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  • Message 1. 

    Posted by TownieJane (U14315138) on Wednesday, 7th December 2011

    I am one hundred percent certain that what I am about to write will have already been said by other posters, and I look forward to having my views confirmed when I browse the MB after this. But really, I had to get a bit of the splenetic rage I'm feeling at Helen out of my system doubleplusquick.

    I think Pat is acting in a foolish and potentially harmful way about Rich, but really, what in the name of god gives Helen the right to tell her parents what to do? And in such bald, strident and unempathetic terms, to boot?

    I was spluttering with derision as I listened to Tony's complete cave-in to the self-obsessed harpy Helen last night. what a poor apology for a parent he is, indulging a child's complete personal absorption, rather than gently persuading her that there might be other opinions to be considered. Or, even, just telling the selfish mare to button up and back off.

    Of course, if Helen wasn't still sponging the parental home at past the age of thirty, complete with baby vanity project and a hatful of revisionist theories about her devotion to Dead John, then she might be capable of a bit more of a lucid take on the subject.

    Truly, that woman makes my hand itch. God alone knows what kind of sanctimonious little prig Henry is going to grow into, with his mother spouting peremptory and pious drivel on the lines of, this is MY LAST WORD on the subject, because Henry's already had a stressful morning.

    I fed my babies on yoghurt and banana, and when I heard Helen offering Henry the same last night, I wished I'd crammed their little faces with sugar bombs and milk duds. That is what the woman does to me.

    Rant over. Thanks for reading.

    Cheers, Jane

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    Posted by Marmalade Drizzle (U2239190) on Wednesday, 7th December 2011

    Top rant Jane.

    Can't fault it in any way. Agree with it all.

    Marms

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    Posted by SredniVashtar07 (U9755761) on Wednesday, 7th December 2011

    Utterly pathetic of Tony to be so cowed by that creature and the sausage king - thank heavens for Pat - and I dont say that too often - she will ignore the uppity pair of them and do exactly as she always intended to do !!

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    Posted by StargazerwithOscar (U14668197) on Wednesday, 7th December 2011

    "baby vanity project" - I love it, Jane. Many snorkities!-

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  • Message 5

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    Posted by JudithL (U14272244) on Wednesday, 7th December 2011

    I just cannot understand the dynamic in that family at all.
    Helen and Tom's insistence on controlling everything that happens in the family is weird in itself. Then there's Tony's apparent inability to accept Brenda; is it because she isn't married to Tom?
    Apart from Tony, who is just hen-pecked, the rest of them, in one way or another, are all totally barking.
    Whence does Helen derive this strange idea that she has the right to tell her parents what to do? And why does Tony meekly accept it?

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    Posted by Borrowed Time (U14261253) on Wednesday, 7th December 2011

    As ever you are correct in every detail Jane.

    I do feel for poor Moanie. He tried objecting to Hellqueen last year and what good did it do him? He has learned that either his barmy wife or unhinged daughter will blame him whatever happens and so suppinely putting up no objections to either of them is the only way he will make it through the day without his ears bleeding.

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  • Message 7

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    Posted by gigglemahanaz2 (U14257954) on Wednesday, 7th December 2011

    Helen is doing what she does best and turns this situation around to herself, Tom is just being his normal self so nothing new there.

    Tony has turned into a '70's comdey version of a hen peck husband, he does as he's told by the wife and daughter and son!


    I really wish Helen would be abducted by aliens.

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  • Message 8

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    Posted by StargazerwithOscar (U14668197) on Wednesday, 7th December 2011

    I think it's a lifetime (as far as Helen and Tom are concerned) of a ball breaking mother and weak father. Poor role models for both, and they take advantage. Added to this is the post John terrified inability of P&T to upset Helen in any way for the reasons she makes sure are never far from their thoughts. Plus, I suppose, a natural mother-derived, tendency to bully in Helen, and a natural, father-derived, weakness in Tom where any need to thwart her is concerned.

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  • Message 9

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    Posted by RS Acre (U6057963) on Wednesday, 7th December 2011

    << I really wish Helen would be abducted by aliens. >>

    Aliens are too good for her, gigglers.

    What I would really like is for Tony to throw down his leek, tell Helen to sit down, shut up & stoppit, & explain, calmly but firmly that:
    1) His number one priority is his wife's mental health
    2) Second is the BF finances, which they all seem to have forgotten about
    3) In order to addres 1) & 2), he has sold the entire farm, MG, outbuildings, acreage, AO, stock & Memorial Tractor to Matt
    4) Will be taking PolPat on a long holiday, then retiring
    5) He is sure Helen will get a home, a job, but probably not a life, in due course
    6) Recommend that she eat something - but if she chooses not to, that's her business & hers alone
    7) Byeee!

