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  • Message 1. 

    Posted by charmingAnnielynn (U11952070) on Tuesday, 28th August 2012

    Personally, I don't think it's really any of her business. Kenton and Mel's relationship issues, 15 years ago, is not something that she should let impact her own relationship with him today. It's a very long time (people change a bit over the decades), and when Mel says Kenton "forced" her to have an abortion, I doubt he frogmarched her down to the doctor's office and tied her down. She may have felt backed into a corner, and he may have said "it's the baby or me", but she had a part in that decision, too.
    And since Jolene is the woman who had her ex-and-father-of-her-child living with her for a few months last year, I would expect her of all people to be a bit understanding in realizing that sometimes people have histories, and you can't just erase that, you need to accept that they're there, and trust your other half when they're around their ex.

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    Posted by flameofthewest (U14483084) on Tuesday, 28th August 2012

    And since Jolene is the woman who had her ex-and-father-of-her-child living with her for a few months last year, I would expect her of all people to be a bit understanding 
    You would hope so, and Jolene might feel like that if she was at home. However, she is well out of her comfort zone in a strange country, where she has been made to feel left out (however inadvertently) and, in the case of her visit to Lucy, positively unwelcome. People don't always behave rationally in such circumstances.

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    Posted by charmingAnnielynn (U11952070) on Tuesday, 28th August 2012

    At least Jolene can be confident that Kenton and Mel aren't sneaking off to get TOO cozy together - it doesn't sound like they'd have a chance on that tiny little boat together!

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    Posted by Minihohum (U14070767) on Tuesday, 28th August 2012

    I think they laid it on pretty thickly that the adults don't usually wear lifejackets on board the yacht. There's got to be a reason for this. It's like Chekhov and the revolver on the mantelpiece all over again.

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    Posted by flameofthewest (U14483084) on Tuesday, 28th August 2012

    She may have felt backed into a corner, and he may have said "it's the baby or me", 
    I'm not a great fan of Kenton, but emotionally blackmailing someone like this doesn't sound like the sort of thing he would do. "He put me in a position where I felt I had no choice but to have an abortion", presumably by disappearing suddenly back to the UK leaving her pregnant, with a small child and huge debts, seems more likely. Though if this was the case, it's still a pretty despicable thing to do in my book.

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    Posted by flameofthewest (U14483084) on Tuesday, 28th August 2012

    Oh, and I forgot to say, I think it is Jolene's business. I know people can change, but they don't necessarily, and she needs to be confident that if the going were to get tough in the future (if she were to develop a serious chronic illness for example), he wouldn't do the same disappearing trick again. Confronting him might not be the best approach, but it's something they should discuss.

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    Posted by Sturmey Archer (U2328688) on Wednesday, 29th August 2012

    adults don't usually wear lifejackets on board the yacht 

    Well, on all the sailing trips I've done (lots of cruising the Spanish Main, and at least one trans-Atlantic), the rule is when top-side, everybody fastens on to the life-line, particularly at night, or in rough weather. As to life-jackets, if you fall overboard when you're on The Ocean (or "blue-water cruising"), a life jacket isn't going to help you very much apart from the fact it might be fitted with an EPIRB¹; well, it might keep you afloat, but unless you get picked up, you've basically had it!

    - sa

    ¹ EPIRBs (emergency position-indicating radio beacons) signal maritime distress: en.wikipedia.org/wik...

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    Posted by Athena Ergane (U14927530) on Wednesday, 29th August 2012

    She may have felt backed into a corner, and he may have said "it's the baby or me", 
    I'm not a great fan of Kenton, but emotionally blackmailing someone like this doesn't sound like the sort of thing he would do. "He put me in a position where I felt I had no choice but to have an abortion", presumably by disappearing suddenly back to the UK leaving her pregnant, with a small child and huge debts, seems more likely. Though if this was the case, it's still a pretty despicable thing to do in my book. 
    I would agree. Kenton has always seemed more of a duck-and-run type, not the sort to 'force' anyone to do anything.

    Oh and of course he always has a version of the story where 'it wasn't his fault and he had no option but to act as he did'

    Dumping her and leaving her with no choice - that's Kenton.

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    Posted by PhyllisDoris (U2224329) on Wednesday, 29th August 2012

    ...she needs to be confident that if the going were to get tough in the future (if she were to develop a serious chronic illness for example), he wouldn't do the same disappearing trick again.  

    How could Jolene possibly be confident that Kenton is in it for the long haul, whatever he might say. She knows that he walked out on two previous relationships.
    If she doesn't already know him pretty well for what he is (and isn't) then she's a fool.

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    Posted by Mustafa Grumble (U8596785) on Wednesday, 29th August 2012

    She knows that he walked out on two previous relationships. 
    He walked out on Mel, or so we are given to believe, but who was the other one? Kathy's behaviour, not Kenton's, ended that relationship (the relationship had been consigned to history long before the one night stand). Other than Kathy and Jolene I'm struggling to recall any other proper relationships Kenton has had since his return to TA - was there someone before Kathy?

