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  • Message 1. 

    Posted by Purple_Hay (U14319650) on Sunday, 5th June 2011

    Strewth!

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  • Message 2

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    Posted by Peggy Monahan (U2254875) on Sunday, 5th June 2011

    Exactly. Seemed very OTT to me.

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  • Message 3

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    Posted by aeronca (U10184844) on Sunday, 5th June 2011

    Another personality transplant, I fear.

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  • Message 4

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    Posted by typewright (U14048004) on Sunday, 5th June 2011

    Or just a plot device to make Cazza decide she can't run GreGa all by herself?

    Is this really the first time Olly's been angry? I can't recall another, but that could be my memory running slowly.

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  • Message 5

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    Posted by Bette (U2222559) on Sunday, 5th June 2011

    Another personality transplant, I fear. 

    It seems so - not that there is much personality /to/ transplant, IMO.

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  • Message 6

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    Posted by Zzumbug (U14655158) on Sunday, 5th June 2011


    SGGTTC.

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  • Message 7

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    Posted by careen (U1935190) on Sunday, 5th June 2011

    Its entirely up to her whether she goes to his hobby activities. Butt out Oliver

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  • Message 8

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    Posted by Zzumbug (U14655158) on Sunday, 5th June 2011


    But it's been in her diary for months...

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  • Message 9

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    Posted by TufTanya (U7939853) on Sunday, 5th June 2011

    Another personality transplant, I fear.  Exactly what I thought.
    They're doing it to up the ante - a la East Enders.
    Ollie's normally such a reasonable cove -
    ridiculous to have him lose it over something so petty.

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  • Message 10

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    Posted by Bette (U2222559) on Sunday, 5th June 2011

    Ollie's normally such a reasonable cove - 

    So reasonable, in fact, that he doesn't actually have much 'character' does he?

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  • Message 11

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    Posted by aeronca (U10184844) on Sunday, 5th June 2011

    Well, he's pleasant and loving, a Thoroughly Good Egg, so no, maybe not. But as an antidote to many of the other characters, he's not one that I want to shout at, let alone think he's undergoing another one of those Borsetshire, sorry South Borestshire transformations that have, to date, done TA no good at all.

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  • Message 12

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    Posted by borchesterbouncer (U14738918) on Sunday, 5th June 2011

    Agreed! She's got a business to run and he's just running a puppy show for what sound like objectionable characters who like stuffing their faces on a free tea.

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  • Message 13

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    Posted by peacemaker (U14739277) on Sunday, 5th June 2011

    Or just a plot device to make Cazza decide she can't run GreGa all by herself? 

    Agree Typers. I have been wondering what the purpose of this puppy show was. Didn't think it was just to remind us about the wonderful catering skills that exist in the enclave.

    I also thought it was out of character for Olly to confront Caroline at the event. I would imagine he would be all charm in front of his chums and then tackle her about it afterwards at home.



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  • Message 14

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    Posted by Sallyruth (U14589711) on Sunday, 5th June 2011

    He has as much character as Nigel had.

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  • Message 15

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    Posted by Bette (U2222559) on Sunday, 5th June 2011

    He has as much character as Nigel had. 
    Well - er, yes. I wonder what your point is, though. Are you suggesting that Oliver should be bumped off also?

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  • Message 16

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    Posted by mademoiselledecompost (U14526349) on Sunday, 5th June 2011

    Agreed! She's got a business to run and he's just running a puppy show for what sound like objectionable characters who like stuffing their faces on a free tea.  Snork BB

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  • Message 17

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    Posted by NotsoTinyTim (U2256329) on Sunday, 5th June 2011

    And we thought that it was Cazza who regularly gives Ollie a jolly good thrashing in the privacy of their bedroom

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  • Message 18

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    Posted by mademoiselledecompost (U14526349) on Sunday, 5th June 2011

    I was relieved to hear that a second roll of clingfilm was about to arrive, I was getting mighty worried that the sarnies would curl up at the ends...

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  • Message 19

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Sunday, 5th June 2011

    Beenhelping her to retain his investment in Grey Gables then has he? Offered to be any use in the business did he at any point after Roy left?

    No, I didn't think so.

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  • Message 20

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    Posted by Purple_Hay (U14319650) on Sunday, 5th June 2011

    His cravet must be on inside out or something?

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  • Message 21

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    Posted by JudithL (U14272244) on Sunday, 5th June 2011

    The Puppy Show is important for Oliver, as Master of the S. Borsetshire Hunt. Caroline knows this, and should have been there to support him instead of making excuses.
    I'm with Oliver on this. Caroline is gentry and should have known better. These things do matter within the hunting fraternity.

