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  • Message 1. 

    Posted by SaintHarry (U14774896) on Thursday, 3rd February 2011

    Was the flood of criticism following Nigel's death a little premature? It seems to me that the SATTC storyline is beginning to produce some very interesting ramifications for the Archer family..

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    Posted by The Doozra (U14313011) on Thursday, 3rd February 2011

    No.
    TD

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    Posted by flamey nell (U14740877) on Thursday, 3rd February 2011

    Pardon?
    You cannot be serious. How often do we have to point out the blatant mistakes and holes in the SL? I don't think many people argued that there wouldn't be a SL afterwards, just that getting there was so completely unbelievable, and therefore all trust gone and can't be figged to listen any more.
    It's nothing to do with being impatient. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

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    Posted by petal jam (U1466691) on Thursday, 3rd February 2011

    >>Was the flood of criticism following Nigel's death a little premature?

    Yes. Not all of it unjustified, but a little hasty.

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    Posted by petal jam (U1466691) on Thursday, 3rd February 2011

    Whooops! Re 'best ever storyline?' No. Imo the best recent story was the anaerobic digester - a strong, current rural issue, with characters behaving true to form, yet not predictable.

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    Posted by AP (U14268795) on Thursday, 3rd February 2011

    A disabled Nigel would have had similar ramifications, with a few more for luck. The silly plotline that got him up on the roof would have been the same though. Ah well.

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    Posted by Joe K (U5367586) on Friday, 4th February 2011

    Please put down your mouse. You have 20 seconds to comply...

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    Posted by gurnemanz (U2578279) on Friday, 4th February 2011

    Speaking personally, I have a penchant for town-crying storylines and find fatal roof-falls rather crude in comparison.

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    Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Friday, 4th February 2011

    Some people thought Nigel was a bit of a prat.

    So was it a prat-fall?

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    Posted by Hot Cross Nun (U13860520) on Friday, 4th February 2011

    I yearn for the heady days of Gary the Somewhat Unsuccessful Pigman. Oh, he was so sweet!

    Happier, more innocent times, they were.

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    Posted by PaulHammond (U5000908) on Friday, 4th February 2011

    So was it a prat-fall?  

    Thanks for the snorks, OI!

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  • Message 12

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    Posted by petal jam (U1466691) on Friday, 4th February 2011

    >>Please put down your mouse. You have 20 seconds to comply...

    Err... or what?

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  • Message 13

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    Posted by Joe K (U5367586) on Friday, 4th February 2011

    You now have *15* seconds to comply...

    I love people with a sense of humour bypass ; - )

    (and people who don't like smileys, too)

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    Posted by halftidy (U8567554) on Friday, 4th February 2011

    re OP

    No

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    Posted by Lady Trudie Tilney Glorfindel Maldini (U2222312) on Friday, 4th February 2011

    No, not by a long way.

    However not the worst, either.

    I think the flood of criticism reflected the expectations raised.

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  • Message 16

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    Posted by maggiesaes (U2771771) on Friday, 4th February 2011

    But it is now a month on since 'that' happening and although the miracle baby story wasn rushed on with indecent haste to ciincide with the anniversary the gloom fest wallows on in the aftermath in such a painful dragged out and unoriginal manner that interest will wane.

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    Posted by Bartsfets (U3639285) on Friday, 4th February 2011

    No.

    Pants all round.

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  • Message 18

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    Posted by Stayfortea (U14063569) on Friday, 4th February 2011

    Yes, just so!
    If the great event hadn't been trumpeted for months, I'm sure the reactions would have been less violent.
    I just felt diappointment as it was not particularly shattering for Ambridge as a whole..............yet.......!

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    Posted by Missile Toe n Whine (U14764370) on Friday, 4th February 2011

    ..I a minded of a certain bad tempered American former tennis star's words to a Wimbledon umpire following a dubious line call... "You CANNOT be...."

    So in answer to the OP 'NOT' then... IMO but thanks for the snork!

