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  • Message 1. 

    Posted by toffee (U8026926) on Wednesday, 4th May 2011

    Is Nic thick? I was waiting for him to say 'You don't mind then? You don't mind another child being in the house then?' as his excuse for wanting George to spend more time with them. Cos if she says no she doesn't mind George being there, he'll just take that as her saying she doesn't mind another kid being in the house - thus - a new baby.

    It's fascinating listening to Nic. With Wiwl she either sounds like she's his mother or she's wary of him, but with Jill she was all condifent and outgoing.

    You wonder where the writers are going with this odd couple.


    PS I'm posting this cos I know it's safe and nowt to do with TAX so no one can have a go at me for committing that cardinal sin again.

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    Posted by Auntie Molly (U14110968) on Wednesday, 4th May 2011

    sorry, it just sounded to me as though Will had got the message about Nic not wanting another baby and has decided to concentrate on the son he already has.

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    Posted by JudithL (U14272244) on Wednesday, 4th May 2011

    But Will's a brooder. He won't be content with more contact with George, and will continue to hope to persuade Nic, I think.

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    Posted by JustJanie - Fairweather Strider (U10822512) on Wednesday, 4th May 2011

    Wise Nic. She could hardly say no anyway, but saying 'yes' to seeing more of Georgie will make it easier for her to make it clear to Will that adding a FOURTH child to the household would be a very big deal.

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    Posted by urban-dreamer (U14705136) on Wednesday, 4th May 2011

    sorry, it just sounded to me as though Will had got the message about Nic not wanting another baby and has decided to concentrate on the son he already has.  

    I thought that, too.

    And I thought Nic was offering to have some time to "talk" but then Will didn't follow up on it - or at least not concerning a new Grundy junior.

    So we're being set up for a tug-of-love/war over Georgie then

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Wednesday, 4th May 2011

    Sounded that way to me too, Auntie Molly.

    I was waiting to see how a bloke asking his girlfriend's permission to see more of his son would be turned round so that he was (as usual) the Spawn of Satan and only wanted to see his son for some horrible devious purpose, and I don't suppose I shall be disappointed.

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    Posted by toffee (U8026926) on Wednesday, 4th May 2011

    sorry, it just sounded to me as though Will had got the message about Nic not wanting another baby and has decided to concentrate on the son he already has.  

    You think that's the end of wiwl wanting another kid to match Ed and compensate for not being able to impregnate his beloved Emma again?


    'oooookeeeeey' ...... as Roof would say.

    We'll see.

    Wiwl being the way he is, I find it hard to believe he'll stop wanting another kid just cos Nic is avoiding talking about it,
    It would be a very breif storyline apart from anything else!

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Wednesday, 4th May 2011

    Seems to me, if Will does something Bad (which he hasn't for ages, but nothing to do with him that can be looked at in a bad light is ever missed or ever forgotten) then he is Clearly Bad And Up To No Good; if he does something Good, he is Clearly Concealing His Essenial Badness But Still Up To No Good.

    Talk about give a dog a bad name and hang him! I am slightly surprised, while I think of it, that he hasn't yet been accused of hanging puppies on the backs of chairs.

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    Posted by IlavaLargeOne (U14064754) on Wednesday, 4th May 2011

    I'm with you Chris. He is playing his cards close to his chest (but far enough away for us to see them). He will spend more and more time with George and ignore Nic's kids and then she'll get the guilts and it will all be her fault and the horrid Wiwyum will rule supreme.........grrrrrrrrr!

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    Posted by Bette (U2222559) on Wednesday, 4th May 2011

    And I thought Nic was offering to have some time to "talk" but then Will didn't follow up on it - or at least not concerning a new Grundy junior. 

    To my ear, Nic took Will's 'wanting time together' for just the two of themto have some time to be more intimate. As soon as she realised that he meant actually /talking/ or /discussing/ with her, then she hared off to get some milk.

    /Why/ is she behaving like this, I wonder?

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  • Message 11

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Wednesday, 4th May 2011

    IlavaLargeOne, I don't think you are with me at all: you are saying how Nasty and Bad Will is, where I am saying that he is not especially so, but that I was waiting for someone to come along and interpret "Please may I see a bit more of my son?" as a horrible thing to ask anyone and that he was Up To No Good. I was not disappointed in my expectation that this would be said, though, so thank you.