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  • Message 22

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    Posted by Paul237 (U12153576) on Sunday, 5th June 2011

    I thought it was over the top and out of character. It felt like they were trying to accelerate the storyline.

    Such an outburst would surely only come after Caroline had let him down several times which we've heard no evidence of. The show was a success because, as Oliver claims, he can run a puppy show standing on his head.

    Some of her staff rang in sick, so what should she have done? Abandoned the place just so she could meet and greet people at some silly show?

    I could understand him being disappointed, but not downright angry. He's not usually like that at all. Silly.

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  • Message 23

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    Posted by GoneAwayForGood (U14551283) on Sunday, 5th June 2011

    Beenhelping her to retain his investment in Grey Gables then has he? Offered to be any use in the business did he at any point after Roy left?

    No, I didn't think so. 
    I think you're right, Chris. I thought he should have got more worked up when they were discussing Roy handing in his notice, both in terms of indignation towards Elizabeth and also convincing Caroline it would be no good for GG and their investment therein or themselves if she took on all the extra work herself. That would have been a strong and believable scene. It seems a bit petty of him to get so angry now (although I guess he is perhaps the slow burn type) just because she didn't remember his current personal preoccupation.

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  • Message 24

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    Posted by DracoM1 (U14252039) on Sunday, 5th June 2011

    < I thought it was over the top and out of character. It felt like they were trying to accelerate the storyline.>

    A totally appalling attack on Caroline - who was clwarlty told to act like a doormat instead of fighting back - totally OUT of character rant, BUT smack on for the new extreme emotions in all characters / every partnership must be serially upset and rocked in the Nouveau Archers to fit in with VW's new dispensation. No adult conversations, just every one into teenage foot stamping - from 65 yrd olds or whatever.

    And that endless, endless, ENDLESS drivel by Oliver on the pa.!! What was all that supposed to be about? Talk about lazy time-filling


    Pah!!

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  • Message 25

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    Posted by NotsoTinyTim (U2256329) on Sunday, 5th June 2011

    This is in fact the second time that Ollie has recently got annoyed with Cazza over her spending too much time on GG work. The first time was when she made the decision not to replace Roy without consulting him. So this second eruption didn't come out of the blue.

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  • Message 26

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    Posted by Paul237 (U12153576) on Sunday, 5th June 2011

    Yes, it did seem rather immature. Like others have commented, surely Oliver would have waited until after the event to rant at Caroline.

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  • Message 27

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    Posted by Paul237 (U12153576) on Sunday, 5th June 2011

    But he didn't exactly hit the roof over her decision. Admittedly he had strong reservations but, after discussing it with Caroline, he reluctantly accepted her choice.

    So, for me, today's outburst was unrealistic. Especially as he knew the situation with her staff. If she'd taken an eye off the clock and had got lost in work then I could understand the anger, but she couldn't just leave the place. And surely he'd understand that.

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  • Message 28

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    Posted by GoneAwayForGood (U14551283) on Sunday, 5th June 2011

    This is in fact the second time that Ollie has recently got annoyed with Cazza over her spending too much time on GG work. The first time was when she made the decision not to replace Roy without consulting him. So this second eruption didn't come out of the blue.  I missed that, Tim. It does seem to suggest the slow-burn. Some people (and I'm one of them) fail to express their anger over something important (like perhaps the decision you mention) properly at the time and then when it does come out it's an over-reaction to something completely trivial and relatively unconnected. Seen in that light, it could be in character as slow-burners tend usually to be quite laid back most of the time which as others have pointed out Ollie generally is. Thora

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  • Message 29

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    Posted by Denny (U14721566) on Sunday, 5th June 2011


    And made all the more horrible by Shula's snide remarks as she watched it all unfold.

    Sorry scripties Oliver would not behave like this in a public meeting.

    The Oliver you've had me believing in for all these these years is a calm reasonable man. I remember how he patiently handled an off the rails Ed without ever losing his cool for instance.

    Still I'm quite happy to flush Oliver down the toilet, if this is to be his new persona, since I've never had any time or tolerance for huntsmen and their ilk.

    Goodbye Oliver!

    Now who's left that I still enjoy?

    Step forward the Buttons!

    So can't we ditch these insufferable Archers and listen to 'The Buttons' instead.

    What's betting their mother is called Chocolate.

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  • Message 30

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Sunday, 5th June 2011

    If I were a woman with the surname "Button" I would be tempted to call a daughter Pearl, just so that i would be "Mother of Pearl".

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  • Message 31

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    Posted by Sallyruth (U14589711) on Sunday, 5th June 2011

    They have a cat called Paws Button.

