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  • Message 1. 

    Posted by Skyebird (U14198692) on Wednesday, 8th December 2010

    Words fail me!! You tell him, Nick! He doesn't deserve you! How can he be so selfish!?

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  • Message 2

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    Posted by Nelson_G (U13801071) on Wednesday, 8th December 2010

    Go Nic. You tell him.

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  • Message 3

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Wednesday, 8th December 2010

    No, sorry: why is Will to be harrassed and bullied into association with someone he detests for perfectly good reasons?

    I hope he manages to to avoid actually turning up.

    What Nic and Clarrie did is called "coercion", and it is a very bad way to behave.

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  • Message 4

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    Posted by glen berro (U8860283) on Wednesday, 8th December 2010

    I'm wondering whether if anyone can think of someone who deserves him.

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  • Message 5

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    Posted by ruralsnowflakebliss (U8131914) on Wednesday, 8th December 2010

    I agree Chris.. it is also called insensitive... no one really listens to him do they? If he does take out half the village (vanishingly unlikely alas) then this may well be the reason.

    Yes he should think of his mother but he cna help without having much to do with his brother

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  • Message 6

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    Posted by Dr Toad Leg (U14567813) on Wednesday, 8th December 2010

    Chris, I'm afraid I disagree with you.
    Wiwyum is a grown man with responsibilities.
    He should conduct himself accordingly.
    He sets an appalling example to Nic's children and to his own son.

    And in reply to glen berro, the only person in the enclave who deserves him is Katred.
    Or possibly the Catheter.

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  • Message 7

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    Posted by Nelson_G (U13801071) on Wednesday, 8th December 2010

    why is Will to be harrassed and bullied into association with someone he detests for perfectly good reasons? 

    Because his mother has broken her arm and this is the family's only legitimate big money making venture for the year. He doesn't have to like it, he just has to turn up, shut up and pluck turkeys.

    Entirely agree with you about the good reasons, just that now's not the time.

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  • Message 8

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    Posted by fondantfancee (U14086841) on Wednesday, 8th December 2010

    Agreed Chris. Of course in an ideal world he should be able to work with his brother - and probably can do the job without either of them speaking.
    He should not be coerced though.

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  • Message 9

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    Posted by Desperate (U14533525) on Wednesday, 8th December 2010

    No matter how much sympathy you have with will he has a serious problem that he needs to deal with and i think the pro Will people need to actually accept how out of touch with reality he is

    But never mind, there is only one point of view thats valid and thats theirs and nothing said no matter how well reasoned can change that.Black and white, Ed bad Will good. Will isn't ill even though he thought hhimself that he would have murdered his own brother if not interreputed as he said himself, but no, we all know better than him what hes thinking and what he would have done and we can pretend it wasn't even an assault and just play fighting.

    I do think that if its so harmless, if its not a big deal, actual get strangled to the point your voice is damaged and your neck bruised badly enough for others to remark on it, and see if it actually seems like such a big deal.

    Early on it was Ed in the wrong, taking his brothers wife, but at this point he is merely jealous because she no longer wishes to goout with him, thats it, thats all thats left.

    Was going totake a concilliatory tone, but instead had a rant.

    But I do feel its unimportant what i actually write, it wont make any difference.

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  • Message 10

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    Posted by lawlass formerly wheatarw (U7023283) on Wednesday, 8th December 2010

    Forgive and forget! Impossible for Will understandably. I think Ed's a disgusting little toad and as for Eddie's high mindedness - well he should shove his xmas trees where the sun don't shine.

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  • Message 11

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    Posted by JudithL (U14272244) on Wednesday, 8th December 2010

    More shame to Will that he had to be coerced like that. That'll teach him to do one of his sulks when Nic's around.
    He and Ed aren't best mates, OK, we get it, but they aren't either of them kids in the playground. They're grown men - allegedly - and in a crisis, family comes first.
    He's behaving as if Clarrie broke her arm on purpose at his busy time of year.

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  • Message 12

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    Posted by ruralsnowflakebliss (U8131914) on Wednesday, 8th December 2010

    I was going to say something along the lines of why on earth would you WANT to be in the same room as someone who cared absolutely nothing about how they hurt you? but I see you have as fixed an attitude as me Jigie....

    Oh yes the grundies pull together and they guilt their hurt son into line...

    Perhaps he should be 'bigger' and turn up and just ignore edward but hey...