    Bette, I expect it is because the plot requires her to be a complete ninny for a bit. Or to be for some reason terrified of the man she has for months now been bullying into doing what she tells him to so that he has to ask her permission to see more of his son. Or some other plot-ridden nonsense.

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    Posted by Bette (U2222559) on Wednesday, 4th May 2011

    Well, Chris, I sincerely hope that the SWs will not let this evaporate, and that we /will/ get a heart-to-heart between Will and Nic, where her secret will come out. Heaven knows what it might be, but I expect that will clear the air and they will move on. I see them as a long-term couple in TA anyway, so the'll /have/ to sort themselves out!

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  • Message 13

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    Posted by urban-dreamer (U14705136) on Wednesday, 4th May 2011

    I did think she was offering an opening to 'talk' towards the end of the epi, but Will was heading off for his bath and didn't pick up on it. Maybe my misinterpretation.

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  • Message 14

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    Posted by Desperate (U14533525) on Wednesday, 4th May 2011

    Seems to me, if Will does something Bad (which he hasn't for ages, but nothing to do with him that can be looked at in a bad light is ever missed or ever forgotten) then he is Clearly Bad And Up To No Good; if he does something Good, he is Clearly Concealing His Essenial Badness But Still Up To No Good.

    Talk about give a dog a bad name and hang him! I am slightly surprised, while I think of it, that he hasn't yet been accused of hanging puppies on the backs of chairs. 


    Dearie me Chris, he is not evil but he does have a worldview that is going to make him and others very unhappy, because in regards to those that have wronged him in the past he is actively looking for problems.

    I personally feel you do reflect positively on Wills behaviour the same way you feel the rest of us reflect negatively, that is in an extreme way.

    I just want Will to show the same self awareness now he did when he ran away after he felt he was capable of murdering his brother, (we can argue about whether it was a fight or him attacking his brother till the cows come home, but that was what Will himself seemed to feel about it) I don't want him to necasarily forgive and forget or start to like his brother, just not make himself very unhappy through never ever thinking about his own thoughts and motives in any meaningful way or objective way.

    Its been going on too long.

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Wednesday, 4th May 2011

    urban-dreamer, I fear we are in for one of those interminable long-term-misunderstanding set-ups, where each time one party to it is free to talk the other isn't, or when they both are some well-meaning person (Clarrie, Georgie, Jill?) turns up and so they can't talk....

    It can be kept going for weeks.

    It is very dull. And nobody ever says, "Well, no, it isn't very convenient, Clarrie, Will and I have got stuff we want to talk about; can I come over a bit later or maybe tomorrow?" and then has their talk anyhow.

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  • Message 16

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    Posted by Bette (U2222559) on Wednesday, 4th May 2011

    I don't want him to necasarily forgive and forget 

    I don't think there will be any 'closure' on this for Will until one of the triangle (Will/Ed/ Em) is either dead or moves away (and that Clarrie acknowledges the pain she has caused). Until that happens, a proper acknowledgement from Ed and Em of what they have done would help too.

    And, PS, I don't think it is up to Will to have to move away.

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  • Message 17

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Wednesday, 4th May 2011

    Despers, as far as I can tell the most sensible thing about Will is that his expectations of his family and their support of him or any sort of loyalty to him are extremely low.

    There has been a pretty-much perpetual history of Emma and Ed making trouble for him, over the past five years, and frankly, I think he would be an idiot *not* to expect them to be awkward and unpleasant! What have they done that has been other than for their own benefit and to his detriment? (In Ed's case it has been for rather longer.)

    After several years of unhappy experience of it being the norm, he probably expects Clarrie to be inclined to blame him and demand that he give things up for them, but again, would he not be being rather stupid if he expected anything else of her, or come to that of Eddie or Joe, each of whom has come down heavy against him and forEdward on more than one or two or three occasions in the past?

    Someone who wilfully fails to learn from experience is not really being particularly self-preserving, in this life. Will would have to be some sort of saint or moron to manage to ignore the vast heap of evidence that he has to take into account about where his familly's interests and sympathies always tend to lie -- and it ain't with him, to date.

    I had hoped that Nic might turn out to be a bit less inclined to assume that Will is always in the wrong, but after her performances over Christmas I doubt it.

