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  • Message 1. 

    Posted by rick_yard_withdrawn (U14573092) on Thursday, 6th October 2011

    David is on his high horse all over the place about Clive Horrobin....

    But Clive isn't the one that caused the deaths of two people, is he....?

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  • Message 2

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    Posted by Freda Fry (U12836683) on Thursday, 6th October 2011

    So who is, then? Certainly not David.

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  • Message 3

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    Posted by rick_yard_withdrawn (U14573092) on Thursday, 6th October 2011

    You must be Ruth Archer - I claim my £5.0s.0d

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  • Message 4

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    Posted by Borrowed Time (U14261253) on Thursday, 6th October 2011

    Well, the dropping branch on the head of Jethro certainly 'involved' Dopey as did the recent Lower Poxley Roof Diving Competition.

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  • Message 5

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    Posted by rick_yard_withdrawn (U14573092) on Thursday, 6th October 2011

    David of course is the factor that if removed from the two equations would have given a different outcome...

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  • Message 6

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    Posted by Our_Freda (U4239986) on Thursday, 6th October 2011

    did you actually here the Jethro incident?

    and Nigel did not fall, he was pushed, by an Anniversary.

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  • Message 7

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Thursday, 6th October 2011

    Yes indeed. If David had refused to work with somene who was not properly dressed for the job Jethro would have died alone when he made a mess of tree-cutting having refused to wear the regulation safety-gear; if David had refused to do the favour Nigel demanded, Nigel might not have insisted on going up on that roof at night in defiance of Elizabeth's orders -- or he might have tried to do it on his own, since he was so determined that tomorrow would be too late.

    I don't see what David's past actions or inactions have to do with it anyway: Rhys and Bert were out of order, as Mike had already made clear, no matter *what* David might have done.

    I don't see why David should be expected not to care that his mother was nearly killed, his aunt had a nervous breakdown, his sister's horses were mutilated, two of his cousins were traumatised and used as hostages in an armed raid, his uncle-by-marriage was caused to have a heart attack and his aunt's house burnt to the ground, by Clive, and not to find prurient chortling about it to be thoroughly distasteful. I don't see why Mike should be expected to listen to a rehearsal of an occasion on which his wife's life was threatened, with ooh-how-dreadful excalmations from someone who is obviously enjoying the recital.

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  • Message 8

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    Posted by JoinedPeetsBoard_Smeesues_too (U14519481) on Thursday, 6th October 2011

    No - Jethro *insisted* on carrying on with the job without safety equipment or precautions.

    In the second - well what David said was stupid - but Nigel had choices didn't he?

    Whereas Clive's victims had no choice whatsoever when he deliberately endangered their lives
    JPBS

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  • Message 9

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    Posted by Our_Freda (U4239986) on Thursday, 6th October 2011

    well said Chris

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  • Message 10

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    Posted by JustJanie - Fairweather Strider (U10822512) on Thursday, 6th October 2011

    You know, there's just something about David that makes me want to stick a pin in his pompousness no matter how right he may be.

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  • Message 11

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    Posted by sunnysakasredux (U14979019) on Thursday, 6th October 2011

    I think the actor who plays David is posh and like my mum he gets to sound posher when he is angry. But David had every right to get on his high horse with Bert if David had been Clive he would probably have hit someone. Bert was an insensitive old gossip and Rhy was behaving in a beyond childish way about something real.
    Nigel went on the roof 'cos the editor wanted to shake ambridge to the core, David taunted him 'cos they wanted a feud with David and Lizzie. Yawn! But Nigel (the character) was responsible for his own death! David didn't push him. I don't know about the rest of the stuff. I don't agree with killing Badgers but some Farmers think they carry TB!
    Clive trying to immolate David's mother and aunt. Slash and kill horses.
    thus terrorising his sister. Well I would have been on my highest horse with a horse whip if I had been David! Bert owes, if not David then at least Jill some loyalty.
    Poor research on the s/ws' part I think. Rhys might have been prurient but I don't believe it would have been Bert gossiping, someone not as close to the archer family I think.
    Sorry if this is more garbled than usual I'm a bit tired.
    David is not my favourite character but tonight he was justified.
    Clive is a nasty person who upset me when I was about 11 with his horse slashing and burning.
    xxxx

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  • Message 12

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    Posted by sunnysakasredux (U14979019) on Thursday, 6th October 2011

    You know, there's just something about David that makes me want to stick a pin in his pompousness no matter how right he may be.   Well yes Janiexxxx
    the above is true but David had every right tonight. He couldn't punch an old man but Bert worked for David's dad for years gossiping in that stupid insensitive way! But David is a bit of a nob. (in every way)
    how are vicky's bears?
    good night sweet princes (male and female Guardian pc gender there) flights of angels etc...
    I never thought I would ever stick up for David! Must be maturity creeping over me.
    xxxx

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  • Message 13

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    Posted by JoinedPeetsBoard_Smeesues_too (U14519481) on Thursday, 6th October 2011

    I think Clive is a sociopath sonny. And certainly if it had been Clive listening to gossip about his relatives he'd have dotted someone.

