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  • Message 1. 

    Posted by dickie (U2267358) on Sunday, 6th February 2011

    Once the trustee meeting is out of the way, David should leave Elizabeth to get on with it. It's not his business and he should cease being involved with it.

    If she can't cope, she will have to engage a manager. If LL does not produce enough cash to pay for this, she'll have to reorganise it, cut her cloth accordingly or, in the final analysis, ask the trustees to sell up.

    It's quite ridiculous to suppose that the business will only be able to survive going forward on the back of voluntary efforts by David et al.

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    Posted by riversidedweller (U6254664) on Sunday, 6th February 2011

    I quite agree with what you say. The hard facts are that they will have to find a replacement for Nigel. Elizabeth will find this very upsetting but it is the only way forward for the Estate.
    David cannot carry on trying to take Nigel's place.

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    Posted by Malahide (U14258229) on Sunday, 6th February 2011

    But Kenton might.

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    Posted by anna kist (U2314477) on Monday, 7th February 2011

    agreed Dickie - this is a very silly story and will be sillier if dave is still running around Lolo like a headless chicken this time next week.

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    Posted by Scarlett the Harlot (U14540168) on Monday, 7th February 2011

    I agree dickie. I really find it hard to believe that Lizzie would be so pathetic in regard to not allowing anyone to sit in Nigel's chair.

    She is a business woman who knows fine well that if she neglects the business it will go downhill pretty rapidly.

    I suspect the trustees will insist on a manager and she will then lose the plot completely and completely break down, weeping, wailing and renting of clothes and all.

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    Posted by verycuddleyian (U14262887) on Monday, 7th February 2011

    It's been ridiculous for many years that such a diverse and large business could be run by Nigel and Lizzie without the hepl of many other staff, including a venue manager.

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    Posted by TownieJane (U14315138) on Monday, 7th February 2011

    Yes, of course he should. Should have been gone weeks ago - not that Elizabeth would have let him in the ofice very much, anyway. Someone else pointed out that Elizabeth would not have been at all happy at the thought of Dave having access to bank statements and other stuff about LL's financial position, and I think that's dead right. Grief-stricken or not, elizabeth would always have a strong eye to the main chance and her latest vicissitudes would only sharpen her general sense of injustice. I'm sure she would want to keep her powder dry in case LL goes belly up and she needs to strengthen her position as to a further claim on Phil and Jill's estate.

    Also, what is this bloody pass-the-parcel of jobs? I can see why Eddie would agree to the extra night shifts - and I hope he wrings a jolly good cash-in-hand rate for it - but how come Kenton has time to run round garages looking for Pip's birthday present? Hasn't he also got a business to run, as well as propping up Elizabeth, amusing those ghastly twins and providing aid, succour and leaflets over at The Bull?

    Cheers, Jane

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    Posted by Scarlett the Harlot (U14540168) on Monday, 7th February 2011

    Kenton it seems is a ruddy marvel - all things to all people.

    It wouldn't surprise me if he got the sack from Jaxx he is never there these days!

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  • Message 9

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    Posted by mrsroxanne (U4374068) on Monday, 7th February 2011

    I really hope they do not create any more widows in Ambridge in the near future, as Kenton will simply not be able to cope!

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    Posted by Scarlett the Harlot (U14540168) on Monday, 7th February 2011

    It seems to me that Kenton is one of the few positive things in TA at the moment. He is being a fabulous brother in law to Lizzie, uncle to Lily and Freddie and friend to Jolene.

    Plus he is running Jaxx, helping Jolene with promoting the Bull, being an MC at a wedding.

    Oops nearly forgot - he is also organising Pip's car for her birthday.

    Is there no end to the man's talents and energy?????

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    Posted by BlackSheepBoy (U11150138) on Monday, 7th February 2011

    I agree with the OP.

    If there is a sensitivity for now about someone else being The Manager, at that desk, and in that chair, then by all means they can organise around those sensitivities. But the main point is to get somebody onto the site in an administrative role who (without being Nigel) can just get on with some administrative work.

    Despit being rubbished as "back-office" that kind of work does need be done, and is not without its own skills, So they need a person with the skills. David is a nice sensitive brother, but not great back office.

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    Posted by Earldunda (U14196337) on Monday, 7th February 2011

    It is time for the farce of David at Lower Loxley to end.

    The man is a barely adequate farmer, and has no skills at running LL.

