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Nic should have stood up to Emma's rudeness.

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    Posted by Purple_Hay (U14319650) on Monday, 18th July 2011

    I can see this escalating.

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    Posted by Ruralrambler (U11117592) on Monday, 18th July 2011

    It would not have been a good time to respond, and Nic would just have got blamed by everyone for spoiling Emma's party, even though Emma was rude and nasty.

    Nic was very restrained - I hope she can get her own back some time - revenge is a dish best served cold!

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    Posted by sunnyakasonnycitizen (U14405687) on Monday, 18th July 2011

    Get her own back Rural? Her own back for what exactly the fact that she apologised and Emma didn't accept it? Just because someone says sorry it doesn't mean the person being apologised to has to accept the apology does it? Emma was fed up because she felt Nic's child did not behave well at Kiera's christening. Emma was rude but that is Emma's problem not Nic's. If Nic really meant the apology why should she care whether Emma has the orace to accept it or not? It is Emma's problem not Nic's. I thought Mia was funny btw. But, I don't understand why Nic should want revenge! Dear Nic so sweet to everyone. Emma was just being honest.

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    Posted by mike (U14258103) on Monday, 18th July 2011

    I rather enjoyed hearing Emma put the child-basher in her place.

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    Posted by sunnyakasonnycitizen (U14405687) on Monday, 18th July 2011

    I rather enjoyed hearing Emma put the child-basher in her place.  Yes I thought it was funny as well. I don't suppose any of the females in my family would have a high opinion of somebody who hit their child either. Nic the child basher love it. Why should Emma like Nic!
    xx

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    Posted by Ruralrambler (U11117592) on Monday, 18th July 2011

    To call someone a child basher because once, under pressure, she slapped a child's leg seems a bit extreme!

    And I seem to recall that actually Emma was less upset by the slap than some others anyway - it's never a good idea to chastise someone else's child but poor old Nic is hardly a child abuser.

    No, sunny, of course Emma does not have to accept Nic's apology, but it would have been gracious and pleasant of her to do so. However, she does not usually bother being pleasant unless there is a benefit to her, so no surprise there!

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    Posted by sunnyakasonnycitizen (U14405687) on Monday, 18th July 2011

    No not really Rural it isn't extreme, Emma would be quite within her rights to prevent Nic from having contact with George. But then it is one law for Emma on here and another one for Nic, there is no excuse for hitting a child imo! I also think nic is a child basher, she bashed a child.
    I think Mike was being ironic and having a joke anyway. Maybe Emma knew Nic wasn't really sorry. Plus you have really explained why you think Nic should want her cold dish of revenge against Emma. Perhaps it would have been better if NIc hadn't gone to the christening or having gone perhaps she should have removed Mia when she made her loud remarks. Oops sorry didn't mean to knife you victim. That's ok you have said sorry I accept. That's alright then 'cos if you had been rude about my apology I would have to take my revenge. Just not logical thinking.

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    Posted by HappyLammy (U13708489) on Monday, 18th July 2011

    To call someone a child basher because once, under pressure, she slapped a child's leg seems a bit extreme!

    And I seem to recall that actually Emma was less upset by the slap than some others anyway - it's never a good idea to chastise someone else's child but poor old Nic is hardly a child abuser.

    No, sunny, of course Emma does not have to accept Nic's apology, but it would have been gracious and pleasant of her to do so. However, she does not usually bother being pleasant unless there is a benefit to her, so no surprise there!

     
    Well, I'm going to confess - I'm a child basher. I slapped my No.1 son's leg ONCE when he was playing up (when he was about 2 or 3, (I can't do it now as he's 29 and 6ft tall....)

    Nic came to apologise to Emma and E should realise that children are curious about out of the normal occasions (I wonder how Emma would have reacted if it had been Georgie - her own son - loudly asking the questions?)

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    Posted by kitty buttoon (U13699996) on Monday, 18th July 2011

    When Nic slapped Jawgee (and was spotted hauling him roughly across a car park), it was very shocking, and iirc, Will dumped Nic as a result, with the full support of everyone in his family.

    I was surprised when they got back together again, because if it had been my child, I wouldn't have risked re-introducing that person into my child's life.

