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Message 1 - posted by David McIntyre - BBC Sport (U1628513) , Jul 8, 2006

Ronaldinho

am i the only person who thinks he isnt good and vastly over rated ive been saying it for months but people have made fun of me he plays bad in all of the championsleague including final bad in all of world cup he just never perfoms on the big stage and itll be the same next year

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Message 2 - posted by saudades (U4805932) , Jul 8, 2006

so all you soccer fans and all you weekend warriors watching the cup,
who are really the best in the world? If the 2006 showed us anything
besides bad reffing, it should us that "in-form" players are the ones
that make a difference. So I challenge you to pick the best team out
there from all the players, and I'll pay to enter them into fantasy
league next year. Lets also pick the best team that didnt "show up".
As far as officiating goes, im sick of hearing non-futbol fans bag on
the beautiful game because of bad calls and diving. How can we change
the rules and keep the purity?

I propose that there should be a new rule imposed that allows refs to
call a foul in the box without a penalty. Think about it, the box gets
rough and on every set piece there is shirt pulling, screening the
keeper, and a thousand other fouls. Isnt there a difference between a
game ending PK and a minor but punishable foul? Its a hard job being a
ref, and this might make it easier.

SO:
Certainly there are physical fouls that go down in the box and hurt
skill players, we saw this a lot against ronaldo in 1998. But some of
these fouls are just "hard play" and would never have prevented a
guaranteed score (which a PK should be, all apologies to england).
If an offensive player is fouled in the box I think the ref should
have the discretion to call a PK OR spot up a kick just outside the
area with a wall. Lets face it, if you have juninho, del piero, pirlo,
or even beckham this is a good oppurtunity that wont automatically
change the game. So a tackle from behind on a breakaway or a goalie
tripping the lone striker will result in a deserved PK, but a push
from behind or incidental trip (like Carvalhos) would just give a
great chance to score from set play. This seems like the easiest way
to take refs out of the game and still play it pure and simple.

Best form in the cup (subs):

Zambrotta (Grosso), Cannavaro (Ayala), Terry
(Heinze), Sorin
Ribery (Robben), Zidane (Rosicky), Ze Roberto
(Gattuso), Maxi,
Klose, Crespo (Podolski)

All these players overachieved, except maybe Terry and Sorin b/c they
are always money.

So who didnt show up for the games?
Ronaldinho, Riquelme, Deco, Joe Cole, Xavi, Van Nistelroy, Trezeguet
(not that he had a chance)

Send your opinions BEFORE the final, cause thats when they matter. I
say Italy 2-1 as Gennaro breaks Riberys leg on a tackle and the
classiest forward, del piero, scores on a left footed set play (he
takes em with either foot!)

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Message 3 - posted by Deisler (U2512644) , Jul 8, 2006

thats not true, over the last 2 years he was by a mile the best player on earth

he played a very high level over the 2 years, never seen anything like that before, Zidane played never such a high level in such a long time

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Message 4 - posted by indianfastbowler (U3032110) , Jul 8, 2006

Over rated players :- rooney & lampard

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Message 5 - posted by Barney (U4348357) , Jul 8, 2006

Rooney was overated = had tons of expectations but didn't deliver. People seem to have forgotton that he didn't score any goals during qualification (when he was fit) or the world cup itself.

LOL, and he said he wants to break ronaldo's record for most goals scored <laugh>

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Message 6 - posted by boule_de_cristal (U4806062) , Jul 8, 2006

WHO WILL WIN THE FINAL ?

Hello,

I'm very impressed by all these technical well-advised comments and, since I'm no football expert, I will just give my advice as an "étiquette" observer: Zidane is on his farewell tour and, as the kind man all the great players say he is, he felt his duty to say goodbye to his closest football colleagues: So, he had to ask his team-mates to beat Togo on his own birthday for he wanted to say goodbye to his friend Raul, then beat Spain to be able to greet Ronaldo, Brazil to last meet Figo, and Portugal to shake hands with Del Piero: Finally he must beat Italy to kiss goodbye the beauty he has fancied so long: Ms Coupe-du-Monde herself !