    (_!_)y
    PS & she is not to go sponging off Peggy instead.

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  • Message 10

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    Posted by SteveKills (U14949122) on Wednesday, 7th December 2011

    Top post Jane. Aliens would reject her, Gigglers.

    Tony is utterly gutless cowed first by his mother, then his two appalling sisters, followed by his ghastly wife and now dominated by his manipulative nutter of a daughter. he has a wishbone where a backbone should be.

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  • Message 11

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    Posted by Parish Spinster (U2256426) on Wednesday, 7th December 2011

    I'm beginning to feel sorry for Tony - both Pat & Helen have had psychological troubles in the past and he must be afraid that they'll slide ack into more of the same if he stands up to them too much. With the empathy-negative Tom as his only other child, he doesn't really have anyone to support him, so the women run rings around him.

    This SL about Pat & the brat who might be John's is killing my will to listen. On many photos, I look like Maggie Thatcher, for heavens sake, and I KNOW we're not related!
    Anyone for a Campaign for the Return of the Real Pat?

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  • Message 12

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    Posted by StargazerwithOscar (U14668197) on Wednesday, 7th December 2011


    On many photos, I look like Maggie Thatcher, for heavens sake, and I KNOW we're not related!
     



    (Best Maggie voice) Just REJOICE at that NEWS!




    As for the real Pat, she disappeared many years ago, about the time her Auntie Gwyneth died I should think.. I bet she can't remember a word of Welsh and couldn't tell you who the leader of Plaid Cymru is nowadays. She sounds more English than the Queen.

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  • Message 13

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    Posted by Feral_Ralph (U2333894) on Wednesday, 7th December 2011

    Helen has no right to dictate to her parents in such terms and is only able to do so because they have invested in and helped her nurture her disorders. Oddly enough there is some wisdom in saying Pat should not make contact, but not for any of the reasons advanced by any of her family - except Tony. I'm tired of the whole thing. Rather than a clever slow burn it's far too melodramitic and mad sounding.

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  • Message 14

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    Posted by GreenBrownBear (U14258765) on Wednesday, 7th December 2011

    Good to see you back Jane and many thanks for putting into words my utter loathing for self-absorbed, self-important Helen.

    Just why Pat felt she needed Hel's (and to a lesser extent Tom's) permission to speak to Sharon is one of the mysteries of the age.

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  • Message 15

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    Posted by jane c (U2234970) on Wednesday, 7th December 2011

    Great post, namesake - and good to see you posting again!

    jx

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  • Message 16

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    Posted by Auntie Molly (U14110968) on Wednesday, 7th December 2011



    This SL about Pat & the brat who might be John's is killing my will to listen. On many photos, I look like Maggie Thatcher, for heavens sake, and I KNOW we're not related!
    Anyone for a Campaign for the Return of the Real Pat? 


    in photos I have seen of a colleague's mum she's a dead ringer for the Queen. It is however highly unlikely that they are related.

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  • Message 17

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    Posted by Scarlett the Harlot (U14540168) on Wednesday, 7th December 2011

    Top post Janie.

    I just listened again to Helen's diatribe at Tony she said "I" EIGHT times during that short encounter.

    Nuff said I think.

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  • Message 18

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    Posted by sarah gibbons (U14572317) on Wednesday, 7th December 2011

    I am one hundred percent certain that what I am about to write will have already been said by other posters, and I look forward to having my views confirmed when I browse the MB after this. But really, I had to get a bit of the splenetic rage I'm feeling at Helen out of my system doubleplusquick.

    I think Pat is acting in a foolish and potentially harmful way about Rich, but really, what in the name of god gives Helen the right to tell her parents what to do? And in such bald, strident and unempathetic terms, to boot?

    I was spluttering with derision as I listened to Tony's complete cave-in to the self-obsessed harpy Helen last night. what a poor apology for a parent he is, indulging a child's complete personal absorption, rather than gently persuading her that there might be other opinions to be considered. Or, even, just telling the selfish mare to button up and back off.

    Of course, if Helen wasn't still sponging the parental home at past the age of thirty, complete with baby vanity project and a hatful of revisionist theories about her devotion to Dead John, then she might be capable of a bit more of a lucid take on the subject.

    Truly, that woman makes my hand itch. God alone knows what kind of sanctimonious little prig Henry is going to grow into, with his mother spouting peremptory and pious drivel on the lines of, this is MY LAST WORD on the subject, because Henry's already had a stressful morning.