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  • Message 18

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    Posted by Molled Whine (U9764784) on Wednesday, 4th May 2011

    It wasn't the most flattering of offers though, was it? No affection, or 'let's talk about our long term relationship.' Just, 'I want a newer, bigger, shinier baby than Ed & Em.'

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  • Message 19

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Wednesday, 4th May 2011

    He asked her how she would feel about it.

    He has to start *somewhere*!

    And if he had started by being nice to her about their relationship, or showing her more affection than he is usually allowed to by the script (incidentally, why is it ok for Kenton and Jolene or Mike and Vicky to slurp and canoodle all over the villagem but none of the younger couples -- Will and Nic, Em and Ed, Tom and Brenda -- are forced to inspect each others' tonsils all the time?), people here would simply have said he was being cunning and it was all a plot to tie her barefoot to a kitchen sink full of nappies....

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  • Message 20

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    Posted by Bette (U2222559) on Wednesday, 4th May 2011

    Will can't do right whatever he does, in the view of some posters.

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  • Message 21

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    Posted by Pahnda (U14681704) on Wednesday, 4th May 2011

    Will can't do right whatever he does, in the view of some posters.  
    Yes, I am one of those posters Bette. The menace is in his voice, and that is all we have on radio. Everything he does is motivated by his hatred for his brother and his need for revenge.

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  • Message 22

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    Posted by cath (U2234232) on Wednesday, 4th May 2011

    And Ed can't do right, whatever he does, in the view of some posters either Bette.

    The whole WillnEd scenario has been set up in an almost completely symmetrical way - both Will and Ed have their good and bad sides and have had good and bad things happen to them so their personal and professional opportunities for a stable, law abiding family life are as near as dammit exactly the same.

    However they do have very different characters. Which is why the MB is always arguing about them - but complaining that one character is judged harshly without recognising that character's flaws (and no one is perfect!) while remaining resolutely blind to the good points of the other character always rings a little hollow to me.

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  • Message 23

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    Posted by Bette (U2222559) on Wednesday, 4th May 2011

    well, I 'd certainly welcome Will having some good SLs for a change. Previously, he came in for that legacy, which engendered a rather sour SL, then he encountered Nic (who I liked from the start) and then Clarrie was so nasty about her. If things are so balanced, as you imply, then isn't it time for Will to have a postive SL?

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  • Message 24

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    Posted by cath (U2234232) on Wednesday, 4th May 2011

    So you don't think having settled down with Nic and her children is a positive SL? You think that because Ed has a baby Will should have one too and if he doesn't it isn't fair and it's negative?

    I think this underlines my point about character. Will and Ed have had very similar levels of luck and disappointment in their lives but the way they deal with it, especially the disappointment and the bad times, comes down to character. Will is never content unless Ed is down on his luck whereas Ed's happiness does not depend on Will.

    A truly positive SL for Will would be getting rid of his grudge and getting on with his own life without reference to Ed. This constant harking back to the wrongs of the past (without acknowledging his own flaws, or Emma's role in his unhappiness) means he is stuck in a relentlessly miserable and very unhealthy place. It's in his own hands but somehow I can't see him making that mental leap and getting on with his own life.

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  • Message 25

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    Posted by flamey nell (U14740877) on Wednesday, 4th May 2011

    I would love Wiw to have a positive SL, but the moment he opens his voice, "mahh mahh mmahh" you know it's a whine and a whinge and he wants something that Ed's got. It's a pity they show him as such a brutally stupid position - I don't believe he is so totally tea eye double ick, tick.

    He's not without a romantic bone in his body, is he? any bloke that walks up to his girlfriend and says "can we have a baby" before he says, "my you look gorgeous tonight," or "would you like to marry me" is going to get a disappointing response, surely? Or do I only think that cos I'm a woman?!

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  • Message 26

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    Posted by Bette (U2222559) on Wednesday, 4th May 2011

    So you don't think having settled down with Nic and her children is a positive SL? 

    Yes, I /did/ think so - until this unexplained reaction from Nic and her seeming aversion to actually talking to Will about the possibilty of them having a child together.

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  • Message 27

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    Posted by Auntie Molly (U14110968) on Wednesday, 4th May 2011

    " Will is never content unless Ed is down on his luck whereas Ed's happiness does not depend on Will"

    I"m not so sure about that. Ed was quite nasty about not telling Will about Emma's pregnancy and was definitely feeling smug about it.

