 197

    , in reply to message 196.

    Posted by Now Locking for a house (U3261819) on Monday, 12th December 2011

    Men are oppressed everywhere. Some by women!

    What it really comes down to is that some people are oppressed.
    I suppose we all need to be 'Peopleist'.

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  • Message 198

    , in reply to message 197.

    Posted by carrick-bend (U2288869) on Monday, 12th December 2011

    It's not about men being oppressed, Locki, they are indeed, sometimes.

    A straight-faced definition of "masculinist" is ""An advocate of male superiority or dominance" (Merriam Webster Dictionary)

    Note the corresponding definition of "feminist" - "Belief in the social, political, and economic equality of the sexes".

    Even Sid wasn't a "masculinist".

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  • Message 199

    , in reply to message 198.

    Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Monday, 12th December 2011

    A straight-faced definition of "masculinist" is ""An advocate of male superiority or dominance" (Merriam Webster Dictionary)

    Note the corresponding definition of "feminist" - "Belief in the social, political, and economic equality of the sexes". 


    They do not "correspond".

    The OED settles for "An advocate of Men's rights".

    The OED is the better dictionary.

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  • Message 200

    , in reply to message 189.

    Posted by ruralsnowflakebliss (U8131914) on Monday, 12th December 2011

    Straight forward OI... it has long been a defence to domestic violence... 'she nagged' and through history men got away with it. Womens only power was often in their voice... and sometime they were asking quite reasonable requests... with no power to do anything.

    I had a friend who had her cheek bone broken for the temerity to repeatedly ask why the joint bank account was cleaned out.... and yes he tried that defence.

    I would in no way excuse any one male or female for cruel demeaning verbal abuse... but it can be very easy to define a woman speaking o9r voiceing her needs and opinions as nagging if you don't want to hear the message. It is a sterotype as any other

    Pat on the other hand does not make repeated requests of Tony... they in a way have a different communication style. Someone like Clarrie actually nags ineffectually with her 'eddies!'

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