    I fed my babies on yoghurt and banana, and when I heard Helen offering Henry the same last night, I wished I'd crammed their little faces with sugar bombs and milk duds. That is what the woman does to me.

    Rant over. Thanks for reading.

    Cheers, Jane 
    I totally agree,how funny if Henry's biological grandmother turned up at Funny Farm.

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  • Message 19

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    Posted by DracoM1 (U14252039) on Wednesday, 7th December 2011

    Grand rant, Janie. So, so right.

    And this is the wunnerful famlee who want to ritually sacrifice a 13 yr old boy so that his blood and guts will 'heal' them in an all-consuming 'miracle'.

    There is gravely distressing bonkers, and then there is BF.





    Strewth.

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  • Message 20

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Wednesday, 7th December 2011

    Grade A rant, Janie!

    How does Henry having had a stressful morning have anything to do with it? That Helen knows she is incapable of not behaving in a way that will upset him, if she talks with her father. Well in that case, Helen, you need to learn a bit of self-control, because your child is going to have to see you when you are not absolutely on top of the world *some* time before he leaves home, isn't he. Or are you planning to have nobody ever doing anything you haven't decided you want them to for the next fifteen years and a month?

    Helen is simply dreadful, and what possesses any of the editorial team to think we might like or approve of her I cannot imagine. Well did Louiza Patikas speak when she said that Helen needed slapping.

    Things that came to mind reading the rest of the thread:

    Judith @ 5, it isn't just Tony who isn't accepting Brenda as a member of the family -- which she isn't, in cold fact: she is his son's leman, at present and until she is accepted as a member by the family, and that is not something you automatically achieve just by cohabiting. It was Pat, not Tony, who carefully set up the family meeting for the first evening this year that Brenda was away.

    gigglemahanaz @ 7, Tom is indeed just being his normal self: he is taking care of his sister at the expense of his own concerns, as he has always had to ever since she decided that her way forward was to be "fragile". Before that they had quarrels of her making the entire time; since then he has had to protect her or she will once again do her best to kill herself or someone else.

    RSy @ 9, if Tony were able to be that assertive he'd've chucked Helen and Tom out years ago, so he won't ever do it, but what a loely vision you do conjure up!

    Squire @ 10, "he has a wishbone where a backbone should be" is pure delight: thank you!

    GBB @ 14, Pat knew what a fuss there would be if she *didn't* tell Helen and Tom her suspicions about Rich, and on the whole didn't want it. That is why she tried to get her nasty brats to agree about her ringing Sharon. She hoped (foolishly) that if they were brought in on the decision they wouldn't kick up so much.



    About the photo and people being related in general, I have a feeling that in this country unless you are a recent immigrant and have no ancestry at all here, the chances are you are related to *everybody* if you go back a few centuries. (Let's not get into the entire human race being descended from about twenty ancestors...)

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  • Message 21

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    Posted by Earldunda (U14196337) on Wednesday, 7th December 2011

    I agree with your character analysis of the awful Helen.
    There is one thing though, hard to say, but Helen is right for once: Pat should leave well alone.

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  • Message 22

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    Posted by Dr Toad Leg (U14567813) on Wednesday, 7th December 2011

    Sincerest Gratters on an exceptional rant Jane.
    Just how many unlikely storylines are we expected to tolerate?
    With characters undergoing personality changes in order to pursue the objectives of short-term and improbable 'plots', TA has become risible.
    The only reason for listening these days is to come in her and join ones friends in a chorus of jeers.

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  • Message 23

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    Posted by Marmalade Drizzle (U2239190) on Wednesday, 7th December 2011

    And also...

    HOW ON EARTH DOES AN 11MONTH OLD BABY HAVE A STRESSFUL MORNING?????

    Did he step in cat sick first thing?
    Did he have to deal with a car that failed to start and an important meeting to get to?
    Has the washing machine packed up spewing suds all over the floor?

    Or was he just a bit grisly becasue this is the age when babies begin to realise that there are other people outside of his close knit family and he has just realised what a rotten hand he has been dealt?

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  • Message 24

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    Posted by Feral_Ralph (U2333894) on Wednesday, 7th December 2011

    Dracs, the interest of a child is not paramount to something that (1) "could finally bring healing to this family" and (2) he's John's son "our grandchild". Oh dear. For those who know a little of the law I'm being ironic so no need for a detailed rebuttal.

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  • Message 25

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    Posted by Lady Trudie Tilney Glorfindel Maldini (U2222312) on Wednesday, 7th December 2011

    Top rant, jane.

