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  • Message 1. 

    Posted by PhyllisDoris (U2224329) on Monday, 6th June 2011

    that Elizabeth My Children Are The Most Important Thing In My Life Pargetter is fully capable of putting her own feelings and needs before theirs.

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  • Message 2

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Monday, 6th June 2011

    Oh, I think Jill has always known that. She isn't a fool, after all, and it has been obvious for at least forty years that the centre of Elizabeth's world was, is and most likely ever will be Elizabeth. Jill loves Elizabeth, but not with blinkers on!

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  • Message 3

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    Posted by Ginslinger Redux (U14830013) on Monday, 6th June 2011

    Yes I'll never forget her telling Elizabeth to try to think of someone else for a change when she told her Ruth had cancer.

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  • Message 4

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    Posted by Scarlett the Harlot (U14540168) on Monday, 6th June 2011

    Well quite Ginslinger. Jill is more than capable of criticising her children with the exception of David of course

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  • Message 5

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    Posted by myluvly (U12026109) on Monday, 6th June 2011

    Ginslinger, please remind me what Lizzie said back then

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  • Message 6

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    Posted by A Frend (U2249422) on Monday, 6th June 2011

    Ginslinger, please remind me what Lizzie said back then  Me too. I'd forgotten this but how typical of Lizzard.

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  • Message 7

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Monday, 6th June 2011

    My vague memory is that when she was told that Ruth had cancer, Elizabeth was very slightly abashed about the fact that she had been banging on about how Brookfield was hers by rights, or words to that effect... but only very slightly, and it didn't stop her for long.

    It was on June 19th, according to Lowfield: "Lizzie's over at Brookfield, summoned by Jill. She hopes it's to talk about her inheritence and launches into another of her "I won't be hard done by another of David and Ruth's hair-brained schemes" routines only for Jill to abruptly shut her up and reveal Ruth's news. Perhaps their petty squabbles can be put to one side for a while and the family can worry about something that is important now?"

    But Lowfield doesn't say what her reaction was. And certainly she didn't allow a mere matter of someone else possibly being in danger of death to have much effect on her behaviour towards the victim. She spent the rest of that year "defending" her and Kenton's "rights" (this in spite of the fact that Kenton had already had his share of the money from his inheritance twice over) by trying to force Phil to do what she thought ought to happen at Brookfield, and stop him from ever listening to anything David suggested. Meanwhile Ruth had her operation and her chemo and slowly convalesced in a poisonous atmosphere caused by her sister-in-law's constant niggling and interference.

    The year 2000 culminated with Elizabeth driving David away from the family party on New Year's Eve by telling him that her ideas for Brookfield's future were what was going to happen because they were what the consultant she had chosen recommended -- something Phil had forgotten to mention to him during the previous couple of months when he had decided what to do with the farm. David told his father that if the farm was going to be run by someone who didn't bother to consult him then he and Ruth would move away and farm in France, went out to have a check on the heifers rather than return to the party, and ended up nearly dead in a ditch because of Elizabeth's interference, on that occasion... (She got drunk, and when everyone started to worry about David having disappeared without his mobile she made herself odious saying that he was just sulking somewhere.)

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  • Message 8

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    Posted by myluvly (U12026109) on Monday, 6th June 2011

    what a fabulous reply...thanks

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  • Message 9

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    Posted by OleGasBag (U14749600) on Monday, 6th June 2011

    yes thanks chris, i didnt listen to the archers back then so have no idea of the backstory...now i do find it surprising that David and Lizzard didnt fall out permanently then because she sounds like a complete nasty piece of work...but i suppose she then met Nigel so wasnt bothered about the farm seeing as she married into a stately home!

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  • Message 10

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    Posted by A Frend (U2249422) on Monday, 6th June 2011

    No - she was already married to Nigel then and even although Ruth said but your children will inherit from Nige she said I'm owed my due and they need to get Dad's money too or wtte. She was a thoroughly unpleasant piece of work and even the boy Nige found it hard to digest her opinions.

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  • Message 11

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    Posted by Scarlett the Harlot (U14540168) on Monday, 6th June 2011

    Um I think you will find that the inheritance row came up well after Nigel and Lizzie were married!

    Makes her doubly grasping doesn't it?

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  • Message 12

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Monday, 6th June 2011

    In January 2001 she had a serious tantrum at Phil for *not* doing as she told him, and managed to stop her heart altogether.