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    Posted by Gervase (U14725325) on Friday, 4th February 2011

    I think the fallout (see what I did there?) from Nigel's death is already giving us some extremely well-acted and well-written stuff - Alison Dowling's performance last night was superb - and the ripples will indeed continue to spread for a long time to come.
    An excellent storyline well executed, I thought (apart from Graham Seed's rather hammy scream which started the whole shebang).

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  • Message 21

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    Posted by annie (U14740778) on Friday, 4th February 2011

    Only if you like to hear more widow grief, orphaned children, doom and gloom and odd post natal character changes.
    I heard last night and decided to switch of Lizzie's well acted but frankly just upsetting scene.
    Every time I give TA another go, this is what I get - no thanks.

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    Posted by Mild at heart (U14639665) on Friday, 4th February 2011

    No.

    Nigel's death was a poorly contrived device, badly written, out of character and unrealistic.

    The ramifications are interesting, but very few people were criticising these on the 2nd Jan; I think the strength of feeling was against how the SL had been manipulated in order to set up said ramifications.

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    Posted by Missile Toe n Whine (U14764370) on Friday, 4th February 2011

    "I am a farmer, I FARM, that's what I do!"

    "For daddy"

    "It's what Sid would have wanted"

    "Sid always enjoyed.. (insert as relevant)"

    "It's what Nigel would have wanted"

    "Sid would have liked that"

    "Nigel always enjoyed (or 'liked') that"

    ( enter baby Cheesus stage left) "Cooooo Ahhhhh!" (repeat ad nausium)

    And now a fairytale for the children : It was a cold dark night when Mr Playitsafe said to his brother in law and good friend, Lord Twit,
    "What are you man or mouse!" and led Lord Twit to a dark, wind swept, frosty high place....

    RIPPING STUFF WHAT?!!

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    Posted by Bartsfets (U3639285) on Friday, 4th February 2011

    And don't forget 'Long may it continue!'

    (Identical response to the total transformation of Helen, then Kate.)

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    Posted by Barley Whine (U5508386) on Friday, 4th February 2011

    Sorry, OP, I don't think so.

    Every minute of the fall out (somehow an appropriate expression) has been so clunkingly obvious as to have been written by a computer, and nothing leads me to expect it will get any better.

    And I am still far more alarmed at the rewriting of virtually every personality to suit Whitburn's Whims. From St Helen to the Blessed Brine, from Kenny to a Stroppy Clarrie to a Doting Tone, we long-time listeners are being asked to accept what amounts to a totally-repopulated Village of the Damned.

    Hang on. Perhaps that's it: Whitburn has been reading John Wyndham.

    But "best -ever storyline"? No. Never. Not in a Month of Minibuses.

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  • Message 26

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    Posted by mike (U14258103) on Friday, 4th February 2011

    >>Was the flood of criticism following Nigel's death a little premature?

    >Yes. Not all of it unjustified, but a little hasty.

    At least three threads had been started deploring Nigel's demise by the time he hit the ground. This is normal for ML and not at all hasty.

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  • Message 27

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    Posted by JacksParakeetBeingDe-Nested (U2979858) on Friday, 4th February 2011

    re 17:

    very kind of you to offer, Barts. It's a bit early for me; could I just have a thong?

    jp

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  • Message 28

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    Posted by Bartsfets (U3639285) on Friday, 4th February 2011

    I think I can manage that. Choothe a key.

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  • Message 29

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    Posted by joe (U13868420) on Friday, 4th February 2011

    Perhaps that's it: Whitburn has been reading John Wyndham  I wondered about this elsethread - though I suspect she's heading towards "Consider Her Ways" rather than "The Midwich Cuckoos"

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  • Message 30

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    Posted by Redbookish (U1335018) on Friday, 4th February 2011

    I think the fallout (see what I did there?) from Nigel's death is already giving us some extremely well-acted and well-written stuff - Alison Dowling's performance last night was superb - and the ripples will indeed continue to spread for a long time to come. 

    Yes, Gervase, I agree. And also with ERmintrude about over-expectations (although some of it was down to the self-hyping of Mustardlanders here n this MB).