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  • Message 11

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    Posted by PhyllisDoris (U2224329) on Wednesday, 29th August 2012

    Well, yes, Kathy was jolly hard work towards the end of that relationship - but Kenton never did put much effort into it, at any time, and he wasn't there when she needed him most. Jolene knows that.

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  • Message 12

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    Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Wednesday, 29th August 2012

    Well, yes, Kathy was jolly hard work towards the end of that relationship - but Kenton never did put much effort into it, at any time, and he wasn't there when she needed him most 

    As I recall Kenton always WAS available if Kathy would accept his help.

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  • Message 13

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    Posted by Lakey_Hill (U14391672) on Wednesday, 29th August 2012

    How about when Meriel came over, and he left Kathy to look after her? Or when he was so obsessed with Jaxx2 that he took Jim and ?Don along on their special dinner, for "research"? Or when Jamie needed a stabilising influence, and Kenton was staying late at the wine bar, and picking up Holly/going off with her when he was supposed to be spending time with Jamie? Or getting drunk and assaulting her boss at the Golf Club?

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    Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Wednesday, 29th August 2012

    How about when Meriel came over, and he left Kathy to look after her? 

    What should ha have done?

    Or when he was so obsessed with Jaxx2 

    Working hard

    Or when Jamie needed a stabilising influence, and Kenton was staying late at the wine bar, and picking up Holly/going off with her when he was supposed to be spending time with Jamie? 

    "supposed to be" sez who? IIRC he tried to help as much as he was let. You can hardly begrudge him a bonk when Kathy was not providing (though I would prefer celibacy to Kathy)

    Or getting drunk and assaulting her boss at the Golf Club? 

    Probably deserved it?

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  • Message 15

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    Posted by Lakey_Hill (U14391672) on Wednesday, 29th August 2012

    Kenton can always find time off for things that he wants to do, and he should have done for his daughter. Why should Kathy, who also had a job, have to take time to look after someone else's child? If Kathy should look after Kenton's child because she is his partner, why shouldn't Kenton look after Kathy's child?

    He was obsessed with Jaxx2. There wasn't any need for him to spend quite so much time and effort on it. He could surely have taken the odd night off to make Kathy feel that she was still wanted, especially when he had promised her some time just for them. I think that he basically rather enjoyed what he was calling research - a good excuse to go out and have some fun.

    Does everyone who gets hit deserve it? I don't think so, particularly when the hitter is drunk at the time.

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    Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Wednesday, 29th August 2012

    In reply to Lakey_Hill:

    Kenton can always find time off for things that he wants to do, and he should have done for his daughter. Why should Kathy, who also had a job, have to take time to look after someone else's child? If Kathy should look after Kenton's child because she is his partner, why shouldn't Kenton look after Kathy's child? 


    Just realised I misunderstood your post.

    I took "left Kathy" meaning he ignored Kathy to spend time with Merrhell.

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  • Message 17

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    Posted by Mustafa Grumble (U8596785) on Wednesday, 29th August 2012

    Kenton's general behaviour leading up to their split was /generally/ beyond reproach.

    Kathy was utterly absurd over Sid's death - good grief, they'd divorced 11 years previously! To expect Kenton to drop everything just as Jaxx was due to open simply so she could indulge her self-pitying wail-fest in NZ was ludicrous.

    So Kenton was obsessed with the changes being made to Jaxx. So what? When someone is starting up a new business, or making massive changes to an existing business, they are often obsessed with it. Kathy knew what Kenton was like, and knew how easily he obsessed over things.

    Kathy pushed Kenton away at every opportunity, despite him having been a splendid father figure to and friend of Jamie. She had already pretty much broken their relationship when he ended up with that one-night stand at Jaxx, and then had the gall to blame /him/ for everything that happened.

    Utterly ghastly woman. Whoever it was on this board who first described her as a Dementor was spot-on.

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  • Message 18

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    Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Wednesday, 29th August 2012

    Spot on Musty.

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  • Message 19

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    Posted by Lakey_Hill (U14391672) on Wednesday, 29th August 2012

    I disagree that Kenton was a good father figure for Jamie. Best mate, yes, maybe, but he didn't act as a father. Any discipline that was needed had to come from Kathy, like over the Facebook page.

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    Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Wednesday, 29th August 2012

    In reply to Lakey_Hill:

    I disagree that Kenton was a good father figure for Jamie. Best mate, yes, maybe, but he didn't act as a father. Any discipline that was needed had to come from Kathy, like over the Facebook page. 


    I seem to recall stern words too.

    Kathy probably did not let him give the little brat the thrashing he needed.