    But Marms, yes this is what has been bothering me. What on earth happened to ickle Henree yesterday? Was it the scary bit in In The Night Garden again?

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  • Message 26

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    Posted by Marmalade Drizzle (U2239190) on Wednesday, 7th December 2011

    Top rant, jane.

    But Marms, yes this is what has been bothering me. What on earth happened to ickle Henree yesterday? Was it the scary bit in In The Night Garden again? 

    Henry must be the most stressful 11 month old ever.

    Although maybe it isn't him that gets stressful, it's his mother. Despite the fact that she has free home and board and meals on the table and child a on tap, Helen cannot cope.

    Marms

    PS nice Christmas name Erms!

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  • Message 27

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    Posted by SteveKills (U14949122) on Wednesday, 7th December 2011

    'There is gravely distressing bonkers, and then there is BF. '

    I am all for closing the Convent of the Sacred Part, Prestatyn and moving all the sisters immediately to BF, Draccers.

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  • Message 28

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    Posted by Feral_Ralph (U2333894) on Wednesday, 7th December 2011

    Better than rebranding. Or it could be called the Convent as opposed to the Priory.

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  • Message 29

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    Posted by aquaticDougal (U3480367) on Wednesday, 7th December 2011

    'There is gravely distressing bonkers, and then there is BF. '

    I am all for closing the Convent of the Sacred Part, Prestatyn and moving all the sisters immediately to BF, Draccers. 
    Yes ... resident "help" with straight jackets & buckets of Mogadon.

    Perfect.

    "Care in the Conservatory" we could call it!

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  • Message 30

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    Posted by staircase23 (U10337151) on Wednesday, 7th December 2011

    Top rant, jane.

    But Marms, yes this is what has been bothering me. What on earth happened to ickle Henree yesterday? Was it the scary bit in In The Night Garden again? 

    Henry must be the most stressful 11 month old ever.

    Although maybe it isn't him that gets stressful, it's his mother. Despite the fact that she has free home and board and meals on the table and child a on tap, Helen cannot cope.

    Marms

    PS nice Christmas name Erms! 
    Love Jane's rant.

    No wonder poor Henry is stressed. Anyone would be stressed by such prolonged contact with Helen.

    I still cling to the theory that Helen was originally supposed to go into meltdown last year thus SATTC but the SL had to be temporarily shelved because Louiza Patikas was unavailable over the crucial period.

    The revelation that the nuns of Prestatyn originated in Mustardland has come as a shock. Next someone will confess that Brian's tasselled loafers have never been discussed on air.

    You have a nice Christmas name too, Marms.

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  • Message 31

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    Posted by DracoM1 (U14252039) on Wednesday, 7th December 2011

    Squire and Ralphers - total snork of bliss !!

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  • Message 32

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    Posted by TownieJane (U14315138) on Wednesday, 7th December 2011

    Thank you for all your lovely and funny replies and also the kind words of welcome back.

    One reason I am even more airigated than usual over the vile Helen is that she, of all people, should have given great thought to the potential bombshell that may lie in wait for those children born outside a conventional biological mum-and-dad set up, and their parents (in the broadest sense. If she is on the point of foaming neurosis at the thought that her brother may have fathered a child in what was, let's face it, a perfectly ordinary affair, then what kind of conniption fit will she spin off into when Henry wants to know who donated the sample that brought him into being? Eh?

    I also go all tight-lipped and sneery when I hear Pat panting on about Rich being 'John's son'. Well, only in the sense of his having dibbed in, in an involuntary sort of way, with a blob of DNA. I remember very well the way, on Sharon's return to Ambridge around the time of John's death, when the closing line of one episode was a horrified gasp from the nun-botherer: Oh, god, you don't think she's pregnant, do you? All a bit different now, for some unfathomable reason.

    Cheers, Jane



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  • Message 33

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    Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Wednesday, 7th December 2011

    in photos I have seen of a colleague's mum she's a dead ringer for the Queen. It is however highly unlikely that they are related. 

    If you had reason to think that your colleague's mum might be the illegitimate daughter of George VI would you regard the likeness as evidential?

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  • Message 34

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    Posted by bornagainbartleby (U14365444) on Wednesday, 7th December 2011

    Helen is doing what she does best and turns this situation around to herself, Tom is just being his normal self so nothing new there.

    Tony has turned into a '70's comdey version of a hen peck husband, he does as he's told by the wife and daughter and son!


    I really wish Helen would be abducted by aliens. 
    That's not very kind. Think of the effect on the poor aliens' health and sanity if they had Helen blarting on and on and on at them whilst they travelled for many light years with her in their UFO and no means of escape ( for them).