    I've just had a chance to listen to last night's ep via podcast, and Lizzard's anger was both accurate, a relief, and heart-wrenching. As was Ruth's.

    It's entirely in character that David, bumbling benignly as usual & trying to do what /he/ thinks is best, gets myopic about those closest to him, and especially Ruth. He did it over the Sohpie thing before. And it comes from the fact that at heart, David is a really nice simple man, who loves Ruth and trusts her and really believes in her capability and strength, so never quite sees when she is struggling. I like this sort of continuity and the way it allows me as listener to hear the parallels and think "Oh yes, that was like when he ..."

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    Posted by Redbookish (U1335018) on Friday, 4th February 2011

    At least three threads had been started deploring Nigel's demise by the time he hit the ground. This is normal for ML and not at all hasty. 

    Snork, mike!

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  • Message 32

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    Posted by joe (U13868420) on Friday, 4th February 2011

    Oh - as to the OP, no, sorry, it was - and continues to be - utter rubbish.

    No amount of self-justification by an in-denial production team can alter the fact that they've lost the trust and faith of their core audience. Nor can the sycophantic - apparently photocopied - thank-you letters from their acolytes in ML. And certainly not a pointless celeb walk-on.*

    A programme such as TA requires continuity. Continuity does /not/ mean stagnation, however. Things can - must - change. People change. Accidents *do* happen. *BUT* it must be a natural, believable process - the threads should be, to a greater or lesser degree, traceable. Post Jan 2nd, that continuity has been destroyed, as if there's been a conscious decision to erase history and start again so the hoped-for new listeners won't have to worry about catching up. (When I mentioned this elsewhere, I was assured by Tayler that this was "categorically" not the case - I'm afraid I remain unconvinced).

    And to cap it all, we're patronised on Feedback and dismissed as "a few" disappointed obsessives - the sort of sad people who probably sent flowers for Nigel's grave…

    Sorry, Ms W - but we *are* capable of distinguishing fact from fiction - whether it be in a drama or an official BBC statement




    *That's one bit of hype I *am* grateful for - at least I'll know when it's (reasonably) safe to turn back on…

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  • Message 33

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    Posted by joe (U13868420) on Friday, 4th February 2011

    David is a really nice simple man, who loves Ruth and trusts her  So much so that he told Kenton that she was obviously getting breast reconstruction so as to be more attractive to other men.

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  • Message 34

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    Posted by Katy Tulip (U2239809) on Friday, 4th February 2011

    But Redbookish, while I can believe that overwhelming guilt would drive David to go all out in his efforts to "make up the damage he feels he caused", I simply cannot believe he would willingly abandon Brookfield for over a month now in order to do something he is patently incapable of doing, in any capacity whatsoever (well apart from the outside work at LoLo at any rate). He's an outright menace to the business at LoLo if you ask me, and the sooner Lizzie joins Lewis & Kenton in recognising this and boots him out of that office, the better for all of them.

    As has been said again and again and again on here (re the badger-killing), this is the man who is so protective of his farm and herd, that he will break the law in an effort to remove any perceived threat to them without thinking twice about it. Yet now he hardly seems to care. Or much for his family, quite frankly. I wouldn't half lay into him if I were Ruth...

    Now where am I going wrong here in how I perceive things?

    Katy

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  • Message 35

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    Posted by Pat_Clifton (U14447939) on Friday, 4th February 2011

    Is the SATTC the best ever SL? No.
    Is some of the criticism premature? Yes.

    It seems to me there are 3 phases to the SATTC:
    1) The events themselves;
    2) The immediate aftermath
    3) The long-term repercussions.
    We are currently in transition from 2 to 3.

    I didn't want my core shaken. I wouldn't have chosen to have it shaken in that way. I wouldn't have chosen Nigel and David to be the protaganists and I felt the script itself to be very clumsily written - more like an episode of Casualty than TA. Is Ms Whitburn contemplating a move down the M5 to Holby, perhaps?