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  • Message 21

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    Posted by Mustafa Grumble (U8596785) on Wednesday, 29th August 2012

    Which was only right and fitting, Lakey, since it had been agreed long before that Kenton was not there to replace Sid, he was not there to be a surrogate, adoptive or step father. While he was an adult male role model to whom Jamie found he could relate and from whom ask advice, and with whom he could horse around & play silly wotsits, Kenton was not Substitute Sid - and Kathy expressly did not want that until it was too late and she had already rejected Kenton, pushing him away just when that close relationship Kenton had had with Jamie would have been most useful.

    I imagine that as you approach Kathy's front door the colour drains from the outside world, the temperature falls a few degrees, and the birds fall silent,

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  • Message 22

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    Posted by joe (U13868420) on Wednesday, 29th August 2012

    Significantly it was to Kenton that Jamie turned when Steve and Marty crashed the stolen car. He clearly didn't feel comfortable broaching the subject with his mother.

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  • Message 23

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    Posted by joe (U13868420) on Wednesday, 29th August 2012

    It's like Chekhov and the revolver on the mantelpiece all over again.  Except that the SWs must have a veritable arsenal over the fireplace by this stage. All unused.

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    Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Wednesday, 29th August 2012

    I imagine that as you approach Kathy's front door the colour drains from the outside world, the temperature falls a few degrees, and the birds fall silent, 


    Like the start of an episode of Wallander?


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  • Message 25

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    Posted by Minihohum (U14070767) on Thursday, 30th August 2012

    I imagine that as you approach Kathy's front door the colour drains from the outside world, the temperature falls a few degrees, and the birds fall silent, 


    Like the start of an episode of Wallander?


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    And from somewhere far away, Ane Brun starts to sing in that peculiar way that makes it sound as if she's recovering from Post Traumatric Stress Disorder...

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  • Message 26

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    Posted by barwick_green (U2668006) on Tuesday, 4th September 2012

    adults don't usually wear lifejackets on board the yacht 

    Well, on all the sailing trips I've done (lots of cruising the Spanish Main, and at least one trans-Atlantic), the rule is when top-side, everybody fastens on to the life-line, particularly at night, or in rough weather. As to life-jackets, if you fall overboard when you're on The Ocean (or "blue-water cruising"), a life jacket isn't going to help you very much apart from the fact it might be fitted with an EPIRB¹; well, it might keep you afloat, but unless you get picked up, you've basically had it!

    - sa

    ¹ EPIRBs (emergency position-indicating radio beacons) signal maritime distress: en.wikipedia.org/wik... 
    "the Spanish Main"...now there's a phrase I have't heard since reading Treasure Island. Were there any pirates when you sailed it?

    I have just Wiki'd it and now know that it;s pretty much the coastline that in that area that separates north and south America. Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum!


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  • Message 27

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    Posted by barwick_green (U2668006) on Tuesday, 4th September 2012

    < Kathy was utterly absurd over Sid's death - good grief, they'd divorced 11 years previously! To expect Kenton to drop everything just as Jaxx was due to open simply so she could indulge her self-pitying wail-fest in NZ was ludicrous. >


    Well said MG. It was never explained why the Dementor took the death of long divorced homophobic (Hell mend you Perks!) ex-husband so badly she went from being dull and dowdy to depressed and demented. Sid the anti-sodimist committed adultery with DD cup Doreen and had lied to her for months making pathetic excuses to meet up/cover up his sordid liaisons.

    Thinking about Doreen's duplicitous role in stealing another woman's husband it ill behoves her to judge Kenton in the way she currently is; glass houses and all that.

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    Posted by Lyra (U2293272) on Tuesday, 4th September 2012

    Yes, I could never understand her attitude. I can see that the death of ex-husband might be occasion for reflection and regret, and mourning for the good times (assuming there were any good times for Sid and Kathy and I have to say I'm struggling to remember them now), but Kathy seemed to see it as a competition with Jolene in the grief stakes.

    And yes, I hadn't thought of that, but Jolene probably isn't in a osition to judge Kenton. Won't stop her though.

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  • Message 29

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    Posted by Sturmey Archer (U2328688) on Tuesday, 4th September 2012

    Were there any pirates when you sailed it? 

    Arrrr, well, Matey! There be lots of Pirates on The Spanish Main (mostly from Barcelona), and I daresay supplementing their niggardly wages as waiters in seedy boarding houses by a spot of the ol' freebootin' in The Caribbee. Oi must zay ow much oi misses the loife on the hoshun wave (as Bert Froi wud say, orlthough oi expects 'ee'd zay it in rhymnining cuplettes¹).

    Well, oi can't zpend too much toime jawinf wiv you as oi ave zum keel 'orling to do afore fornoon wotch, zo oi'll wish yew orl gud day, me 'arties, and fair winds and arl that norticul stuff!

    - sa (arrrrrr!)

    ¹ small cups (34A or B?)

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