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  • Message 32

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    Posted by Froginasock (U14272821) on Sunday, 5th June 2011

    To my ear Ollie sounds like he's been hitting the bottle just lately.

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  • Message 33

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    Posted by A Frend (U2249422) on Sunday, 5th June 2011

    "Ollie's normally such a reasonable cove"

    Well he was a PITA when Cazza first started going out with him - a stuffed shirt and no mistake. Having said that Cazza said she'd be at this puppy thingy and she came late with a cock and bull story about a sick receptionist.

    Any manager worth her salt would have pulled the hung-over receptionist out of her bed, told her to take Alka Seltzer, Resolve and three cups of tea and get herself to Reception. If there's no one between the relief receptionist and the owner ar GrGa then Cazza's got the whole equation wrong and she should employ a replacement for Roy. So far she's failed Ollyver because a guest hurt an ankle, a recptionist got drunk and a waiter didn't turn up. This has only served to convince me that GrGa is a hell hole that no sensible person would stay at.

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  • Message 34

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    Posted by Janet Cookson (U14739352) on Sunday, 5th June 2011

    Agree with many posters that Ollie was OTT. As a businessman he would know all about putting the hotel first when when staff ring in sick. I detect another plot coming on clumsily. Scenario - Cazz and Ollie under strain through her workload, Shelob steps in more and more - result Hanky Panky! What fun we listeners would have. Any thoughts?

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  • Message 35

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Sunday, 5th June 2011

    Sorry -- who's "Shelob"?

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  • Message 36

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    Posted by cath (U2234232) on Sunday, 5th June 2011

    I say! Doesn't anyone understand how dreadfully embarrassing it is for a chap who's in charge of the hunt to be on his own when meeting & greeting his peers and their lovely wives on His Own? How could Caz let him down by Working? Ladies don't Work and now Oliver is just meat in the hands of his N Borsetshire rivals (Top Drawer! His Wife Works! Ho ho).

    No? OK. A Sound Thrashing for Oliver I think - except he'd probably enjoy it so best to ignore the stupid old bore. Run Caz Run.

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  • Message 37

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    Posted by Lee Shore (U14673711) on Monday, 6th June 2011

    He will be joining Jeck soon or maybe David in the stroke unit in a couple of weeks.

    But if he has had apersonality transplant then why not a complete volte face and buy a balaclava and join the hunt sabs. That would be a shake to the core storyline.

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  • Message 38

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    Posted by NewEssexWoman (U9776561) on Monday, 6th June 2011

    The Puppy Show is important for Oliver, as Master of the S. Borsetshire Hunt. Caroline knows this, and should have been there to support him instead of making excuses. 

    Why on earth does Ollie need 'supporting' re running a puppy show?He had absolutely no problem in doing it single handed so her only role would be to look decorous.And, like most women these days, she probably has better things to do than 'play the little wifey'. Now, I'm not saying she wouldn't attend had she nothing better to do, but if my O/H tore me off a strip for not attending some event he was hosting (when I had a crisis elsewhere) I'd certainly tell him where to go! Not that he would, mind, he's not so self-centred as Ollie-brush.

    I'm with Oliver on this. Caroline is gentry and should have known better. These things do matter within the hunting fraternity. 

    Have you any idea how pompous this sounds, Judith? Caroline is a professional with a business to run, and gentry or not, she put that before some wretched puppy show. And if the hunting fraternity get so het up about such trifles then, more fool them.

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  • Message 39

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    Posted by A Frend (U2249422) on Monday, 6th June 2011

    "Shelob steps in more and more - result Hanky Panky! What fun we listeners would have. Any thoughts?"

    I profoundly hope not. For one it'd mean that TA would remain very dull and start to be toe curlingly awful as when JD was twanging the bedsprings with her ex (she even mamaged a gasped 'oooohh, phew' then too). For another it'd mean that the SWs' idea of SATTC is only and all about serial haggsing (Roy and Jessica, Shuls and Ollyver and whoever is going to have the dubious pleasure of tupping Lizzard.)

    Actually for all Olly is a stuffed shirt and up himself - Cazza said she'd be there and frankly the emergencies that she cited were just the cut and thrust of daily business. And if she can't get someone to deal with them while she goes to an appointment then she's in the wrong business. For instance if she was to have attended an appointment for some medical tests she'd have given them the priority and got someone else to deal with the Otel. Ollyver is hurt that she puts him second which is why he's in a strop and which is why he'll be playing away from home shortly but not I hope with Shuls as I hate her less than all the other Archers characters and I think she's been badly enough served already by the SWs.