    It seemed surprising to me at the time that Emma would allow Jawgee to spend time in Nic's sole care after the Grundies had been so horrified by her earlier behaviour.

    Now we've been reintroduced to Nic as a very kind, helpful, caring sort of person, and the SWs seem to have forgotten all about her rather nasty past. I can only think that they, and the Grundies, have very short memories.

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    Posted by sunnyakasonnycitizen (U14405687) on Monday, 18th July 2011

    Yes Lammy you may have slapped your son's leg but have you bashed other children in your care? I think the s/ws are just making Nic into a saint. I don't like her. If I were a parent I would not want my child left in the care of someone who hit them. Emma was rude but Nic was a child basher, saying sorry doesn't always make things right. Hi kittyxxx

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    Posted by Snow White (U14533965) on Monday, 18th July 2011

    When Nic slapped Jawgee (and was spotted hauling him roughly across a car park), it was very shocking, and iirc, Will dumped Nic as a result, with the full support of everyone in his family.

    I was surprised when they got back together again, because if it had been my child, I wouldn't have risked re-introducing that person into my child's life.

    It seemed surprising to me at the time that Emma would allow Jawgee to spend time in Nic's sole care after the Grundies had been so horrified by her earlier behaviour.

    Now we've been reintroduced to Nic as a very kind, helpful, caring sort of person, and the SWs seem to have forgotten all about her rather nasty past. I can only think that they, and the Grundies, have very short memories.

     
    I agree, Kitty.

    I think all this nicey nicey from Nic is a smokescreen and one day she is going to lose it and launch into Jawgee big time.

    I was going to say leopards don't change their spots, but then again, this is The Archers we are talking about. Just look at Hellqueen!

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    Posted by HappyLammy (U13708489) on Monday, 18th July 2011

    Yes Lammy you may have slapped your son's leg but have you bashed other children in your care? I think the s/ws are just making Nic into a saint. I don't like her. If I were a parent I would not want my child left in the care of someone who hit them. Emma was rude but Nic was a child basher, saying sorry doesn't always make things right. Hi kittyxxx  No sunny, never someone elses child . But I once had to drag my son (the same one) across the road on his stomach by the reins they sensibly wore back then because he decided to have a tantrum and lie down in the path of a concrete mixer!

    Sorry, but I don't count Nic's behaviour as child bashing - it was once and she learnt her lesson. She seems to be patient and understanding with Georgie now.

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    Posted by sunnyakasonnycitizen (U14405687) on Monday, 18th July 2011

    Yes Lammy but that was then and this is now, times have changed. Plus it was your son. George hardly knew Nic when she bashed him, which was separate from the dragging incident. Plus George was not/is not her child! This is a ridiculous transformation of a character. George would probably be very wary of Nic and he would be right to be. If Emma had hit him it wouldn't have been right, but she is his mother, his main care giver, and George would probably have forgiven her, 'cos she is his mum and he would probably have known why she hit him. Nic hit George 'cos he pushed Mia over when he was trying to stop her taking his toy. George was about 3 then, Mia and Jake had already taken his room at his dad's house. Times change, BUT George is Not Nic's to hit.
    xxxxxxx

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    Posted by anna kist (U2314477) on Monday, 18th July 2011

    Nic is a completely different character now ... amazing.

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    Posted by ruralsnowflakebliss (U8131914) on Monday, 18th July 2011

    I think we need to remember that the whole georgie/nic stuff was greatly written from Eds perspective and at that point he was scarcely unbiased and jealous as hell......

    The car park stuff was witnessed by fallon too who was not so certain what she saw... perhaps being firm?

    The bedroom... timeout as suggested

    georgie was crtainly proving a handful to others too and Nic had less to fall back on

    Even the SLAP was in the context of Nic frazzled and Mia being hurt... a

    Emma even didn't seem to over react.....

    We can have our ideological view on the smacking/ not smacking debate but the SW didn't write Nic as a monster on this one and even her reaction to Wills over reaction... given his lack of trust levels and being wound up by Ed of all people understandable....

    well it was a bit soapy in its extremity I thought.... but abuser... nah.

    I thought at teh time from Emmas lack of reactio that she rather understood how Nic could be frazzled and react and it was one of the times that I liked Emma in that she didn't add to wills distress.

    Always a question on that one.. I think we were meant to question the whole situation and the characters.

