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Message 1 - posted by BBC Sport (U3702819) , Aug 23, 2006

Who believes players should be punished/reprimanded for demanding a move from a club when they are tied to a contract?

With Reyes reportedly telling all who will listen that he wants to go to Real Madrid and now Owen Hargreaves reportedly holding a press conference to explain why he wants out its becoming a bit of a joke.

Should they not just put a transfer request in and sit back until another club bids for them and the contracted club agree to sell? No one holds a gun to their heads when they sign these lucrative contracts and there is a process in place for when they want to leave and that should be used. I for one am sick and tied of players moaning when they are paid to do a job and they should just get on and do it.

Opinions please……


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Message 2 - posted by Sir Les to be knighted (U3900091) , Aug 23, 2006

Not sure what a punishment would be but I agree that these players are hardly being tactful about their desires to leave.

If they have any inkling that they might not want to stay with their club for the duration of their contract, they should have thought about putting a minimum fee release clause in their contracts.

This would eradicate any form of unsettling by clubs and unsettled players because any interest in a player should lead to a bid or nothing at all.

Admittedly the contracting clubs may not be keen but if they want a player for four or five years they should be prepared to compromise in this way as part of a footballers career involves moving clubs.

Football players are hardly the most loyal bunch, perhaps it's time everyone admitted and accepted it.

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Message 3 - posted by Shadowfax (U2207781) , Aug 23, 2006

No opinions then. I'll get my coat......

And please take me out of pre-mod. I have e-mailed four times and have had no response.

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Message 4 - posted by redtc_7 (U4872401) , Aug 23, 2006

sure but malbranque at fulham wants to see out his contract and he is being punished for not wanting to leave because he wants a free next summer. coleman has said that he will never allow malbranque to play for fulham again, so in this case fulham are trying to force the player out of the contract he and they signed so swings and roundabouts really, its not as if clubs are whiter than white.

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Message 5, Aug 23, 2006

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Message 6 - posted by Sir Les to be knighted (U3900091) , Aug 23, 2006

Fulham aren't trying to force him out of his contract, Chris Coleman is willing to listen to offers for Malbranque but obviously none have come in yet. Steed has said he wants to move clubs and if the manager decides he doesn't want an un-commited player in his squad he is free to leave him out.

I'm sure Fulham would rather receive a couple of million and not pay him wages for a year, rather than pay him for a year to play in the reserves then let him go for nothing. A sale would suit both parties, but my point is that if Steed knew he wouldn't want to be at Fulham for a certain number of years, why sign such a contract.

I'm sure the club, player and agent have various negotiations in contract talks but I think release clauses are the way forward if the club and player can agree an amount, it's a difficult one granted because the club does not want to lose the player but then players obviously don't want to be tied down.

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Message 7 - posted by redtc_7 (U4872401) , Aug 23, 2006

soupy hoops- fulham have recieved offers and accepted them but malbranque wasnt happy about the level of club or personal terms on offer. malbranque therefore wants to honour his contract and get a free next summer meaning no transfer fee and higher wages. coleman has said he doesnt want players seeing out their contracts and leaving on frees so malbranque can leave now or rot in the reserves. so yes fulham are trying to force him out of the contract and fulham should make the last year of all contracts rolling so that no-one ever gets to their last year if this is how they feel. the funny thing is he is fulhams best player and after watching fulham in the flesh on sunday they sure could do with some quality, coleman is an arrogant man.

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Message 8 - posted by Sir Les to be knighted (U3900091) , Aug 23, 2006

Yeah, that's true, slipped my mind, apologies. Seems to me like Steed must be a fussy bugger! I appreciate that he will have more choice of clubs / wages etc if he waits till the end of his contract.

Your point makes much more sense now, I only think that for Coleman to say he wouldn't play for Fulham again, Steed must have really wound him up by saying something about the club because it seems absurd to not play a player just because they're not going to extend their contract.

I'm sure the board would have something to say too, can't be all Coleman's doing. If it is, then the Fulham board are pretty generous - "You don't want to play our best player Chris? Ok, you're the boss!"

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Message 9 - posted by Chinny1 (U5348123) , Aug 23, 2006

What makes Coleman an arrogant man? From what I can see Steed is holding the club to ransom and Coleman is acting in the clubs bets interests by not giving into him surely?

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Message 10 - posted by Mikel-and-JLo (U5379928) , Aug 23, 2006

The unfolding scene where players are demanding transfers really needs to be looked into. In some cases, players have 3, 4 or more years to run on current contract but will not hesitate to stage a "strike" until they are let go.

It's getting rather ugly, I wonder if contracts have to be rewritten to exclude this possibility within time limits.

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Message 11 - posted by SAFs_Hairdryer (U1487439) , Aug 23, 2006

In every walk of life people want to move on from their current job, usually in search of a better salary and a new challenge. The same goes for footballers.

People sign contracts every day and you usually have to give a period of notice if you want to leave. Footballers can't do that. That is why transfer fees exist to compensate clubs who have usually paid for a footballer's services.