    Unfortunately some clown rushed over in an ambulance and got it started again.

    "I don't blame him too much though -- he didn't know her."

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  • Message 13

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    Posted by hiya_loxley (U2274305) on Monday, 6th June 2011

    Further to the androgynous, piscene explanation in Message 7, I believe the developing story line was also linked to the 50th anniversary of the programme, so that the proposed departure for France was the dramatic conclusion to episode 49999 as it were, and the happy news that they were staying after all was in the 50th

    Whilst I would prefer a complete distinction between the fictional story and real life events surrounding the production, I feel they handled it better 10 years ago...

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  • Message 14

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    Posted by flameofthewest (U14483084) on Monday, 6th June 2011

    David told his father that if the farm was going to be run by someone who didn't bother to consult him then he and Ruth would move away and farm in France, went out to have a check on the heifers rather than return to the party, and ended up nearly dead in a ditch because of Elizabeth's interference, 

    The following day, David was found in the ditch, everyone was reassured he would make a full recovery, Jack and Peggy had a 10th wedding anniversary party at which everybody put their differences aside temporarily and had a lovely time, and Roy proposed to Hayley. That was the 50th Anniversary episode. No-one was shocked to the core.

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  • Message 15

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Monday, 6th June 2011

    I think Roy proposed to Hayley as the New Year's Bells rang out on 31st December, to be nitpickish, but she didn't actually say yes until the following day.

    But yes, a non-shocking episode, just celebratory. Much better.

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  • Message 16

    , in reply to message 15.

    Posted by maggiesaes (U2771771) on Monday, 6th June 2011

    Ye4s with some decent threads running through-those were the days eh?

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  • Message 17

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    Posted by Ginslinger Redux (U14830013) on Monday, 6th June 2011

    My recollection - and this is just infallible memory was that Jill told Lizzie that she and Phil had decided to put the matter on hold for a while and Lizzie launched in to a typical for Elizabeth tirade assuming it was the result of David conniving and it was typical of him.. and Jill very quietly and calmly said it was nothing of the sort, that Ruth had cancer and quite enough to deal with and perhaps Elizabeth could think of someone other than herself for a change. It was as Chris says a momentary abashment rather than a Damascene conversion but it did illustrate that Jill has no illusions about her daughter though I am sure she loves her.

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  • Message 18

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    Posted by Digitalis lividus et niger (U8605497) on Monday, 6th June 2011

    I was always peeved that Phil didn't tell her that it was his farm and his business and he'd do what he bluddy well liked with it.
    That and the en suite bathroom ensured my everlasting undevotion to the little er,...............................
    Dig

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  • Message 19

    , in reply to message 18.

    Posted by Ginslinger Redux (U14830013) on Monday, 6th June 2011

    I don't remember the ensuite bathroom? Was this Elizabet demanding the bulk tank be diverted so she could bathe in milk?

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  • Message 20

    , in reply to message 7.

    Posted by Archie7762 (U14090056) on Monday, 6th June 2011

    My vague memory is that when she was told that Ruth had cancer, Elizabeth was very slightly abashed about the fact that she had been banging on about how Brookfield was hers by rights, or words to that effect... but only very slightly, and it didn't stop her for long.

    It was on June 19th, according to Lowfield: "Lizzie's over at Brookfield, summoned by Jill. She hopes it's to talk about her inheritence and launches into another of her "I won't be hard done by another of David and Ruth's hair-brained schemes" routines only for Jill to abruptly shut her up and reveal Ruth's news. Perhaps their petty squabbles can be put to one side for a while and the family can worry about something that is important now?"

    But Lowfield doesn't say what her reaction was. And certainly she didn't allow a mere matter of someone else possibly being in danger of death to have much effect on her behaviour towards the victim. She spent the rest of that year "defending" her and Kenton's "rights" (this in spite of the fact that Kenton had already had his share of the money from his inheritance twice over) by trying to force Phil to do what she thought ought to happen at Brookfield, and stop him from ever listening to anything David suggested. Meanwhile Ruth had her operation and her chemo and slowly convalesced in a poisonous atmosphere caused by her sister-in-law's constant niggling and interference.