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    Posted by Sallyruth (U14589711) on Monday, 18th July 2011

    **It seemed surprising to me at the time that Emma would allow Jawgee to spend time in Nic's sole care after the Grundies had been so horrified by her earlier behaviour.**

    But Emma WASN'T horrified, was she? She asked if george was hurt, and then said, more or less, No Use Crying Over Slapped Leg.

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    Posted by Sallyruth (U14589711) on Monday, 18th July 2011

    I tend to agree.

    If Will REALLY thought Nic was abusing his child, why did he leave his son in her care, PRETEND to have been called in to work on one of the precious days he was allowed to see Geo, and sneak back to try and catchher at it?

    If she was really being abusive to George, that was a TERRIBLE thing to do to George, and Will is an abuser.

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    Posted by EBGB (U2613853) on Monday, 18th July 2011

    Well, I'm going to confess - I'm a child basher. 
    Your honesty is one up on my late mother, then. She swore blind a couple of years ago that she'd NEVER smacked me, which was odd, because:

    1) I remember it happening multiple times.
    2) I remember turning to her, age 12, when I was just taller than her, and she had her hand raised, and I told her that if she smacked me I'd smack her back. Oddly enough, she never smacked me again.
    3) When I repeated her claim about non-smacking to my father and sister - individually - they both looked staggered and then laughed out loud at the ridiculousness of it. My sister said that even she was smacked occasionally, and that was *far* less likely to have occurred given personality.

    I'm not saying that everyone on here who claims they've never smacked a child is deceiving themselves to this extent. But I am suggesting that not EVERY parent may be as innocent of it as they would like to believe themselves.

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    Posted by EBGB (U2613853) on Monday, 18th July 2011

    Plus George was not/is not her child! 
    He's as much her child as he is Ed's. As much as Debbie or Adam is Brian's. As much as Daniel is Alistair's. As much as Lucy was Sid's. As much as Jamie was Kenton's. Yet rarely are stepfathers judged and found wanting. Are you suggesting that none of those men is likely to have resorted to disciplining a child in a way that you'd dislike?

    Being a stepmother can be a hellish job. There is often an external presumption that you are the lesser partner & that consequently your views are irrelevant, even though often, when the children (if normally resident with the mother) are around, they're still magically your responsibility rather than their father's. But, of course, you have no right to criticise anything they do or say because you're not anyone's flesh and blood.

    [continuing rant removed for brevity]

    AAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

    Apologies, 11 years of stress will out...

    I think Nic actually does a rather better job of treating her 2 and Georgie equally than most anti-Nic people give her credit for. I'd be interested to hear the opinions of anyone who's lived with two or more sets of kids on how difficult it is to remain that fair.

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    Posted by anna kist (U2314477) on Monday, 18th July 2011

    Can you imagine the carry on if Ed smacked George?

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    Posted by Lakey_Hill (U14391672) on Monday, 18th July 2011

    Nic has perhpas got better at being fair. To me she seemed to favour her two over George in the beginning (perfectly understandable in many ways).

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    Posted by Digitalis lividus et niger (U8605497) on Monday, 18th July 2011


    I think Nic actually does a rather better job of treating her 2 and Georgie equally than most anti-Nic people give her credit for. I'd be interested to hear the opinions of anyone who's lived with two or more sets of kids on how difficult it is to remain that fair.
     


    Well /I/ sympathise with both you and Nic. Step-parenting can be absolute misery. Equally, when it goes right, it's wonderful. The wonder took me nearly twenty years, EBGB, so don't give up!!

    Dig

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    Posted by Sallyruth (U14589711) on Monday, 18th July 2011

    **. As much as Lucy was Sid's. **

    Lucy WAS sid and polly's daughter.

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    Posted by EBGB (U2613853) on Monday, 18th July 2011

    so don't give up!! 

    Thanks, but I already had to. The eldest stepchild had a lot to do with it, unfortunately, and is still making the lives of his entire family unbearable. I did at least have the option of walking away!

    I'm still in touch with my other stepson, however, which is very nice.

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    Posted by EBGB (U2613853) on Monday, 18th July 2011

    Lucy WAS sid and polly's daughter. 

    You're absolutely right, of course, I meant Fallon w.r.t. Sid. Duh.

