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Message 1 - posted by David McIntyre - BBC Sport (U1628513) , Sep 21, 2005

There's been a lot of discussion on the boards and in general about falling crowds at Premiership games.

We're putting together an unofficial poll about this and want your views.

Please give us your thoughts on the following:

1. Has the Premiership become boring?

2. Is it too expensive to go to matches?

3. Is there too much Premiership football on TV?

4. Have the players now lost touch with the fans?

and finally:

5. What can be done to bring Premiership football back to the people?
       

Message 2 - posted by Dread Pirate Ali (U1746916) , Sep 21, 2005

There's been a lot of discussion on the boards and in general about falling crowds at Premiership games.

We're putting together an unofficial poll about this and want your views.

Please give us your thoughts on the following:

1. Has the Premiership become boring?

2. Is it too expensive to go to matches?

3. Is there too much Premiership football on TV?

4. Have the players now lost touch with the fans?

and finally:

5. What can be done to bring Premiership football back to the people?

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1. No
2. yes
3. no
4. yes
5. reduce prices for games. not on telly but to get into grounds. what got me into football was going to games with my dad and sister and having a great day out. watching on telly is OK but for the football experience being there is wahts needed.

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Message 3 - posted by Rover-the-Top (U1751589) , Sep 21, 2005

1. Not in my opinion, but there seems to be plenty of people who disagree.
2. Yes. And has been for some time.
3. No. Nobody's forced to watch it, although the kick off times are a nuisance to keep up with from your own team's point of view.
4. Were the players ever in touch with the fans?
5. Who knows? Less media hype promoting the game as something it's not might help, though...

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Message 4 - posted by TantricOpticals (U2008727) , Sep 21, 2005

1. No
2. Yes
3. No - not on terrestial, and if you include Sky there are hundreds of channels so its no problem how much football there is, there is always another channel to watch instead.
4. No - players are often fans as well. However they are susceptible to bigheadedness, as is anyone who finds themselves wealthy and successful at a young age.
5. Drop ticket prices - fans don't have bottomless pockets and the Premiership has expanded too quickly as a business, leaving its main consumer market behind and relying on fan's passion and dedication as 'brand loyalty'. You can see how this strategy works from the number of posts on this board where people constantly berate one another about never having been to Stamford Bridge or Old Trafford, etc - except the ticket prices just became a bit too greedy!

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Message 5 - posted by rich (U1749370) , Sep 21, 2005

Way too much on sky!!!

A ticket at 1 game on average is probably around the 40 quid mark.

For that 40 quid, you can get sky for a month and watch on average about 2-3 games a week. 4 weeks in a month thats up to twelve games!

Should be limited to one game a week. All other games on Sat at 3pm.

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Message 6 - posted by William Shatner's Pants (U1868883) , Sep 21, 2005

1. No, its not boring, but not as exciting as 2 or 3yrs ago when Arsenal and ManU were battling it out.

2. Yes. European tickets are 1/4 of Prem prices.

3. No, not enough in my opinion. Many people are choosing to watch football from home because it is cheaper. Football only available on Sky, not everyone has Sky. Match of the day isn't enough coverage if your a fan of a smaller team like portsmouth or blackburn.

4. No. Some have (Like Rooney), others haven't (Like Shearer)

5. Reuduce ticket prices. More football, such as cup games and Internationals on terrestrial TV like BBC, ITV or Channel 5.

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Message 7 - posted by 1754393 (U1754393) , Sep 21, 2005

1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. Yes
5. Pay on the day, kids under 12 free, cheaper tickets 13-18, cheaper tickets for away fans, bigger allocations for away fans, no more 5.15 or 12.45 kick offs on Saturday. Derbies to be played at 3.00, anyone with a jester hat to be ejected from the ground, ban that music played when a goal is scored

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Message 8 - posted by Is Blué Thé Colour, José (bring back the old 606 boards) (U2048586) , Sep 21, 2005

No

Yes

No

Yes

Reduce players ridiculous wages and pass on the savings to the fans.