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  • Message 40

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    Posted by mademoiselledecompost (U14526349) on Monday, 6th June 2011

    He will be joining Jeck soon or maybe David in the stroke unit in a couple of weeks.

    But if he has had apersonality transplant then why not a complete volte face and buy a balaclava and join the hunt sabs. That would be a shake to the core storyline. 
    I've just knitted a balaclava so I can lend you the pattern if required Lee.....

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  • Message 41

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    Posted by JudithL (U14272244) on Monday, 6th June 2011

    Puppy Shows are just as much a part of country life as the Hunt Ball. It's good manners to be there, especially if your husband is Master of the hunt. Caroline, in effect, had a prior engagement to attend and to be at Oliver's side.
    Perhaps if she'd not promised to be there, for a really good reason, it would be a different matter, but to fail to turn up because of some crisis at work (which someone else could have handled) isn't acceptable.
    If that sounds pompous, well so be it.

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  • Message 42

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    Posted by Peggy Monahan (U2254875) on Monday, 6th June 2011

    but to fail to turn up because of some crisis at work (which someone else could have handled) 

    Who? The whole point is she HASN'T got a manager other then herself any more.

    I think it's just weird that a working woman should be expected to leave her work responsibiities to "support" her husband at an event, even if it was the Hunt Ball itself.

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  • Message 43

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    Posted by Lakey_Hill (U14391672) on Monday, 6th June 2011

    Oliver knows that Caroline is in charge, and has to be on call to deal with crises in the hotel. Who else was supposed to deal with staff illnesses? Granted, Caroline has chosen not to replace Roy, thus leaving herself in this position, but Oliver has to accept her decision, and its implications, if the relationship is going to survive.

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  • Message 44

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    Posted by A Frend (U2249422) on Monday, 6th June 2011

    This morning as I bought my coffee it was clear someone hadn't turned up for work. Other colleagues were doing the work of the absent one. It wasn't the manager however but a new member of staff, filling in.

    I just can't believe that there is no one in GrGa between receptionist and owner manager. There must be some form of hierarchy and therefore other staff who can step in otherwise Cazza will get a call every time a loo roll needs changing.

    It's nothing to do with her being a woman - she should be able to expect the same of Ollyver and would be able to be as narky if he too let her down by coming late to an appointment.

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  • Message 45

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    Posted by Lakey_Hill (U14391672) on Monday, 6th June 2011

    Caroline turned up at the puppy show as soon as she could. And it didn't sound as though she was really, really late.

    Lynda is senior recepionist, but if she wasn't on duty, Caroline could hardly expect her to cope with the crises. If there is only one receptionist on duty, and they haven't turned up, then it is up to the manager to make alternative arrangements. And with Roy gone, there is just Caroline.

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  • Message 46

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    Posted by A Frend (U2249422) on Monday, 6th June 2011

    Lynda is senior recepionist,

    This only goes to show what a tin pot operation GrGa is. It's not a four star hotel it's a two crown boarding house.

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  • Message 47

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    Posted by peacemaker (U14739277) on Monday, 6th June 2011

    And where was Lynda? Only a few weeks ago she was trying to be indispensable at GG.

    If Cazza had rung her to come in she would have jumped at the chance no doubt, seeing it as a possible step towards promotion.

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  • Message 48

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    Posted by Lakey_Hill (U14391672) on Monday, 6th June 2011

    Well, for all we know, she did ring Lynda to come in, but that would have been to cover the receptionist who was off sick, not to make managerial decisions about who should cover.

    I'm sure her staff would have been impressed and delighted if she had said that she was leaving them with a staffing crisis to go to a puppy show. Not to mention the guests, who would not be getting any service.

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  • Message 49

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    Posted by Peggy Monahan (U2254875) on Monday, 6th June 2011

    This morning as I bought my coffee it was clear someone hadn't turned up for work. Other colleagues were doing the work of the absent one. It wasn't the manager however but a new member of staff, filling in. 

    I don't think Cariline was doing the work of the absent, but sorting out who should do it. That's managerial.

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  • Message 50

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    Posted by A Frend (U2249422) on Monday, 6th June 2011

    I can only say again - GrGa is supposed to be a four or five star country retreat. If there's no one else on duty, other than the owner/manager, when a hungover receptionists fails to trap it's not deserving of its stars. I know Cazza's saving money by not replacing Roy but that doesn't mean there's no one else in the place with some management responsibility.

    As Olly invested money in this crumbling pile I'd expect him to worry about its smooth running as well. The SW du jour clearly forgot that bit when writing Olly's spit bedottled rant.

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