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    Posted by Paul237 (U12153576) on Monday, 18th July 2011

    Sorry, but I don't see that there's anything wrong with giving children a light slap when they're being very naughty. My parents very occasionally smacked me, my brother and sister when we were young and while I didn't like it at the time, with the benefit of hindsight I agree with her doing it.

    Sometimes children act up to such a degree that it's sadly the only way they can understand what they've done is wrong. Pushing over another, younger child is very naughty and shouldn't be tolerated. George was badly behaved and the fact he thought that was acceptable behaviour points to the fact that Emma saying "oh don't do that, George" wasn't exactly helping.

    Beating children is completely different -- and no one would advocate that. But slapping a very naughty child on the leg isn't child bashing. Typical PC nonsense!

    Will's overreaction was his issue, not Nic's. He knew he shouldn't have left Nic with no support for so long. But he couldn't admit that and got angry with her. She's a saint for tolerating him anyway.

    Emma's just a rude, jealous individual. She'll never be happy because she knows she could have made more of herself.

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    Posted by EBGB (U2613853) on Monday, 18th July 2011

    All of that. Wiv knobs on.

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    Posted by Now Locking for a house (U3261819) on Monday, 18th July 2011

    Hi sunny, don't you think the behaviour of his Mother and her boyfriend that will ultimately harm George far more than an isolated slap? He is heading for a lot of hurt particularly on his Father's behalf. He will forget a slap.

    I would think that people who do not slap children would also be indulgent of them talking in church. Mia was charming. She has such a sweet voice.

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    Posted by JudithL (U14272244) on Monday, 18th July 2011

    There is absolutely no way that slapping a child on the leg makes Nic a child abuser. Far too many children start school unable to do as they're told because their parents are terrified of disciplining them.

    I do wonder if Emma would have been so unpleasant if another child - George for example, or one quite unconnected with the christening party - had asked the questions that Mia asked. Would Emma have gone and complained to the child's parents that her Keira had been upstaged? No, of course she wouldn't.
    Emma needs to learn some manners and a sense of proportion - or perhaps just some sense!

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    Posted by LilianFred (U14714921) on Monday, 18th July 2011

    There is absolutely no way that slapping a child on the leg makes Nic a child abuser. Far too many children start school unable to do as they're told because their parents are terrified of disciplining them.

    I do wonder if Emma would have been so unpleasant if another child - George for example, or one quite unconnected with the christening party - had asked the questions that Mia asked. Would Emma have gone and complained to the child's parents that her Keira had been upstaged? No, of course she wouldn't.
    Emma needs to learn some manners and a sense of proportion - or perhaps just some sense! 
    Well said JudithL.

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    Posted by shesings (U2666459) on Monday, 18th July 2011

    JudithL, Paul, Babushka, I am with you all the way on this!

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    Posted by Digitalis lividus et niger (U8605497) on Monday, 18th July 2011

    Gosh, you must have gone through hell. I'm so sorry. Glad that half of it went right, though. Best of luck for the future.

    Dig

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    Posted by Sallyruth (U14589711) on Monday, 18th July 2011

    **He is heading for a lot of hurt particularly on his Father's behalf.**

    What does that mean?

    You mean his father leaving him with a woman who his father thought was abusing him?

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    Posted by Byeeee (U14697115) on Monday, 18th July 2011

    Seconded...or thirded, or whatever, JudithL and others.

    George probably doesn't even remember the incident of Nic slapping him. There's certainly no evidence he's afraid of her, or anything to suggest it has had a lasting negative effect. On the other hand the strained relationship between Will and Ed and Emma could affect him really badly as he gets older. He's already learned to play them off against each other and if he can manipulate them like that as a 5 or 6 year old imagine what he's going to be like when he's 15 or 16.

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    Posted by Auntie Molly (U14110968) on Monday, 18th July 2011

    Nic took it upon herself to apologise for Mia. She didn't have to - she could have assumed that everyone would understand and not said anything. And instead of accepting the apology in the spirit it was given Emma throws it back in Nic's face - and Nic gets the flak on here. Emma is despicable. It beats me how anyone could like her.

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    Posted by Sallyruth (U14589711) on Monday, 18th July 2011

    And to say that Mia should be old enough to know "that she couldn't always be the centre of attention" well words fai

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    Posted by EBGB (U2613853) on Monday, 18th July 2011

    Bless you, thank you.