BOULE DE CRISTAL

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Message 7 - posted by Target Man (Siempre Zizou #5 y Figo #10) (U1748541) , Jul 8, 2006

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Message 8 - posted by U4432634 (U4432634) , Jul 8, 2006

Come on mate, how the hell can you say ronaldinho is over rated. Best player in the world, and nobody is even close to his class. You either only watch the big tournaments or have a grudge. You aren't an arsenal supporter are ya? People like this like to compare cole to him. Cole is good but FFS!! <laugh>

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Message 9 - posted by Butterfly Effect (U4718622) , Jul 8, 2006

Saudades,

There's another thread for discussing rule changes!

As for Ronaldhino, he does some wonderful things against regular opponents, but in the Champions League and World Cup, the opponents get better, and get better at stopping him. It doesn't mean he's no good, it just means the opposition is at a similar level.

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Message 10 - posted by U4432634 (U4432634) , Jul 8, 2006

Scolari- sorry mate i disagree. Everyone fades away in some games, a lot of people are basing his skill on the world cup where he played in a different position. I dont think he disappears against big opposition. He is the main man every time barca play chelsea, but then again it is an english team so eventually they will start shitting themselves and start retreating, allowing people like him to show off.

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Message 11 - posted by safedreams (U4764782) , Jul 8, 2006

He was tired.

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Message 12 - posted by U3548583 - banned alt id 7 (U3548583) , Jul 8, 2006

Rooney is the most underrated player there is. Only in England do people thing he is a genious. In the rest of the world we just think he is ordinary.

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Message 13 - posted by U3548583 - banned alt id 7 (U3548583) , Jul 8, 2006

Overrated I meant.

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Message 14 - posted by Butterfly Effect (U4718622) , Jul 8, 2006

Sameoldarsenalawayscheating,

So are you saying Ronaldhino is or isn't over rated? Because I was saying he isn't over rated!

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Message 15 - posted by RedKop (U3726047) , Jul 8, 2006

Whole england and brazil teams overrated.
England need to stop saying 'this is our year' because it piles unnecessery pressure on the players and coaches. Then when we do not live upto the high standards, it breaks us down as a team. Hopefully this world cup was the wakeup call the whole country needs.

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Message 16 - posted by U3548583 - banned alt id 7 (U3548583) , Jul 8, 2006

England need to stop saying 'this is our year' because it piles unnecessery pressure
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They have been saying it for last 40 years and haven't won anything. You'd think they would have learned from first couple of times.

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Message 17 - posted by cheeky_nffc (U2677474) , Jul 8, 2006

a lot of big names haven't performed at this tournament, ronaldinho included.

whilst i guess maybe he is overated by some in as much that he isn't the undisputed best player in the world (there are others that you could argue for), what people tend to forget is that he trains with barcelona on a daily basis, his training schedule will be designed specifically so that he peaks for barca.

a lot of stars have looked a bit jaded at this world cup. the champions league is a higher level of competition, i think the measure of greatness in this day and age is how players perform on that stage

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Message 18 - posted by NFFC1985 (U1867352) , Jul 8, 2006

What other top class football player in this day and age play with a smile on his face and love the sport? Ronaldiniho. He's a perfect role model for kids wanting to play football! He gets to the boundries of football and then takes them further!

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Message 19 - posted by U4432634 (U4432634) , Jul 8, 2006

I meant ronaldinho isnt over or under rated. He IS the best in the world, rooney gerrard c.ronaldo klose zidane henry, all are nowhere near ronaldinhos class. But to say rooney is ordinary is bullshit. Did you not watch euro 2004, any united games (including his debut), or in fact any of his games. Obviously an england hater!!

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Message 20 - posted by ilbirbone (U1678183) , Jul 8, 2006

Sorry Target.

Won't post on the "european board", bit too sanctimonious for my liking. This ain't great but there's a false democracy going on over there (see Power Law Curves).

If you post a lot on the ex-606ers you're a "legend" regardless of whether it has any quality to it. Bit like Frank Lampard's shooting.

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