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  • Message 181. 

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    Posted by Burgate (U13829366) on ,

    Wed, 06 Oct 2010 18:39 GMT, in reply to _ShropshireLad_ in message 180

    I'm with you SL, I can mentally filter out the smileys but I can't mentally improve the font or layout.

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  • Message 182

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    Posted by Spartacus (U38364) on ,

    Wed, 06 Oct 2010 18:42 GMT, in reply to Willber G Force in message 181

    I can't mentally improve the font or layout. 

    The BBC have, though, inasmuch as their claims to have improved both the font and layout expose them as mental.

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  • Message 183

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    Posted by SussexCornflower InTheFinalCountdown (U13833966) on ,

    But we're still going to be mustard-coloured aren't we? So it won't look quite as pale and insignificant as the other boards.

    I agree the font is smaller but I increase the whole page size on my laptop which helps. Will it still be black print on white background?


    I do agree that the smileys and other faces etc. are a bit irritating: they seem to litter the page and break up the flow of the words and the thread.

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  • Wed, 06 Oct 2010 19:06 GMT, in reply to Peet (the Pedantic Punctuation Policeman, Muse of Lateral Programming Ideas, Eggcup & Spoonswinner, Cheese Namer & Zaphodista) in message 182

    ... improved both the font and layout  

    The font imo is in too small a pitch. Plus imvho there's something not right with both the leading and, possibly to a lesser extent, the kerning.

    The new word I learned yesterday (ever the last to know, me), and then later found its correct form, is Verschlimmbesserung and whoever decided to be cute with both the line height and the font compression in the new layout may know the technicalities of how to do it, but doesn't really know what they're doing or, worse, why they're doing it. But it'll look good on their CV, to have been involved in such a prestigious project, so hey ho.

    Tayler, I haven't noticed it upthread, but is it going to be possible for you to give us some notice before this calamity is imposed on us, please? Just so that we have time to assemble smelling salts, rant rugs, medicinal brandy, padded jackets with tastefully matching padded cells, and so on ... thanks!

    "We're hoping to re-launch this board with a new look later on today", and then legging it, seems out of keeping with the style of the ML Host ;-)

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  • Message 185

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    Posted by dean volecape (U1477030) on ,

    The thread linked to is terrible - not just brightly coloured smileys, but every second post has a different coloured background - no continuity at all. I will not be able to read threads if they are like that.

    My options will be seing is there a 'text only' option, or going to another board [that may be the ultimate intention of this redesign].

    I do wonder at the legality of a site built with public money deliberately limiting its accessibility in this way - it infringes every guideline document I've ever seen.

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  • Message 186

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    Posted by studioj (U1600165) on ,

    Wed, 06 Oct 2010 19:18 GMT, in reply to kk

    <Plus imvho there's something not right with both the leading>

    I agree apart from the "imvho" - your (and all users') opinion is the most important one.

    The problem with the leading is caused by the express setting of line-height:

    p {
    line-height: 1em;
    }

    From the css: www.bbc.co.uk/radio4... (which is riddled with line-height tweaking, dear god)


    Maybe they're super keen on getting it to look good on a smart-phone (and sod the rest of the users).

    jont {;ги >иии{

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  • Message 187

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    Posted by TooManyPosts (U2440869) on ,

    In reply to studioj in message 186

    Jont, got a paypal account? :)

    www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mb...

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  • Message 188

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    Posted by Tayler Cresswell (U14232848) on ,


    Tayler, I haven't noticed it upthread, but is it going to be possible for you to give us some notice before this calamity is imposed on us, please? Just so that we have time to assemble smelling salts, rant rugs, medicinal brandy, padded jackets with tastefully matching padded cells, and so on ... thanks!

    "We're hoping to re-launch this board with a new look later on today", and then legging it, seems out of keeping with the style of the ML Host  

    Hi kk

    I have passed on the extra messages/pleas about the leading/kerning.

    And as soon as I have a date, I'll let you know - I'll stock up on tea and brandy ;)

    Tayler

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  • Message 189

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    Posted by Prabhakari (U2255747) on ,

    I have noticed one thing about smilies.

    If one is placed in a sentence, it forces the line-spacing apart, because the smily is much bigger.

    So, they could be used like bullet points, at the beginning of each sentence, to improve the spacing between lines.

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  • Message 190

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    Posted by Achilles Grytpype-Thynne (U2328687) on ,

    Wed, 06 Oct 2010 23:24 GMT, in reply to studioj in message 186

    Hi jont,

    Are you thinking about a new script? I have done a tiny bit of work...

    Cheers
    Achilles

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  • Message 191

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    Posted by Burgate (U13829366) on ,

    Thu, 07 Oct 2010 00:05 GMT, in reply to Achilles Grytpype-Thynne in message 190

    <crosses fingers>

    I too would support the Paypal idea mentioned upthread.

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  • Message 192

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    Posted by John99 (U13871221) on ,

    Glad you atre still trying to keep us informed about ewhat is happening. And as soon as I have a date, I'll let you know - I'll stock up on tea and brandy ;-)

    Tayler 


    The Internet Blog was predicting all boards will have been changed by the end of this month, but also said it would depend on the Hosts resources, maybe if you postpone the tea and brandy orders you can delay change due to a lack of resources untill after the Christmas period, by which time maybe the bugs will have been sorted out.