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    Posted by EBGB (U2613853) on Monday, 18th July 2011

    And to say that Mia should be old enough to know "that she couldn't always be the centre of attention" well words fai 
    Nice.

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    Posted by kitty buttoon (U13699996) on Monday, 18th July 2011

    I am sure Nic has her good points, but slapping Jawgee was a massive mistake, and cost her relationship with the lad's father. Personally I find it amazing that he resumed his relationship with Nic after that.

    Stepchildren can be a bleedin nightmare. I've been one myself, so I know. My stepmother slapped me once (just the once) and I don't think I've ever seen my father so angry.

    It caused an awful lot of trouble between them, and quite frankly it would have been better all round if she'd managed to control her temper.

    We all did manage to forgive each other eventually, but it was touch and go for a while!

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    Posted by Now Locking for a house (U3261819) on Monday, 18th July 2011

    No Sally that's not what I meant. I meant George will feel for his father when he discovers what his Mother did to him. I can't imagine what George will think about his Mother.... There are abuses other than physical.

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    Posted by JoinedPeetsBoard_Smeesues_too (U14519481) on Monday, 18th July 2011

    Sorry Sonny - I wish you wouldn't keep ca;lling Nic a child basher ! She hit George ONCE in very stressful circumstances - when he'd hurt her own child. Yes of course it was wrong and she regretted it.

    How many of us here have smacked a child and regretted it afterwards? I have and admit it..

    JPBS

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    Posted by JoinedPeetsBoard_Smeesues_too (U14519481) on Monday, 18th July 2011

    Just read through posts. Some comments:

    (1) I don't know what I'd have done in Nic's position when looking after a child who was not my own - I've never been in that position so couldn't possibly judge her. Will treated her very badly in those days - she's learned to stand up for herself now.

    (2) Nic dragged george across carpark to prevent him being run over.

    (3) It was Nic who walked out on Will - he didn't throw her out. IMHO she walked out with dignity after Will listened to a lot of tittle tattle about her - that she'd been systematically abusing him which she certaiinly had NOT
    And george asked after her and the children after she'd gone

    (4) If George suffered after ONE slap from Nic - how much more is he suffering from his mother carping at him ALL the time ? Nic has shown patience and understanding of him
    JPBS

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    Posted by Sallyruth (U14589711) on Monday, 18th July 2011

    I remember with fury, the two times I was smacked by my mother..

    I mind those times far more than her adultery, which was none of my business.

    And what his mother "did to his father" is none of George's business either, why on earth you should think it should matter to George, I don't understand.

    He will perhaps be fascinated that his father nearly murdered Ed, and was only stopped because his mother thumped Will with a vase (or maybe not a vase).

    But he is hardly likely to be concerned about his mum's sexual peccadillos. And it has not be abusive to HIM.

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    Posted by JoinedPeetsBoard_Smeesues_too (U14519481) on Monday, 18th July 2011


    But he is hardly likely to be concerned about his mum's sexual peccadillos. And it has not be abusive to HIM.
     


    No but his mother has been carping and grumpy with him - the reason why he was so determined to get his scooter!
    JPBS

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    Posted by Sallyruth (U14589711) on Monday, 18th July 2011


    But he is hardly likely to be concerned about his mum's sexual peccadillos. And it has not be abusive to HIM.
     


    No but his mother has been carping and grumpy with him - the reason why he was so determined to get his scooter!
    JPBS 
    But this was presented as "Nic not abusive, Emma is abusive because she preferred George's uncle to his dad in bed."

    Any child who is given the impression that he is more important than others in their family, just because he is having a birthday and she is not, is bound to harp on about presents. Normal behaviour.

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    Posted by Alinya (U14929922) on Tuesday, 19th July 2011

    I agree with you here. Given how troublesome George can be sometimes, I wonder if Nic slapping him on the leg didn't do him good.

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    Posted by Doodlysquat (U13738858) on Tuesday, 19th July 2011

    I wish someone would slap Emma.

    suze

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    Posted by sunnyakasonnycitizen (U14405687) on Tuesday, 19th July 2011

    Sorry Sonny - I wish you wouldn't keep ca;lling Nic a child basher ! She hit George ONCE in very stressful circumstances - when he'd hurt her own child. Yes of course it was wrong and she regretted it.