    The second phase I have found both gripping and moving (sometimes close to tears), at least in respect of Nigel's death. The scripts have been well written and well acted. I find Helen's transformation harder to take, but we have been given the odd tantalising hint of the Old Helen underneath. In short, I'd really rather the SATTC hadn't happened and I don't feel it is justified by what has followed since, excellent though it is.

    The true test of SATTC is how it will be dealt with in the longer term. How will it impact on Brokfield and its inhabitants? On the Pargetters? What will happen to Kenton (who appears to be being allowed to become 3D, at long last) - will he finally find his niche, whether as manager at LoLo or Mine Host at the Bull?

    For Helen to be transformed by motherhood is realistic, but to have a complete personality transplant is not. We have been given occasional glimpses of the Helen we know and 'love'; are we going to get what could be a really interesting storyline of how she copes with the realities of single motherhood? And if she is going to focus on Henry instead of the business, how will that impact on Bridge Farm, especially if Kirsty is appointed manager of Jaxx.

    I don't think SATTC was the best SL ever. That accolade IMO, would go to the Fall and Rise of the Grundies, from bankrupcy and eviction, through Meadow Rise and the caravan, to redemption at Keeper's Cottage. I am however glued to the radio to hear how it will all turn out.

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    Posted by petal jam (U1466691) on Friday, 4th February 2011

    Katy I see David as someone who is absolutely clear-headed and calm while dealing with practical problems within his compass, but who responds over-emotionally to situations which are outside his control. His gut reaction is to give it a bit more muscle and try harder, not to think strategically. By and large that works on a farm. I find it believable that he reacts as if his physical presence at Lower Loxley will get him through Nigel's death, too.

    Remember the conversation between David and Nigel about how they each weathered their boarding school days [and by inference how Freddie might find going away to school]? As David said then, he found it OK becuase he was keen on team sports. This is his turn at the crease, or perhaps Nigel has made a dummy run and passed him the ball. All he has in his head is deal with each delivery as it comes or run through every would-be tackle until he gets to the line.

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    Posted by PaulHammond (U5000908) on Saturday, 5th February 2011

    Thank you, petal jam. That makes a lot of sense to me.

    It also explains why he couldn't see the sense in Kenton's offer to help him out until he'd bashed his head against that wedding stuff a few times.

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  • Message 38

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    Posted by Leaping Badger (U3587940) on Saturday, 5th February 2011

    Imo the best recent story was the anaerobic digester - a strong, current rural issue, with characters behaving true to form, yet not predictable.  
    Agreed: the anaerobic digester and the Grundys having to leave Grange Farm were the best storylines in recent years. They had a bit of everything in the right proportions. Nigel taking a nosedive has nothing on them and I don't care to hear the ongoing saga.
    'Ö'

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  • Message 39

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    Posted by Bartsfets (U3639285) on Saturday, 5th February 2011

    The Brian/Shove/JD SL was very well done, I think. We don't seem to have this sort of 'page-turner' unfolding steadily now. Anything which starts off with promise either goes off the rails into bizarre inconsistency, or peters out after a few episodes.

    I also thought Ruth's cancer was very sensitively dealt with from her diagnosis through to her op and immediate aftermath. I remember being quite moved by the way she and David interacted during that time.

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    Posted by shelnews (U14738954) on Saturday, 5th February 2011

    Hear hear Flamey....

    What I am getting impatient about though is the consistently patronising waffle that comes from the production team (and some listeners) that urges those of us who care about the gaffs and inconsistencies and sheer nonsense to pipe down, as 'we'll get it in the end'.

    The point is that for some of us we can't 'get' it. First of all because we're too busy cringing at said nonsense instead of relaxing and enjoying 'our' Archers. Secondly because there's very little to get - man falls off the roof, everybody's sad and it's a bit tricky running things without him, woman has baby and people are quite happy/worried/supportive - over and over and over again.