    After her giving the world the gift of the Miraculous One, as well.

    When it finally speaks ( probably at the age of about 24 because she won't allow it to have an independent voice before then ) and asks its Daddy's name, will she say, "Pyrex - and not another word on the subject. I've had a VERY stressful morning."

    *Runs up to her room - still at BF - having a hissy fit.*

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  • Message 35

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    Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Wednesday, 7th December 2011

    HOW ON EARTH DOES AN 11MONTH OLD BABY HAVE A STRESSFUL MORNING????? 

    And did I hear said 11mo responding intelligently to a question about lunch choices? I know wordss are possible, but is discourse realistic?

    Incidentally, Helen DID mention the impact on Rich!

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  • Message 36

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    Posted by Lady Trudie Tilney Glorfindel Maldini (U2222312) on Wednesday, 7th December 2011

    Thanks Marms, you too!

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  • Message 37

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    Posted by anna kist (U2314477) on Wednesday, 7th December 2011

    Top rant, Jane. I share your feelings about Helen and the whole dysfunctional tribe. Not good for the blood pressure is it?

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  • Message 38

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    Posted by anna kist (U2314477) on Wednesday, 7th December 2011

    If only rsy, if only ...

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  • Message 39

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    Posted by chinesewhitebedsock (U5822019) on Wednesday, 7th December 2011



    Normal people who are contemplating AID would indeed have given great thought to the potential bombshell that may lie in wait for their future children, Jane - but this is Hellqueen we are talking about, and I doubt she gave it a thought when she took the turkey baster's shilling. It was what SHE wanted, nobody else mattered. Sod the consequences for the future sprog.wonderful mater.

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  • Message 40

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    Posted by chinesewhitebedsock (U5822019) on Wednesday, 7th December 2011

    Delete last 2 words of previous post, can't get used to new style posting yet...

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  • Message 41

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    Posted by overandout (U10539354) on Wednesday, 7th December 2011

    " Henry's stressful morning"
    perhaps it was caused by having a nappy change.


    A collegue has just had a baby boy and when we made a joke about having to get the hang of "quick change nappy before you get an eyeful" she said " He doesn't like being exposed " .

    What a weird thing to say about a one week old.

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  • Message 42

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    Posted by pollyanna (U7304225) on Wednesday, 7th December 2011

    Just wanted to add to the chorus of approval and agreement Jane: great post, said it all. And good to see you again.

    Henry must surely have a fair few teeth by now. If only he would bite the hand that feeds him, following in his mother's current example.

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    Posted by anna kist (U2314477) on Wednesday, 7th December 2011

    Or may be something else other than her hand. She must be still breastfeeding....

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    Posted by pollyanna (U7304225) on Wednesday, 7th December 2011

    Do you think she is anna? Yep, answering my own question, of course she will be.

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  • Message 45

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    Posted by anna kist (U2314477) on Wednesday, 7th December 2011

    and for at least another two years or like a woman whose child was at my daughter's school even longer. She used to breastfeed this boy in the playground when we picked the children upin the afternoon. Most of us had to scrape our jaws of the ground.

    I often wonder what happened to that child.... Poor Hank what a life he will have.

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  • Message 46

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    Posted by Scarlett the Harlot (U14540168) on Wednesday, 7th December 2011

    I was just going to post that the Hell Queen will be breastfeeding Henry way past the appropriate age and you beat me too it Anna!

    The thought of Helen breastfeeding Henry when he is 3 years old ......


    BOAK BOAK BOAK

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  • Message 47

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    Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Wednesday, 7th December 2011

    and for at least another two years or like a woman whose child was at my daughter's school even longer. She used to breastfeed this boy in the playground when we picked the children upin the afternoon. Most of us had to scrape our jaws of the ground. 

    ..whilst wholly supporting her freedom to do so?

    How old was the boy?

    As to Henry - I worry for his manhood.

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  • Message 48

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    Posted by anna kist (U2314477) on Wednesday, 7th December 2011

    The boy was about 5. I can't remember what happened to him he was only at the school a term I think. Even the teacher found it hard to keep her face straight.


    It isn't just Hank's manhood I worry about...

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    Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Wednesday, 7th December 2011

    The boy was about 5. I can't remember what happened to him he was only at the school a term I think. Even the teacher found it hard to keep her face straight. 

    Mrs Walliams?

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  • Message 50

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    Posted by Helen (U14292131) on Wednesday, 7th December 2011

    I have thought about this if my son died and I had a glimmer of a child by him being around I think I would move heaven and earth to find out if it was my grandchild...I have never lost a child but can imagine you would grasp at any link.

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