    How many of us here have smacked a child and regretted it afterwards? I have and admit it..

    JPBS 
    Dear Bunny you don't have to apologise we just disagree on this. You are imo opinion defending the indefensible, hitting a child is wrong, it is against the law to hit an adult, except now some reasonable self-defence is allowed. Times change it is difficult for adults that grew up with corporal punishment in schools etc. I think Kitty Button said it all really; her step-parent should have controlled her temper, as should Nic have. Nic is a child basher 'cos she bashed George, who was a small child in her care. Call a spade a spade as the Americans say. It is ok to advocate slapping Emma 'cos she doesn't behave the way some of you think she should. Emma didn't want to accept Nic's apology that is Emma's problem. People don't have to accept apologies fgs! I think they are possibly graceless if they don't but, it is still their decision to accept it or not.
    No, Locki I agree with Sallyruth I think George would care more about being hit than about Emma leaving his biological father. Another double standard on here. Katred should walk away from Phoebe, but Will must be allowed to be round George. I agree Will should be allowed to care for George, I don't understand why they don't have joint custody, but equally Kate should be allowed to have some care of Phoebe. There are steps in my family, they don't hit.
    Have a lovely weekxxx
    We just disagree it is not the end of the world, I am sure children slapped by a loving parent in a moment of stress would recover, but Nic wasn't a loving parent in George's eyes. Violence is never the answer imo!
    xxxx

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    Posted by JoinedPeetsBoard_Smeesues_too (U14519481) on Tuesday, 19th July 2011

    Dear Bunny you don't have to apologise we just disagree on this. You are imo opinion defending the indefensible, hitting a child is wrong, it is against the law to hit an adult, except now some reasonable self-defence is allowed.  
    No - you misunderstand me - I said Nic hit a child and regretted it - I hit a child and regretted it - I do *NOT* defend hitting children - it is wrong wrong wrong! I said so!!
    Yes of course it was wrong and she regretted it. 

    I am saying Nic (and I) did something wrong and regretted it!!

    I don't think that Nic had a chance to say `sorry' to George afterwards ? Can't remember! Because she *was* sorry but straight away there was a row (with Will?) and she walked out. In spite of this George asked after Nic and the children when she'd gone - *he* knew she was sorry.

    I also said that a slap (and Nic was sorry and George knew it) caused less damage IMHO than the constant nagging of George by his Mum
    JPBS

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    Posted by sunnyakasonnycitizen (U14405687) on Tuesday, 19th July 2011

    Dear Bunny you don't have to apologise we just disagree on this. You are imo opinion defending the indefensible, hitting a child is wrong, it is against the law to hit an adult, except now some reasonable self-defence is allowed.  
    No - you misunderstand me - I said Nic hit a child and regretted it - I hit a child and regretted it - I do *NOT* defend hitting children - it is wrong wrong wrong! I said so!!
    Yes of course it was wrong and she regretted it. 

    I am saying Nic (and I) did something wrong and regretted it!!

    I don't think that Nic had a chance to say `sorry' to George afterwards ? Can't remember! Because she *was* sorry but straight away there was a row (with Will?) and she walked out. In spite of this George asked after Nic and the children when she'd gone - *he* knew she was sorry.

    I also said that a slap (and Nic was sorry and George knew it) caused less damage IMHO than the constant nagging of George by his Mum
    JPBS 
    Mi dispiace ( I am sorry modds) Bunnyx I wrote it in Italian 'cos it means more imo! It means it displeases me and it does do that if I misunderstand you. 'cos I think you are one of the most reasonable and kind posters on here. Yes I think parents might hit their kids in fear, my dad slapped me and I was beyond shocked and yes he apologised you might have a point about Emma's nagging, but she isn't mentally cruel to George. I don't like what the s/ws are doing with Emma.

    George does seem to get on with Nic now but that is 'cos she has been re written and we are now supposed to like her, just as we are supposed to like Hellin and Pippa. Well I don't like Nic. She is a crawler.
    Bye I have to go nowxxxx You don't have to accept my apology Bunnyxxx But I know you will 'cos you are a graceful posterxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

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