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Bathwomble asks if Zidane's dismissal sets a precedent for using video replays for decisions

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Message 1 - posted by 606 Sport Hosts (U3702819) , Jul 10, 2006

Video replays now a rule in football!

With 10 minutes to go in the World Cup final, FIFA has effectively introduced video replays as a rule in football. What madness is this? It was obvious the referee and linesmen didn't see the offence by Zidane and that means they CAN'T send him off! Video evidence and observations from other officials cannot be considered until after the game. Those WERE the rules, but in supposedly the most important game of football in the world the rules are not just bent but broken. Otherwise we would have had the appalling sight of a man who committed a blatant headbutt possibly taking a penalty to win the World Cup - now how bad would that have been?

As the rules stand, if the officials didn't see the offence, Zidane should have stayed on. Whatever we think of his actions the officials have got this wrong - and maybe it just shows how unsatisfactory the rules are. I think FIFA has just effectively set the precedent though - video replays now exist for making decisions DURING a game. Discuss?
       

Message 2 - posted by U3548583 - banned alt id 7 (U3548583) , Jul 10, 2006

This is not the first time video replay was used. Rooney's sending off was also done in this way. Referee was waitning to hear what the decision is on his ear piece and thats why he took time in sending Rooney off. Nothing to do with Ronaldo like primitive people on this forum think.

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Message 3 - posted by 1teamcalledAlbion (U1764163) , Jul 10, 2006

One of the officials saw it-they just bottled the situation IMHO-but were it true taht none saw the event Fifa have just made it up AGAIN as they go along-and as a result are really starting to loose face-as for the video evidence,as you say they have just opened the door.

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Message 4 - posted by TA5 - the new Kanu (U4746212) , Jul 10, 2006

Figo's yellow card vs Holland was the same way too but clearly some miscommunication there.. (there is no way the ref saw Figo's headbut but we got the confusion of the yellow card)

Yep i think Rooney was done by video too.


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Message 5 - posted by ChigwellChas (U1070437) , Jul 10, 2006

But I heard some FIFA bod on the radio this morning claim the fourth official saw the incident with his own eyes, and not from a monitor. Don't know wether to believe that but I s'pose they have to say it for exactly the reasons above.

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Message 6 - posted by sabola13 (U4761077) , Jul 10, 2006

FIFA claimed they didn't use video to send off Zidane.

Guess those referees must have eyes on the back of their heads!

If they used video to send out red card, they should give one to Materazzi for his mis-conduction-- sexual harassment-- squeezed Zidane's nipple!

What is worse? A headbutt or squeeze on the nipple?

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Message 7 - posted by Prints_Charming (U2337662) , Jul 10, 2006

They claim it was the fourth official that made the call for Zidane to be sent off but why was this same procedure not used for Figo?

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Message 8 - posted by Footy Fanatic (U3914442) , Jul 10, 2006

i doubt it, one of the officals must of seen it and thats why it was given

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Message 9 - posted by OLE_LEGEND (U1747875) , Jul 10, 2006

Where was it shown that the linesman didn't see the incident, all 5 officals were in communication with each other therefore there is no need for the officals to come over and talk to each other or for the linesman to raise his flag. In this incident the ref just confirm woth the linesman before issuing the red card. A correct decision.

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Message 10 - posted by Redurn (U3126135) , Jul 10, 2006

The important thing is they made the correct decision. It is proof to me that technology should be used.

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Message 11 - posted by Bizzy_D-kai-cho (U2920401) , Jul 10, 2006

You don't know if to believe that yet you seem to believe the conspiracy theories on this thread.

But I heard some FIFA bod on the radio this morning claim the fourth official saw the incident with his own eyes, and not from a monitor. Don't know wether to believe that but I s'pose they have to say it for exactly the reasons above.

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The ref went over to the linesman who told him what had happened. Seems pretty obvious to me.

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Message 12 - posted by brumsaint (U1751624) , Jul 10, 2006

What is worse? A headbutt or squeeze on the nipple?

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Err, a headbutt.

Obviously

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Message 13 - posted by ChigwellChas (U1070437) , Jul 10, 2006

No I'm not a conspiracy theorist mate, but come off it, do you really believe FIFA is above talkling a little bulls**t when it suits them? The real mystery i'm dying to know is what the hell he said to ZZ?

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Message 14 - posted by BathWomble (U3946839) , Jul 10, 2006

FIFA claims no use of video evidence!

news.bbc.co.uk/sport...

But they ARE saying it was the fourth official that called it. I still think that means they've opened the floodgates.

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Message 15 - posted by Sir Healy (U1888210) , Jul 10, 2006

I think that it's somewhat poetic that a dismal World Cup, in which the beautiful game was smothered by underhand cheating, diving and negative tactics, was concluded by the wild and inexplicable actions of a man who has been the epitomy of the beautiful game over past decade.

As if to say that football has been so badly damaged by this World Cup that even the memory of Zidane, football's great ambassador of skill and talent, has now been tarnished. The moment represented the ultimate indication that football has transcended from an artform into a ugly fracas.

His headbutt was the cherry on the icing of a foul tasting cake. An action to rub salt into the wounds of football enthusiasts such as myself who expected so much from this World Cup but were in the end bitterly disappointed.

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Message 16 - posted by Grokos (U4561937) , Jul 10, 2006

Zidane red card was deserved BUT since when one cans change the rule of a game during an ongoing match. VIDEO evidence in football is forbidden as far I know.
If they used video evidence in order to send Zidane off.
Why didn't they use it to validate Patrick Vieira's header against South Korea (which actually didn't need any Video replay as the ball was one yard behind the line).
Why didn' t they use it to sanction handball in the Penalty box.
Why didn't they use it to validate Trézéguet goal against Togo which wasn't offside and all other disputed mistakes.

Why FIFA are so selective here. Zidane deserved to be sent off but then again those who would like to consider it as loophoole wouldn't be wrong.

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Message 17 - posted by Bizzy_D-kai-cho (U2920401) , Jul 10, 2006

Not really Bath. Its always been the case that the ref can take action based upon what any of the officials see, including the 4th official. Thats the same as it has always been.

But they ARE saying it was the fourth official that called it. I still think that means they've opened the floodgates.

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Message 18 - posted by Brundle Fly (U1720058) , Jul 10, 2006

if it was a video replay the one thing we can say is
it works. Let bring it in!

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Message 19 - posted by Angry BINKEy (U3568471) , Jul 10, 2006

i cant remember which game it was when the referee kept changing his decisions about the corner kicks.it might have been the england game against portugal. Thinking about it , it looks suspicious now.

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Message 20 - posted by tasty (U1739154) , Jul 10, 2006

Sir Healy - you type as though this is the first time that you have encountered such issues. Have you watched other World Cups? Argentina's appalling cynicism in 1990? The Brazilian bores of '94? Zidane and France's ill discipline in 1998? Rivaldo's antics, and atrocious refereeing standards, in 2002?

This WC was no worse, or no better than any others, for cynicism and negativity. The same old issues arise every 4 years - diving, video technology, poor ticket distribution, swerving balls, refereeing quality - and each time they are treated as if they have only just arisen.

I can heartily recommend Pete Davies's book 'All Played Out', about the 1990 WC which demonstrates that the issues that allegedly tarnished this tournament have been around for a long long time.

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