    And yes - like you I'm surprised at Bert joining in and enjoying the gossip - and have said so on another thread
    JPBS

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  • Message 14

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    Posted by Our_Freda (U4239986) on Thursday, 6th October 2011

    Well it is well known that I adore David.
    So I would say this wouldn't I.
    But I agree with Chris, and actually, I don't think Bert would talk like that without a great deal more caution.
    I've only read the synopsis, but was he aware that David was there?
    If so, I'm sorry, he might have said all that behind his back, but not in front of even the son of the farmer he'd worked for for years.
    I know a few Berts, and they say some terrible things about the 'David's and some worse things about the 'Josh's - but seldom a word against the 'Phil's even in private, - and never, never any of it in the village pub.
    They actually aren't stupid.

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  • Message 15

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    Posted by mike (U14258103) on Thursday, 6th October 2011

    David Archer is a big jessie. If he can't deal with ordinary pub banter then he should follow the advice often given to posters on this board (i.e. scroll on by).

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  • Message 16

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    Posted by Our_Freda (U4239986) on Thursday, 6th October 2011

    Pub banter?
    Glad I don't go in your local.

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  • Message 17

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    Posted by Malahide (U14258229) on Thursday, 6th October 2011

    David Archer is a big jessie. If he can't deal with ordinary pub banter then he should follow the advice often given to posters on this board (i.e. scroll on by).  Absolutely agree - it's high time there was some true-to-life gossip and schadenfreude in the Bull. I thought the scene rang absolutely true.

    Bert's an old bore and obviously relished being able to tell a newcomer all the gory details one of Ambridge's legendary events. I'm sure in any small community such an incident would be told over and over.

    David's pomposity was typical though I'm not sure either the actor or the SW meant it to come over as it did. IMO TB just can't cope with nuances

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  • Message 18

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    Posted by maggiesaes (U2771771) on Thursday, 6th October 2011

    Pub banter?
    Glad I don't go in your local. 
    Me too it sounds a right dive.

    I too think Bert would not be the one to tell the tales,he's loyal and protective.

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  • Message 19

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    Posted by Our_Freda (U4239986) on Thursday, 6th October 2011

    and knows which side his bread's buttered.

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  • Message 20

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    Posted by JoinedPeetsBoard_Smeesues_too (U14519481) on Thursday, 6th October 2011


    David's pomposity was typical though I'm not sure either the actor or the SW meant it to come over as it did. IMO TB just can't cope with nuances 
    It didn't come across to *me* as pomposity - it came across as anger and hurt.

    `Gossip' would be Kenton moving in to the Bull.

    Going over Clive's crimes and Susan's involvement is muck raking
    JPBS

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  • Message 21

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    Posted by Phantomofnigel (U14872663) on Thursday, 6th October 2011

    The whole thing is understandably upsetting for David, but he didn't have to be such a pompous prig about it. He could have just quietly said it's my family so I'd rather not hear it thanks and walked away - with dignity - I thought it was overplayed and he ended up sounding a bit childish about it.

    Bert loves telling stories, and this is a big part of Ambridge's past. I wasn't at all surprised to hear him telling Rhys, although I do think it went on a bit (presumably they've realised that not all listeners have been around for 20 years or more and suddenly thought they'd better recap on Clive the Horrible).

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  • Message 22

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    Posted by Burberry (U14785386) on Thursday, 6th October 2011

    Agreed. An old man (Bert) recounting Ambridge's history for the eager
    ears of a relative newcomer (Rhys) is a perfectly normal thing -
    especially over a pint or two in a pub.
    David has always been a pompous ass, and takes his role as chief
    of the first family in Ambridge a tad too seriously.

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  • Message 23

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    Posted by maggiesaes (U2771771) on Thursday, 6th October 2011

    and knows which side his bread's buttered.  He does.
    Now I can imagine Joe telling the story with relish.

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  • Message 24

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    Posted by Now Locking for a house (U3261819) on Friday, 7th October 2011

    Dave is obviously not one for rehabilitation then.....!

    I suspect he has signed the capital punishment petition.

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  • Message 25

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    Posted by Burberry (U14785386) on Friday, 7th October 2011

    Are you still in the USA, Locki?
    Arizona?

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  • Message 26

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    Posted by Athena Ergane (U14927530) on Friday, 7th October 2011

    That was what I heard too. Rhys had realised that Clive's return was not welcome and Bert - who does like to be the custodian of all Ambridge history - was explaining to him (and any new listeners).

    OK Rhys was insensitive, but to a newcomer to a quiet rural village it must have seemed unbelievable when recounted all at once.