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  • Message 28

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    Posted by flamey nell (U14740877) on Wednesday, 4th May 2011

    Unexplained reaction? I don't think her reaction needs to be explained*. If Will wanted to settle down, really loves Nic and wants to have a baby with her, I think there are better ways to go about it. Talk about unromantic!!

    He's as subtle as a tonne of bricks. I imagine his foreplay is a question of getting naked and saying "right, I'm going in".


    *Disclaimer: Unless there is a reason why she can't have kids, which i imagine may be a possibility.


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  • Message 29

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    Posted by Bette (U2222559) on Wednesday, 4th May 2011

    If Nic is serious about her relationship with Will, then she will want to discuss with him - on whatever topic. If he wants to talk about something important to him, then why is she avoiding him?

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  • Message 30

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    Posted by kissedbough (U14269224) on Wednesday, 4th May 2011

    imo his desire to have moyson over more is more about taking jawgee away from ednem thana reak desire to be with his son for his son's sake.
    While he is looking after his "boirds", who will be looking after jawgee (and Mia n Jake)? That`person's name is Nic!! Can't like him no matter what.....

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  • Message 31

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    Posted by MamaAnnaBee (U2274404) on Thursday, 5th May 2011

    I was going to try not to comment on this as I totally agree with Chris that anything Will does seems be be negatively interpreted, however I popped here because of confusion over TAX storylines in TA, so I would like to put my interpretation of this.

    Firstly I think that the scenerio of one half of a couple approaching another about having a baby is a common one, but statistically it is more often the woman trying out the idea with the man. This happened at Rickyard Cottage when Emma suggested to Ed they have a baby and he said "not now, too much work etc." and then she found she was pregnant anyway.

    Will has always wanted a family but I feel he has tried to learn from the time he asked Emma and she refused. He had clearly tried to think about how to bring up the subject and at all times seemed to be aware of how much it had to be Nic's decision. He might be making a bit of a hash of it but he isn't good at expressing emotion and I really get the impression he is doing the best he can.

    I found NIc's reaction of complete surprise rather strange. Now I love having babies and would be over the moon if my partner had ever been the one to suggest we had a child, and I totally appreciate that there are other points of view. However it does seem strange that Nic appears never to have thought at all of having a baby with Will. Even if she had thought about it and decided against it, I find it hard to believe the thought had never crossed her mind. At some point during Emma's pregnancy you might think she would have wondered, or one of them would have made some mention of it.

    It seems to be, again statistically, quite a normal emotion for a couple who have children with other partners to want a baby together. They talk about having a baby to bond their relationship, and of course I don't think babies should be "used" to prop a relationship but I am thinking about natural desires to have a baby together.

    I really feel for Will, first Emma refused to have another baby with him, and now Nic seems amazed he is suggesting it. If she doesn't want another baby then of course she should say, but to treat the suggestion as if it is something she has never and would never consider just seems a bit strange.

    I also think that Ed does brood on Will and let it affect his life just as much as Will does. I noticed tonight that when Emma said Will had phoned about George, there was hostility in Ed's response. Ed never misses a chance to say something negative about Will, he was deliberately cruel in not telling him about the pregnancy, and he often makes snide remarks. It's strange how it's Will who gets stick for this, when he, out of both of them, has reason for grievance.

    Anyway, I see nothing wrong in Will wanting to talk about having a baby with NIc, and if she doesn't want one then I think he will accept it but it will be another little bit of him chipped away.

    Anna, whose signature song for years was "all that she wants is another baby!"

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  • Message 32

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    Posted by MamaAnnaBee (U2274404) on Thursday, 5th May 2011

    But Kissedborough, it seems to me it is a two way thing. Will also looks after Jake and Mia very well, loves and cares for them. He is often heard taking or collecting them from school, or playing with them. It seems to me that Will has happily accepted the father role for Nic's children, so why wouldn't she be a mother to his child?

    As for him looking after his birds, well it is his job, one that he had to fight a lot of family taunting to pursue, and one that he seems to do well. He seems to take on quite a lot of child care when at home but, like many folk, when he is at work he has to concentrate on doing the job well.