    I really can't see why it is so hard to accept that will is angry and probably will be angry for the rest of his life (poor him). He didn't ask for waht happened to him

    I do find Clarrie and Eddie quite repulsive in someways

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  • Message 13

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    Posted by Farewell Fieldpenguin (U2266391) on Wednesday, 8th December 2010

    Usual daftness where Will's parents just forget he gates his brother. Whether or not you think Ed's changed in the last few years, there must be a way to let them both help our without seeing each other.

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  • Message 14

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    Posted by Sallyruth (U14589711) on Wednesday, 8th December 2010

    No wonder Andrew left Nic.

    She is such a horror, obviously all that "p00r ickle ME" stuff was put on, and now she is showing her true colours (mustard gloves with steel grey linings).

    Poor Will.

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  • Message 15

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    Posted by fondantfancee (U14086841) on Wednesday, 8th December 2010

    Maybe consiliation would be more likely Jigje if the parents acknowledged what happened, allowed space for this to be talked about openly and stopped going on about how 'nice' Chrisermas will be with them all there.
    Clarrie and Eddie - and Joe are big parts of this praablem.
    Both boys have done well for themselves and ARE grown men.
    You don't have to 'hate' Ed to sympathise with Will BTW.

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  • Message 16

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    Posted by NotsoTinyTim (U2256329) on Wednesday, 8th December 2010



    He could well deal with his problem by blasting the living daylights out of his brother and shaking Ambridge to its core. Then he will find 'closure' - when the cell door closes on him.

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  • Message 17

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    Posted by Desperate (U14533525) on Wednesday, 8th December 2010

    I wasn't listening when Ed was in the wrong, but the description of the whole timeline of the relationship puts one person at fault. And its not Ed or Will.

    But it would be best for Will to move on, can't you see that? its not healthy, you cannot pretend it is healthy and he is hurting inside.

    And certainly the language he used was childish, very very very childish.

    Its the implication people have to
    a) Be punished for ever for their misdemeanors, no one must ever forgive, and they musnt be seen as capable of changeand all the actions therafter seen as having a negative motivation

    b) the victims should never come to terms with what happened to them

    You can say thats not what you actually mean, but that is what it boils down to.

    Believe it or not I can see both sides of this, its the fact I see people totally ignoring dialogue in order to hold on to their oh so precious points of view.

    The thing is if you started listening when i did Will was painted as being a nutter and Ed as thoughtful and considerate. Since then they have rebalanced it. Before that Ed was the bad guy.

    And i am sure someone will be mentioning Ed's drug use. That line is redundant, the past and not worth mentioning.

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  • Message 18

    , in reply to message 15.

    Posted by Desperate (U14533525) on Wednesday, 8th December 2010

    "Maybe consiliation would be more likely Jigje if the parents acknowledged what happened, allowed space for this to be talked about openly and stopped going on about how 'nice' Chrisermas will be with them all there."

    Yes you are right, thats what should have been done. But now its a long time later and this seems to me the right way to deal with what Will is doing now, his actual behaviour now in this individual moment. At another moment someone should actually get him to talk.

    And I do sympathise with Will, but only because he is so unhappy and perpetuaating his own unhappiness.

    But what really gets me is the editorial decision some time ago to keep this feud going, presumably for our listening pleasure.

    I can accept them not getting on, thats fine. Its the dodgy drama.

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  • Message 19

    , in reply to message 18.

    Posted by llys (U14420460) on Wednesday, 8th December 2010

    I agree with what Nic said, but she should have said it in private, not in front of his parents.

    I usually sympathise with Will, but tonight he really was very childish. There is no need at all for him to even talk with Ed while they are plucking turkeys.

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  • Message 20

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Wednesday, 8th December 2010

    Jigje, my objection to the behaviour of Clarrie and Ed, and of Nic, is that their suggested "cure" fior Will's definitely existing pain and rejection of the person who caused it is (as I have said on another thread)m roughly equivalent to locking someone into a small, sealed room to "cure" him of claustrophobia.

    In the case of Will's reaction to Ed maybe more like locking him into a room with a tarantula to help him get over his arachnophobia.

    Besides, consider this: the two Grundy parents, and Joe, were going to do this job, with help from Ed at one stage of the day and William (when he was not at work) at another.

    So one of the three is no longer able to do her part of it.

    Wht does this require three other people to be there full time?

    Is Clarrie *that* wonderful? Does the work of three?

    No. Let Nic volunteer to take her place, by all menas, but nobody has the right to "volunteer" Will for this job. His bad karma is *his* bad karma; but I cannot and will not say that emoptional blackmail is proper, even if it were to be fruitful.