    If we are supposed to think well of him for his efforts at LL, I don't think this has worked!

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    Posted by Lakey_Hill (U14391672) on Monday, 7th February 2011

    Regardless of how well David farms or tries to run Lower Loxley, he isn't helping anyone in doing so. He is running both himself and Ruth into the ground, and allowing Elizabeth to remain in her fantasy world of being able to carry on without replacing Nigel. It won't get any easier if she leaves it longer.

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    Posted by flameofthewest (U14483084) on Monday, 7th February 2011

    She is a business woman who knows fine well that if she neglects the business it will go downhill pretty rapidly. 

    One might think so, but I suspect the SWs have another agenda.

    It seems to me that if Nigel's death is to have the long lasting and far-reaching consequences advertised, one of those consequences must be the Lower Loxley estate passing from the hands of the Pargetters and the house being turned into luxury flats by Amside Properties Ltd. I think the production team believe, rightly or wrongly, that listeners are no longer interested in the day-to-day doings of toffs with stately homes, even struggling ones with implausible business models. It's hardly an everyday story of most 21st century country folk. I think this is one of the main reasons Nigel was picked out for the chop.

    Presumably for this to come to pass the business will have to get into serious financial difficulties. So, Lizzie refuses to hire a manager and makes herself ill trying to run the whole lot single-handedly, and everything falls apart. I give a couple of years.

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    Posted by BlackSheepBoy (U11150138) on Monday, 7th February 2011

    LH

    Surely the way to put it to her is that

    No-one is replacing Nigel, unless indeed it be herself.

    But someone needs to be there who will eat up paperwork, pay invoices, file reciepts, prepare spreadsheets.

    Someone who has those skills, who will do it on her instructions, but do it single-mindedly,

    Which is just what Nigel would have wanted, by the way.

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  • Message 16

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    Posted by Lakey_Hill (U14391672) on Monday, 7th February 2011

    I'm not saying that it can't be explained to Elizabeth in a way that she would understand. Just that by David doing all of the work himself, she can continue to think that she doesn't need any outside help on a proper footing, just her brother-in-law running himself and probably two businesses into the ground.

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    Posted by laughingDeborah (U13727461) on Monday, 7th February 2011

    I am staggered (or would be if I were interested enough) that Elizabeth doesn't see that what Nigel did was so fantastic that his work can't just be taken over by an already overworked farmer with no experience. It needs to be at least a full time manager, if not several people.
    She is in effect making out that he ran it in his scatty way as a kind of hobby, nothing more.
    If only David had slipped off the roof and we could've heard Elizabeth helping Ruth with the lambing.
    Sick of this story already. There's still time to bring the cousin\manager/lover in who sounds exactly like Graham Seed........

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  • Message 18

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    Posted by Lakey_Hill (U14391672) on Monday, 7th February 2011

    Kenton seems happy to help out a bit, but shows no signs of wanting to take it on full-time. He would only do it for five minutes, if he did start acting as manager, then he'd abandon it for The Bull, or whatever the next project is, as he appears to have lost interest in both Jaxxes.

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  • Message 19

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    Posted by honeybuzzard (U14651624) on Monday, 7th February 2011

    Kenton's got it sussed! Put in some hours setting things up, have lots of fun designing things, then get in really good staff who can run things for you & just pop in for special events, pick up random customers, nick stock to give to Jolene, etc.


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  • Message 20

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    Posted by DracoM1 (U14252039) on Monday, 7th February 2011

    Tonight was all about just how deeply cocoonedLizzie is still in the "Nigel is there but just out for a minute" bubble.

    Everything she said tonight and the other day with the children was laced with Nigel this and Nigel that, and gave every impresison that she is resisting any kind of attempt to tear her out of it. the apotheosis has started in earnest, both bu her and she letting the children do the same, and we are either heading for a major breakdown or some kind person [ Jill / Shula?] taking her AWAY for a holiday and getting her to talk through it. And if that happens, then she iwll have to get a manager. And if she doesn't, she will even sooner need a manager.

    How blinded she is came out in that amazing scene with David clearly implying that she tacitly expects him to carry on doing what he's doing at loLo with not a shred of recognition that there is a full-time farm to be curated by this man - her brother the full-time farmer and father - just down the road.

    Worrying.

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  • Message 21

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    Posted by DracoM1 (U14252039) on Monday, 7th February 2011

    bump

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