    I don't feel he is trying to take George just to get him from Emma. When George was born he was a devoted father. I remember him once saying how he just loved to sit and look at him and he loved him so much. He had to fight to see his son when Emma left, and Will was heartbroken to lose his son. He tried to compromise so that George would have a stable family life and it seems so sad that now he is accused of not wanting to be with George. If Will had had his wish, he would never have been parted from him.

    Anna

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  • Message 33

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    Posted by Auntie Molly (U14110968) on Thursday, 5th May 2011

    I agree with all of this Anna. Will really can do nothing right in the eyes of some. Had he proposed to Nic in the most romantic way possible, and said nothing at all about having a baby, there would still be those saying it was all about getting even with Ed or all part of his dastardly plan for getting custody of George.

    Perhaps Nic had a simply dreadful time with her previous pregnancies, so much so that she does not want to do it again?

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  • Message 34

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    Posted by dickie (U2267358) on Thursday, 5th May 2011

    This could be right: for whatever reason, Nic does not want to have more children. Maybe it's because her experience of pregnancy and child birth was not positive. Alternatively, she does not want to have to go back to looking after a baby.

    A friend of mine put this into perspective with her boyfriend: she told him that she would have the baby but that he would have to be the one to give up work and look after it. No more was heard on the subject.

    What does surprise me is Nic's evident unwillingness to discuss the issue at all: could it be that she thinks that not wanting another baby might be regarded as unnatural (I cannot recall anyone in Ambridge ever saying that they positively do not want children, with the exception of Kathy when unexpectedly pregnant).

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  • Message 35

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    Posted by Pahnda (U14681704) on Thursday, 5th May 2011

    Maybe Nic got sterilised after the last baby, or for some other reason is unable to have any more children, and is scared to tell Will.

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Thursday, 5th May 2011

    I don't for one instant think that Nic is scared of Will!

    Someone who is scared of her partner doesn't push him around the way that Nic pushes Will. She tells him how he is to behave, she forces him to do things he really doesn't want to even slightly, she blows her top at him ... frightened of him? If she is, she chooses a funny way to show it.

    All this "smouldering volcano of resentment with violence just below the surface" stuff is clearly nonsense, if a woman who lives with the bloke and can see just how he behaves is so unscared of his reaction that she forces him to share a table with the one person in the world he actively loathes, and forces him to go to another house in order to share food with that person, and so on.

    When these scriptwriters want to write a volcano of resentment and violence and self-loathing, they do it. He was a gamekeeper. His name was Greg. His characterisation as a violent person stuck out like a sore thumb.

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    Posted by Auntie Molly (U14110968) on Thursday, 5th May 2011

    Maybe Nic got sterilised after the last baby, or for some other reason is unable to have any more children, and is scared to tell Will.  

    Or maybe she is just scared to have another baby, having had very difficult pregnancies, or a very traumatic birth. Nothing whatsoever to do with Will. Aside from the fear of causing him disappointment and possibly heartache, which any normal person would feel surely?

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    Posted by toffee (U8026926) on Thursday, 5th May 2011

    Or maybe she just doesn't want anymore kids, whoever she's living with?

    Nothing to do with being sterilised or fear of childbirth or anything like that.

    And she know how unstable Wiwl can be, which seems to be why she's worried about his reaction to her saying an emphatic no.
    The fact that Wiwl showed no interest in breeding again before Ed and Emma produced a baby probably hasn't escaped her either.

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  • Message 39

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    Posted by toffee (U8026926) on Thursday, 5th May 2011


    Someone who is scared of her partner doesn't push him around the way that Nic pushes Will. She tells him how he is to behave, she forces him to do things he really doesn't want to even slightly, she blows her top at him ... frightened of him? If she is, she chooses a funny way to show it.


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    She does treat him like she's his mother sometimes. And there's another reason for not breeding again. She's already got 4 kids to look after sometimes.

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  • Message 40

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    Posted by anna kist (U2314477) on Thursday, 5th May 2011

    < t just sounded to me as though Will had got the message about Nic not wanting another baby and has decided to concentrate on the son he already has. >

    I doubt that very much. He will use George as a way of getting at Em and Ed in the short term but in the longer term he will want his OWN child by nic if she is daft enough to agree.

    Nasty piece of work is WIll.

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  • Message 41

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    Posted by anna kist (U2314477) on Thursday, 5th May 2011

    here, here Desperate!

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  • Message 42

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Thursday, 5th May 2011

    Auntie Molly, that certainly sounds like a more reasonable possibility than the "she is terrified of the violence of this child she is pushing around all the time" one.