In the case of Owen Hargreaves, he has been there for 9 years, given his all, sat on the bench and not complained. Won all domestic trophies and the CL. If Ballack had signed a new contract, Man Utd would have got Hargreaves for 10m. Sure Bayern want to keep Hargreaves now Ballack has gone, but they wouldn't have been so desperate for Hargreaves to stay if Ballack has stayed.

Reyes has insisted he wants to leave, so has Cole. Just let them go for the right fee. Who wants to keep a player who doesn't want to play for the team?

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Message 12 - posted by Footie_Luvver (U5326887) , Aug 23, 2006

If a player wants to leave and you punish him he'll want to leave more...

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Message 13 - posted by Sir Les to be knighted (U3900091) , Aug 23, 2006

coatsie - I agree but it is not relevant to compare footballing contracts with regular employment. No-one signs a contract with their company saying that they will work there for 5 years, the process of giving 'notice' is only there because technically regular employment runs on the basis of a 'rolling' contract of sorts, as in, if you want to move on next month you can.

I know you were just making a point about an indivual's career but the difference in contract terms means it is futile to refer to regular employment contracts when looking at this problem in the football world.

That's why I think football contracts should now be thought out with the lack of loyalty and future career paths of players in mind - hence include release clauses that another club could invoke if they really wanted a particular player and that player wanted a move.

If Hargreaves 'would love to play in England for a Champion's League club one day' why didn't he stipulate any clauses in his mega 5-year contract with Bayern. Now he's causing a fuss just because Man Utd are interested. He should put up and shut up I reckon, honour his contract unless Bayern accept a fee.

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Message 14 - posted by Shadowfax (U2207781) , Aug 23, 2006

I'm not saying the system is right but those are the rules at the moment. If players are unhappy then like me they have a union who on their behalf fight for a rule change.
You dont hear players moan when they sign a long contract to get that extra trillion pound a week, they only start moaning when they hear another club will offer them yet more.



In every walk of life people want to move on from their current job, usually in search of a better salary and a new challenge. The same goes for footballers.

People sign contracts every day and you usually have to give a period of notice if you want to leave. Footballers can't do that. That is why transfer fees exist to compensate clubs who have usually paid for a footballer's services.

In the case of Owen Hargreaves, he has been there for 9 years, given his all, sat on the bench and not complained. Won all domestic trophies and the CL. If Ballack had signed a new contract, Man Utd would have got Hargreaves for 10m. Sure Bayern want to keep Hargreaves now Ballack has gone, but they wouldn't have been so desperate for Hargreaves to stay if Ballack has stayed.

Reyes has insisted he wants to leave, so has Cole. Just let them go for the right fee. Who wants to keep a player who doesn't want to play for the team?


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Message 15 - posted by Shadowfax (U2207781) , Aug 23, 2006

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If Hargreaves 'would love to play in England for a Champion's League club one day' why didn't he stipulate any clauses in his mega 5-year contract with Bayern. Now he's causing a fuss just because Man Utd are interested. He should put up and shut up I reckon, honour his contract unless Bayern accept a fee.

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Message 16 - posted by redmarzi (U5106059) , Aug 23, 2006

The reality is, (and this is only my humble opinion) nowadays we should compare players contracts with any other type of contract. Football has evolved. It isn't like the "good old days" when players stick with one club. There are many other lucrative contracts which exist in this world which, by EU legislation, are unable to tie down an employee should they want to leave. The reason football players get a 5 year contract (for example) benefits both club and player - they can see how much they player is to expected to earn over lengthy period of time (and hence how much the club is likely to pay out). But to tie anyone down for 5 years is just nonsense. Any person can get out of any contract in any walk of life. To force a person to stay at any company, whether it be a telecommunications company, a cleaning company or a football club, contravenes EU legislation regarding freedom of movement. That's my humble opinion, anyway. Or maybe i'm just a tad bitter because I really want Hargreaves to sign!

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Message 17 - posted by silentbutviolent (U5340020) , Aug 23, 2006

Didn't OH sign he contract only in the last year or so.

I hope Bayern force him to honour his contract, if he got injured I don't think Man U would still want him.

And pay his wages, like Bayern have too

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Message 18 - posted by U1931945 (U1931945) , Aug 23, 2006

This is nowt to do with football but how do you know that you are in pre-mod, do you get an email?

Just curious

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And please take me out of pre-mod. I have e-mailed four times and have had no response

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Message 19 - posted by Alan's Green With Envy (U1690076) , Aug 23, 2006

Message posted by Shadowfax

And please take me out of pre-mod. I have e-mailed four times and have had no response.

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Your whining seems very familiar, you a Utd fan by any chance, Shadowfax?

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Message 20 - posted by Shadowfax (U2207781) , Aug 23, 2006

No no and no.

But i've been put in pre-mod. I had one post removed that did i admit break the rules and then the next time i went to put a message on this apeared:-Please note: Your Postings are being pre-moderated and will only appear after they have been approved by a Moderator.

Sill not been toild why. <Grr>

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