    As many of us will know, village life does not stop simply because people die or have babies, neither do 'plot devices' (like a charming old local dressed as a Druid or the odd royal) turn up on our doorsteps to distract us when we are in the midst of grief or breast-feeding. The octogenarian who delivers the parish magazine still rings the doorbell with dogged determination until she gets her £2 annual subs, the village shop still runs out of salt because everybody panic-buys to keep the paths clear when the temperatures suddenly plummet, and the cost of heating oil is still a major topic for discussion at every possible opportunity because it's winter and there's a monopoly and everybody is quite cross about it etc etc etc.....

    Only in soap operas does life revolve around 'major plotlines' and their associated 'ripples in the pond'. TA was never supposed to be a 'soap' and, as many other people have observed on these boards,
    recent events have only served to dramatically shift the whole premise of the programme to a place where many of us feel very uncomfortable. I am glad that other people are enjoying listening and feel that recent events in TA have contributed to their enjoyment - indeed I am very envious as I have loved TA for many years. However I would hope that others would extend me similar courtesy in being able to express that I miss TA for its gentle and perceptive portrayl of rural life and that I can't see the point of listening anymore if it's only going to do what all the other 'soap's do.

    I really do hope that this post will not now be met by people telling me to 'get a life', or to 'get over it' , or that I need to realise that TA is not real, or that Nigel was a prawn anyway, or pointing out lots of things that I should have not liked in previous SL's, or that they like it and therefore I'm wrong, or that people really do fall off roofs in RL, etc etc - or I will have to start to fear for either my ability to write (not good news in my profession), or other people's ability to read.....

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    Posted by Barley Whine (U5508386) on Saturday, 5th February 2011

    Shelnews: congratulations on a brilliant expression of the real frustrations of coping with TA at the moment.

    I agree with everything you have written here, and in particular with the emphasis on what you have to say about distancing TA from the ridiculous melodramatic soaps.

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  • Message 42

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    Posted by mike (U14258103) on Saturday, 5th February 2011

    So if Nigel was a prawn is Helen shellfish?

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    Posted by shelnews (U14738954) on Saturday, 5th February 2011

    Oh yes Mike - that'll explain the allergic reactions then!

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    Posted by villageschoolmaam (U11233398) on Saturday, 5th February 2011

    Excellent.

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  • Message 45

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    Posted by Charley Farley (U2220637) on Saturday, 5th February 2011

    The criticism was not the death per ce but all together more about the ridiculous writing that got us there.


    How any one thinks a death in those circs represents celebration is beyond me.

    I am pleased that the next Queen of England agreed to appear, especially in her role of Patron of the OS... it gives the programme some of the respect it deserves... but it still needs an editor that can grasp how far off the mark she was with all this hyped doom and birth carp.

    I suspect your actually a sock puppet of the prod team sent in to test the waters...

    Well here, they are still boiling for Ms Whitburn and this is not feed back it is still a complaint

    CF

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  • Message 46

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    Posted by Charley Farley (U2220637) on Saturday, 5th February 2011

    In Reply to this post, from Shelnews, I have to say that you express my frustrations perfectly ... thankyou...


    Charley x

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    Posted by Slightly-Foxed_a cat needs rehoming in Droitwich (U9332727) on Saturday, 5th February 2011

    Was the flood of criticism following Nigel's death a little premature? It seems to me that the SATTC storyline is beginning to produce some very interesting ramifications for the Archer family 

    I wouldn't know, I haven't listened since Jan 2nd

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  • Message 48

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    Posted by anna kist (U2314477) on Saturday, 5th February 2011

    top post, Shelnews...

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  • Message 49

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    Posted by Joe K (U5367586) on Saturday, 5th February 2011

    I'm sure he's only a glitch...

    www.youtube.com/watc...

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  • Message 50

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    Posted by Gervase (U14725325) on Saturday, 5th February 2011

    I wouldn't know, I haven't listened since Jan 2nd 
    Shame really, as you've missed some quality drama. The Archers is on-song at the moment and has this listener on the edge of his seat.
    I'm afraid the price of Hob-Nobs (other biscuits are available) in the village shop really doesn't do it for me. I like a couple of strong storylines to be running, then the quotidian stuff of the village can chug along as dressing and/or ballast.

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