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  • Message 43

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    Posted by anna kist (U2314477) on Thursday, 5th May 2011

    Last year they both said that didn't plan to have a child. SO what has changed? Ed and Em have had a baby. That is why Nic is viewing his desire for a child negatively. She knows this change of heart is to do with the still beloved Em and the still hated Ed and nothing to do her beyond giving him this child.

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    Posted by pollyperks (U2253549) on Thursday, 5th May 2011

    Despite Chris's very reasoned and accurate account of Will/Nic/Ed I still fear for Nic and consider Will unstable.

    He has a streak of pained negativity that goes through him and stops him getting any pleasure from his relationship (we never talk), his job (another early start - I'm whacked), his wealth (we rarely hear about his second home).

    He IS still smouldering - he knows he's always just an arguement away from murdering his brother. And while I accept Ed is not always complimentary about his brother, Will is far more damning of anything Ed does, always expecting it to turn to dust and never giving him the benefit of the doubt, especially with his work.

    I'm sorry to disagree, but I think Will is a very disturbed person who Nic is quite right to be wary of. You never know what he's actually thinking, or what he will do next.

    xx

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    Posted by Scarlett the Harlot (U14540168) on Thursday, 5th May 2011

    Last year they both said that didn't plan to have a child. SO what has changed? Ed and Em have had a baby. That is why Nic is viewing his desire for a child negatively. She knows this change of heart is to do with the still beloved Em and the still hated Ed and nothing to do her beyond giving him this child. 

    Your explanation sounds the most feasible to me Anna.

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    Posted by Fortyeightandcounting (U7021105) on Thursday, 5th May 2011

    He certainly won't be content.

    Keira is currently the only child in the Will/Ed/Nic/Emma disaster area that is living with both its biological parents.

    And if Ed's got one, Will wants one too.

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    Posted by wessex wanderer (U12571998) on Thursday, 5th May 2011

    Will is not good at relationships IMO. He married Emma, who then went off with Ed, his brother.
    Yet Will seems to blame Ed and never Emma. He was even thinking that Emma would come back to him!

    Now he has a new partner, yet he continues this feud with Ed. Most normal people might not go as far as "forgive and forget" (some might), but at least would accept the situation now they are living with someone they love.

    Question is; does Will love Nic, or is she just a way of showing Ed that he, Will, can find himself a woman when required.
    And Nic is not thick, she knows she's there to prove his masculinity.

    ww

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  • Message 48

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    Posted by Lakey_Hill (U14391672) on Thursday, 5th May 2011

    I think that Ed was thinking of George and Emma when he expressed doubt about George spending more time with Will. Won't George feel even more pushed out by the new baby if he is always being shipped off to stay at Casa Nueva? And does Emma really want to start eroding the arrangements that she has strggled over already? Maybe Ed sees Will trying to get a more permanent hold on George. If there were a question of custody, surely his spending more time looking after George would be in his favour? Ed has undoubtedly sometimes been spiteful about and to Will, but I didn't see this as such an occasion.

    I guess that I would expect a couple who are thinking of committing to each other long-term to have discussed their hopes and expectations for the future, and children would surely be a part of that discussion. If nothing was said by Will, Nic may well have thought that he shared her views about not having more children (if indeed she doesn't want more children, at all, or with Will - we don't know). If I couldn't have children, I think that I would feel obliged to be honest about it to a prospective partner. However, I can see that others might not, for a variety of reasons.

    I think that Nic is uncertain about Will, for all she takes a strong line with him sometimes. There is always a feeling, for me anyway, that she is having to manage him. I remember her talking to someone - Clarrie? - about the situation when Emma became pregnant, and she said that she would sort the situation out, but it sounded to me that she wasn't entirely confident about being able to do so.

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    Posted by anna kist (U2314477) on Thursday, 5th May 2011

    I agree with all you say, Lakey.

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    Posted by Auntie Molly (U14110968) on Thursday, 5th May 2011

    Will had a child with a woman who subsequently rejected him in favour of his brother and told him the child was not his, because she did not want it to be his. I do not find it altogether surprising that he should now seek to have another child with a woman who actually wants to be with him and for the child to be his, the same as Ed now has. That is not to say that he should do so only that his feelings are understandable.

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