    Has anyone bothered to ask the useless Emma to turn up, do you suppose? Or asked Ed whether he actually wants to spend the whole day with Will?

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  • Message 21

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Wednesday, 8th December 2010

    Jigje, my objection to the behaviour of Clarrie and Ed, and of Nic, is that their suggested "cure" fior Will's definitely existing pain and rejection of the person who caused it is (as I have said on another thread)m roughly equivalent to locking someone into a small, sealed room to "cure" him of claustrophobia.

    In the case of Will's reaction to Ed maybe more like locking him into a room with a tarantula to help him get over his arachnophobia.

    Besides, consider this: the two Grundy parents, and Joe, were going to do this job, with help from Ed at one stage of the day and William (when he was not at work) at another.

    So one of the three is no longer able to do her part of it.

    Why does this require three other people to be there full time?

    Is Clarrie *that* wonderful? Does the work of three?

    No. Let Nic volunteer to take her place, by all means, but nobody has the right to "volunteer" Will for this job. His bad karma is *his* bad karma; but I cannot and will not say that emoptional blackmail is proper, even if it were to be fruitful.

    Has anyone bothered to ask the useless Emma to turn up, do you suppose? Or asked Ed whether he actually wants to spend the whole day with Will?

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  • Message 22

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Wednesday, 8th December 2010

    I am sorry: I have no idea what happened there and caused my post to go up when I had not asked it to nor finished editing it... My "reply to" box has now gone strange as well, with virtical yellow stripes on it instead of round it.

    Oh lord, have they broken the board *again*?

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  • Message 23

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    Posted by soobeesomewhere_or_other_soon (U14156736) on Wednesday, 8th December 2010

    You cannot imagine the problems I have had just to post this tripe (slow internet, glitchy board etc.) but I might just say that there is a bit of a comparison between Clarrie's incapacity (wanting family to pull together) and Will's dreadful emotional betrayal. Clarrie's bone will set in a few weeks(it's natural). Will's trauma may never mend (it was an unnaturally huge injury). Forcing (coercing) a grand family effort is plain stupid. Short-termism, in the extreme.
    Soo

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  • Message 24

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    Posted by LilianFred (U14714921) on Wednesday, 8th December 2010

    No, sorry: why is Will to be harrassed and bullied into association with someone he detests for perfectly good reasons?

    I hope he manages to to avoid actually turning up.

    What Nic and Clarrie did is called "coercion", and it is a very bad way to behave. 


    I know Wiwyam is rather grumpy at times, but Ed did steal his wife and to some extent, his son. Have to say though that Emma should have an equal share of the blame.

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  • Message 25

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    Posted by Now Locking for a house (U3261819) on Wednesday, 8th December 2010

    It is a shame that ideas and values of 'family first'', pulling together' etc were not in force when Ed and Clarrie were shafting their brother and son.

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  • Message 26

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Wednesday, 8th December 2010

    As far as I can see, the only unifying influence in that family is Clarrie: nobody else being hurt counts, but if Clarrie is upset or hurt then all the family is expected to do something about it.

    Given that most of what upsets Clarrie is done by Eddie or Joe, you'd think they might trample on her feelings a bit less!

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  • Message 27

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    Posted by Now Locking for a house (U3261819) on Wednesday, 8th December 2010

    Yes, Clarrie certainly is the epitome of passive aggression.

    Aaaahhh Chris.... united in our dislike of Clarrie and other Grundies..... Well, it is the season of Good Will ! Or Bad Will if you are an Ed supporter. You see, one can even discover positivity in hatred.

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  • Message 28

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Wednesday, 8th December 2010

    There are times when I feel that Alf is the cream of the Grundy crop: he got out of Ambridge and hasn't come back.

    The Grundy taint corrupts anyone who comes under a Grundy roof: Clarrie, Emma, Nic -- and Fallon was a lot better before she took up with Ed, though now she has stopped being with him she might rejoin the human race. Beth escaped by the skin of her teeth, and lucky for her it was.

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  • Message 29

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    Posted by Now Locking for a house (U3261819) on Wednesday, 8th December 2010

    Must have been her superior American teeth Chris!

    Just been in the US and the whiteness of the teeth was hard to bear.... A little too dazzling. When one looks at an American, one only sees their teeth. It is distracting. Give me the more calming' British Grin'.

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  • Message 30

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    Posted by JennyDarling Long Gone (U250754) on Wednesday, 8th December 2010

    Ed did not steal William's wife - Emma was the perpetrator, and Ed was weak at the time. No excuses there, but William's behavious now is beyond the pale.