    The year 2000 culminated with Elizabeth driving David away from the family party on New Year's Eve by telling him that her ideas for Brookfield's future were what was going to happen because they were what the consultant she had chosen recommended -- something Phil had forgotten to mention to him during the previous couple of months when he had decided what to do with the farm. David told his father that if the farm was going to be run by someone who didn't bother to consult him then he and Ruth would move away and farm in France, went out to have a check on the heifers rather than return to the party, and ended up nearly dead in a ditch because of Elizabeth's interference, on that occasion... (She got drunk, and when everyone started to worry about David having disappeared without his mobile she made herself odious saying that he was just sulking somewhere.) 
    Good grief!

    This all happened during a period when I couldn't get Radio 4 here in Ireland. Well, I could - just - but it was so hard to listen to that I gave up for a few years.

    Had no idea that I missed such goings on.

    And by the way, I really like David and Ruth. Just thought I'd mention that (again) because so many people are snidey about them.

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  • Message 21

    , in reply to message 19.

    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Monday, 6th June 2011

    Back in 1984 or 5 it was decided, mostly by Elizabeth, that one bathroom for a family the size of Phil, Jill, David and MEMEME was not enough, and that they needed a second one, for her to use for all the hours she spent getting ready for her dates with Tim Beecham and all the other fools who wanted to go out with her...

    Then it turned out that the only place it could be built in was next to Elizabeth's room, and she decided that it was exclusively her bathroom.

    This was demonstrated by her when she waited unti David was having a bath in it before a date with Sophie Barlow and locked him in, so that he had to climb naked through the window to get out. Nearly gave I think it was Jethro Larkin a Nasty Turn, that did...

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  • Message 22

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    Posted by OleGasBag (U14749600) on Tuesday, 7th June 2011

    well, after all that has been said about the relationship between lizzard and david, i am still doubly confused as to why they seemed so close recently. very odd. ok so now I hope they have fallen out permanently never to be reconciled, because that is actually pretty realistic from what I have heard about their backstory.

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  • Message 23

    , in reply to message 21.

    Posted by hiya_loxley (U2274305) on Tuesday, 7th June 2011

    < Nearly gave I think it was Jethro Larkin a Nasty Turn, that did... >
    and Clarry nearly had a stroke boom boom!

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  • Message 24

    , in reply to message 1.

    Posted by megaPerfecteleanor (U11274714) on Wednesday, 8th June 2011

    that Elizabeth My Children Are The Most Important Thing In My Life Pargetter is fully capable of putting her own feelings and needs before theirs.   Yes- shame that it wasn't NIgel that survived and Elizabeth that was culled-
    Her mum should put her in her place now-
    and tell her if SHE chooses to cut herself off then so be it-
    at family parties- etc- she will NOT be invited- as no doubt the selfish creature will think it will be DAVID who won't be allowed to come and all his family too of course-
    If she thinks it is so right- her stance- why hasn't she made it clear to the kids??
    Horrid woman!!

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  • Message 25

    , in reply to message 24.

    Posted by PollyGlot (U4652497) on Wednesday, 8th June 2011

    Shame on you all for treating a poor widow-woman so!

    I've found a picture of Lizzie and Lily that will bring tears to your eyes.

    farm6.static.flickr....

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  • Message 26

    , in reply to message 25.

    Posted by EBGB (U2613853) on Wednesday, 8th June 2011

    Lizzie and Lily 

    That's Freddie rather than Lily, surely?

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  • Message 27

    , in reply to message 26.

    Posted by PollyGlot (U4652497) on Wednesday, 8th June 2011

    I stand corrected

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  • Message 28

    , in reply to message 27.

    Posted by Archie7762 (U14090056) on Thursday, 9th June 2011

    Ha Ha

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  • Message 29

    , in reply to message 24.

    Posted by gentlydoesit (U14838593) on Monday, 20th June 2011

    Hear Hear! she needs a good slap...but I fear it is probably too late for any remedial action to bring about a change of character, she is a spolt brat basically and is likely to remain one. So there!

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  • Message 30

    , in reply to message 22.

    Posted by anna kist (U2314477) on Monday, 20th June 2011

    dave and lizzie have never been close. Lizzie has always been a spoilt selfish brat. So none of this latest nonsense is any surprise at all and I can't understand why her family are taking her tantrums seriously.

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  • Message 31

    , in reply to message 30.

    Posted by Ginslinger Redux (U14830013) on Monday, 20th June 2011

    Well especially since her heart condition is under control.... though I would have thought the onus would have been on her not to get herself worked up than on others not to wind her up...

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