    David Williams | 17:20 UK time, Tuesday, 14 September 2010
    I'm the current Product Manager for the technical team delivering BBC messageboards.

    <wrote on 17 Sep> - my team isn't setting the schedule - we're here to support the migration, the hosts/owners of each board will schedule the transition as they can get the resource. As Jem mentioned above The Archers board will be migrating soon. The tools I outlined in the blog post are designed to make this as straightforward as possible. { link - www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/... ]
     

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  • Message 193

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    Posted by studioj (U1600165) on ,

    Thu, 07 Oct 2010 00:51 GMT, in reply to Achilles Grytpype-Thynne in message 190

    Hi Achilles, I hope you are well.

    Yes, I have been /thinking/ about it... but only a little bit as I have other calls on my time just at this moment.

    As mentioned here or elsethread:
    - I don't doubt that I won't be able to help myself do something eventually
    - I hadn't really intended doing much until /these/ boards had been truly shat on, 'cos:
    -- a) this is my primary "home" and I'd rather prefer to experience the newer format (once it's settled) to see what's what, what's possible and what's not
    -- b) it'd be beneficial having access to a selection of different boards in the newer format (spit) before attempting a generalised solution
    - I have other calls on my time in the immediate future (at least until next week)


    In addition, my old machine has finally died the death tonight. I had previously managed to copy all the data over to my new machine but it's all just sitting in a directory (of subdirectories, of pseudo-disks). Amongst that lot somewhere is the Google AppEngine (Eclipse) project which is the main publishing mechanism at the moment. I've not yet even attempted to re-open that project as I am debating whether to change the name of the project itself (currently "Guestbook", D'oh!) and/or incorporate it into the more uptodate AppEngine SDK that is on this new machine (along with Galileo).

    Also, I have not yet attempted to find out if my Outlook contacts are retrievable or whether I've lost them all (and emails) - so you may need to bounce me an email so's I have your addy again.

    I have been intending getting in touch with you - but as I say I have other things sapping my time right now and hadn't intended any full scale attack until the situation was desperate (ie: these boards changed).

    jont {;ги >иии{

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  • Message 194

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    Posted by Achilles Grytpype-Thynne (U2328687) on ,

    Thu, 07 Oct 2010 02:54 GMT, in reply to studioj in message 193

    The owl has flown...

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  • Message 195

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    Posted by Smilie Minogue (U8747614) on ,

    Ooh er, I've just taken my glasses off before heading home-had a look at the font on the food boards (sans specs). Yep, that IS squished. NOT good. Surely accessibility has to be considered?? 

    I can't read it very well even with my glasses on, Sparrows!

    Definitely an accessibility issue, I would have thought.

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  • Message 196

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    Posted by cricket-Angel Tucker (U3382697) on ,

    Bizarre, isn't it?

    If *we* can all see that the new font is not as readable as this one, did no one at the Beeb notice? Did they not test it first? Do they not realise that their messageboards serve a wide demographic which includes pretty much all ages and sight problems??

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  • Message 197

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    Posted by SussexCornflower InTheFinalCountdown (U13833966) on ,

    I wonder if they actually "use" it at all in the way that we do. Let alone think about specific problems that many board members may have.

    The promise I would like from the BBC is that once the new board is up and running they will actually listen to genuine feedback from us so that in (say) 6 months time that feedback can be analysed and acted upon.

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  • Message 198

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    Posted by JoinedPeetsBoard_Smeesues_too (U14519481) on ,


    The promise I would like from the BBC is that once the new board is up and running they will actually listen to genuine feedback from us so that in (say) 6 months time that feedback can be analysed and acted upon.
     

    My point previously was why didn't they confer with us *before* they embarked on this project. Show us a few mock-ups/screen-shots.

    And we still haven't heard if the new look fits in with the accessibility guidelines. Size and type of font is part of this as well as layout
    jps

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  • Message 199

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    Posted by Mustafa Grumble (U8596785) on ,

    Thu, 07 Oct 2010 09:14 GMT, in reply to Willber G Force in message 191
    Thu, 07 Oct 2010 00:05 GMT, in reply to Achilles Grytpype-Thynne in message 190

    <crosses fingers>

    I too would support the Paypal idea mentioned upthread. 

    Add me to the list. In particular I find the ability to class threads under the 1,2,3,4 system utterly invaluable.

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  • Message 200

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    Posted by John99 (U13871221) on ,

    No one afaik from the BBC has mentioned why the new look is so squashed up with so much wasted space.
    Maybe they're super keen on getting it to look good on a smart-phone (and sod the rest of the users).

    jont {;ги >иии{
    {msg#186] 

    I was wondering if the change had anything to do with advertising.

    Presumably the additional space on news pages is used for advertising to overseas users. Is the same happening with messageboards.

    Maybe the BBC is thinking ahead to using messageboards on 'youview' with advertising.
    A new free-to-air, web-connected TV service combining Freeview digital channels with on-demand content such as iPlayer will launch in the UK in 2011.

    YouView - formerly known as Project Canvas - is a partnership between BT, the BBC, ITV, Five, Channel 4, Arqiva and TalkTalk. {www.bbc.co.uk/news/t... ]  

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