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  • Message 31

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    Posted by fabsupergran (U11440988) on Thursday, 9th December 2010

    The complaint on these boards a while back was that Nic was pathetic and clingy and wet and childish so I was very glad that she told Will to get a grip tonight.

    I was sorry for Will when he lost Emma to Will all those months ago but he is with Nic now and its an insult to her when he acts the way he does towards Ed.

    Ed is helping Eddie with the killing of the birds and then they can be hung in the shed or wherever the deed is done surely Will (and Nic) can come along later to do the plucking they dont all have to be there at the same time - so what is all the fuss about.

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  • Message 32

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    Posted by JudithL (U14272244) on Thursday, 9th December 2010

    In the Will and Ed feud, Emma is more to blame than either, I think. She married Will knowing that she wasn't sure, and then tried to take his son out of the country with Ed.

    But I do think that it's time that someone brought the brothers together. We have marriage guidance, what we need is sibling guidance. It may make for good drama, but I don't believe that those two would still be spitting tacks at each other after all this time.
    And I agree, they don't have to speak to each other while they kill or pluck the turkeys. It's just another excuse for Will to show how immature he is.
    I was sorry for him when Emma left him, but he needs to grow up. An immature teenager with a gun is scary.

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  • Message 33

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    Posted by dickie (U2267358) on Thursday, 9th December 2010

    Joining this discussion late, my sympathies are more with Msg 3 than the opening post.

    However, no-one has remarked that this was all Eddie's fault: he was using the wheedling tone of voice he employs when being devious to Clarrie and was not telling Will the whole truth.

    Why not: "I know how you feel about Edward at present, son, but we all have to pull together and he will also be helping. Will that be OK?"

    As it was, I suspect that Will felt that he had been misled. In Will's position, I am sure that I would have reacted in exactly the same way.

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  • Message 34

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    Posted by Sallyruth (U14589711) on Thursday, 9th December 2010

    So, did he say to Ed, "Son, I know he tried to kill you, but we all have to pull together and he will also be helping. Will that be OK?"

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  • Message 35

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    Posted by JudithL (U14272244) on Thursday, 9th December 2010

    Ed seems to adopt a much more Live and let live attitude. Will, on the other hand, is always looking for an offence that he can take.
    He reminds me of kids in school who will say, "Miss, he's looking at me! Tell him!"

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  • Message 36

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    Posted by Auntie Molly (U14110968) on Thursday, 9th December 2010

    No matter how much sympathy you have with will he has a serious problem that he needs to deal with and i think the pro Will people need to actually accept how out of touch with reality he is 

    If anything it’s Eddie and Clarrie who are completely out of touch with reality, expecting Will to play nicely with Ed after all that happened. They seem to be totally unable to get inside Will’s head and actually empathise with him, unlike Nic.

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  • Message 37

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    Posted by loveinamist (U2258936) on Thursday, 9th December 2010

    I'd be a bit more sympathetic towards Will if he extended his hated to Emma as well, but it seems he's OK with her and reserves his bile for Edward alone. I know he doesn't know the truth about Emma doing 90% of the running, or about some of the awful things Emma said after the breakup - "We wouldn't need the DNA test if Will weren't being so difficult" etc., but even so he blames Emma not at all and Edward totally.

    However, I long to ask silly twittery Clarrieluv (oooh! Both my boys!) how soon she would forgive her sister if said sister had had an affair with Eddie, run off with him and taken the boys and had also tried to take said boys somewhere where Clarrie may never see them again or even know where they were.

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  • Message 38

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    Posted by SredniVashtar07 (U9755761) on Thursday, 9th December 2010

    A selfish nasty small minded mean spirited wearisome little twerp - Will never fails to fall a little lower everytime he is offered a chance to be a better man....

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  • Message 39

    , in reply to message 29.

    Posted by Alimar (U14545724) on Thursday, 9th December 2010

    I'm with you there, FL - the Americans are very much into their cosmetic dentistry - when me and the late Mr M were living there, he was having bridgework done (which he needed) and I was having two crowns put in (which I needed, having made the mistake of (a) putting a Babe Ruth bar in the fridge to stop it melting in the summer and (b) chewing a stainless steel pen - not very bright I guess!) - sitting in the dentist's chair having the moulds done (a bit like gargling with mud) I was treated to an advert for veneers! Why? I didn't really think they were necessary, but as a mere Brit, what did I know?

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