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  • Message 27

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    Posted by Scarlett the Harlot (U14540168) on Friday, 7th October 2011

    You know, there's just something about David that makes me want to stick a pin in his pompousness no matter how right he may be.  

    That is exactly how I feel Janie. I agreed with what he said about Clive but it was the way he said it like he is briefcasing the Lord of the Manor.

    He really makes my teeth itch when he pontificates.


    Scarlett xxx

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  • Message 28

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    Posted by JoinedPeetsBoard_Smeesues_too (U14519481) on Friday, 7th October 2011

    Dave is obviously not one for rehabilitation then.....!

    I suspect he has signed the capital punishment petition. 
    I think that's a bit much Babushka. There's rehabilitation and there's self preservation. I certainly do believe in the former and do NOT believe in Capital Punishment.

    However I'ld avoid Clive like the plague - how could someone who'ld suffered at his hands *NOT* be fearful of him ..
    JPBS

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  • Message 29

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    Posted by shulascat (U14737252) on Friday, 7th October 2011

    Since when has Clive been responsible for the death of George Barford? I've never heard that mentioned before. I thought George just died of a heart attack.

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  • Message 30

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    Posted by JoinedPeetsBoard_Smeesues_too (U14519481) on Friday, 7th October 2011

    It is generally thought that the stress George was put through by Clive (I think that included beating him up) contributed to his death.

    Even Jazzer said so - though his is not a word I think carries much weight considering the harm he has wreaked.. but *NOT* in Clives league I hasten to add ..
    JPBS

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  • Message 31

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    Posted by Scarlett the Harlot (U14540168) on Friday, 7th October 2011

    Me too shulascat.

    The way David said "we are all agreed on that" after mentioning the heart attack made me want to punch him very hard in the face and then knee him in the knackers.

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  • Message 32

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    Posted by JoinedPeetsBoard_Smeesues_too (U14519481) on Friday, 7th October 2011

    Me too shulascat.

    The way David said "we are all agreed on that" after mentioning the heart attack made me want to punch him very hard in the face and then knee him in the knackers.

     
    But I think everyone in the village *does* agree that Clive's persecution of George contributed to his death? Even Jazzer!! I think the only one who might disagree is Ivy Horrobin
    JPBS

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  • Message 33

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    Posted by Scarlett the Harlot (U14540168) on Friday, 7th October 2011

    News to me Bunnikins but then I was not listening then.

    Regardless it is the WAY he says things not whether or not they are entirely justified.

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  • Message 34

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    Posted by shulascat (U14737252) on Friday, 7th October 2011

    I thought that George was killed off by the SWs because the actor playing him died. Nothing to do with Clive.

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  • Message 35

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Friday, 7th October 2011

    It was not Bert's gossiping that David was annoyed by: he came in too late to hear that. Bert said he had been telling Rhys about it, but not the way in which it had been received.

    It was the barman taking it upon himself to say, for no reason and in no context, "Oh, David, you'll know all about Cliove's crimes, won't you, about that fire he set at the police house" and then "yeah, yeah, I've had every" [breathy emphasis on next word] "gory detail" [little laugh] "it sounds like a gangster movie".

    I think that pointing out at this point that it was real life was really quite a mild rebuke to the prurient little person.

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  • Message 36

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    Posted by Tadpole (U2267185) on Friday, 7th October 2011

    David Archer is a big jessie. If he can't deal with ordinary pub banter then he should follow the advice often given to posters on this board (i.e. scroll on by).  Absolutely agree - it's high time there was some true-to-life gossip and schadenfreude in the Bull. I thought the scene rang absolutely true.

    Bert's an old bore and obviously relished being able to tell a newcomer all the gory details one of Ambridge's legendary events. I'm sure in any small community such an incident would be told over and over.

    David's pomposity was typical though I'm not sure either the actor or the SW meant it to come over as it did. IMO TB just can't cope with nuances  


    I agree, Malahide, Ambridge should be rife with salacious gossip and schadenfreude and resentful mutterings about the bluddy Archer clan etc etc. Bring it on.

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  • Message 37

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Friday, 7th October 2011

    If I were having a salacious little gossip about someone's sister, mother and aunt, I might have the tact or sense of self-preservation not to ask *him* about it with a little titter and an inappropriate comparison. As someone pointed out somewhere, if Rhys had done to Clive what he did to David, Rhys would have been in physical danger.

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  • Message 38

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    Posted by JoinedPeetsBoard_Smeesues_too (U14519481) on Friday, 7th October 2011

    I think if Clive had tried to do to Rhys the things he did to some others I think Clive would have been in physical danger !

    Clive only picked on those he perceived as weaker than himself..
    JPBS

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  • Message 39

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Friday, 7th October 2011

    Clive would fight dirty, and would be tooled up. Also Rhys clearly doesn't expect trouble to come from his flapping yap.

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