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Message 9 - posted by TurkishDelight (U1745910) , Sep 21, 2005


Please give us your thoughts on the following:

1. Has the Premiership become boring?

2. Is it too expensive to go to matches?

3. Is there too much Premiership football on TV?

4. Have the players now lost touch with the fans?

and finally:

5. What can be done to bring Premiership football back to the people?

Quoted message from David McIntyre - BBC Sport




1. Depends on your point of view. In terms of the general standard of matches that are good to watch then no.

What has changed is the subdivision that is now true of the Premiership - previously there was only one or two clubs that could win the championship, but there was variety in those teams challenging, Blackburn, Leeds, Newcastle. Now there are only three teams that can win it and what with the massive amount of money involved the likelihood of this changing will not happen. This has to devalue the product that is the Premiership and makes it a bit boring

2 Undoubtedly

3 No - nothings better than going to matches but if you cant then the telly is a good substitute

4 Yes, not helped by their now massive wages. I dont remember when the amount a player is paid became news - now the papers are full of their deals

5 Cheaper tickets, easier access for fans who want to go to games occasionally, rather than having to make a full season commitment, what about partial season tickets? A travelcard idea where you buy a ticket for 3,6 or 9 matches at a slightly cheaper price?

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Message 10 - posted by Isaac Hunt (WHUFC8) (U1768291) , Sep 21, 2005

1. Not at Upton Park it hasn't smiley

2. Absolutely! This is the only reason for half-empty stadiums.

3. No.

4. Definately. How can somebody earning more in a week than the people that pay their wages do in 3 years have any empathy with them!

5. Cap players wages. Cap transfer fees. Reduce admission fees. Simple.

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Message 11 - posted by puffinus2 (U1755551) , Sep 21, 2005

It;s obvious that TOO MUCH FOOTBALL ON TV is the main cause - Friday night, sometimes 2 games on Saturday, 2 games on Sunday, 1 on Monday then there are the Euro games with 1 on Tuesday, Wednesday & Thursday.
So that is HALF of Prem games live on TV - FAR TOO MANY

Far easier to stay at home and put your feet up or go down the local pub and watch with your mates and a few beers.

I league game a week ONLY and everything else KO at 3pm on Saturday - that is what we need (IMHO)

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Message 12 - posted by Howeowey (U1789833) , Sep 21, 2005

Wenger & Co are kidding themselves if they think fans want to see games with more entertainment. Football is not an objective entertainment the way the theatre is or eating out. It is subjective, so fans will come see a successful team - and that is not the same thing as entertaining.

The Premiership is too boring because it is too predictable. Why, then, should fans pay theatre type prices every week to watch their team, at best, compete for 4th place and below.

Since there is no prospect of capping wages or transfer kitty's, I think that the rewards for finishing high in the PL should be fairer. Perhaps more European places should be made available, so that the top 8 or so are guaranteed a place in Europe. Scrap the Carling Cup (or its European place). And there should be a maximum amount of players allowed to be attached to squads at any one time, with a cap on the number of foreigners in a team (say 5 or 6).

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Message 13 - posted by Traje de luces (TP)™ (U1646417) , Sep 21, 2005

1. Hasn't coming boring altogether but the quality of football is way below what is offered up in Serie A, La Liga and at times the Bundesliga. Before I was a MOTD addict but now I can't be bothered with that programme now.

2. Premiership tickets have always been expensive and people have always paid whatever prices for these tickets. Now they're starting to realise its not value for money. Up the quality of football and the fans will go back and pay £50 per ticket no problem.

3. No.

4. No. Players still give a lot of interviews with newspapers, TV, magazines e.t.c.

5. Easy solution. Tell managers to stop filling their teams with unskilful players like Butt and Neville and try searching the Continent for flair players. A bonus point for teams who scored a lot of goals could also work.

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Message 14 - posted by Stu UTD (U1826939) , Sep 21, 2005

In my view the whole "match day experience" has become boring.

I saw a TV advert the other day showing a gang of lads going to a football match and I thought to myself, "when was the last time I was able to do that".

I remember meeting in town with a huge bunch of lads, getting the train to OT, watching United get beat and absolutely loving the experience. Now I drive down with my son, sit next to some guy I dont know in an atmosphereless ground watching United scrape a 1-0 win against some duffers with 11 men behind the ball having paid a small fortune for the privilege.

I find myself thinking, "just what is the point?"

I know in the light of Hillsborough things had to change but it's swung too far to the family friendly end of sports entertainment. The life has been sucked out of the game.

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Message 15 - posted by rich (U1749370) , Sep 21, 2005

It;s obvious that TOO MUCH FOOTBALL ON TV is the main cause - Friday night, sometimes 2 games on Saturday, 2 games on Sunday, 1 on Monday then there are the Euro games with 1 on Tuesday, Wednesday & Thursday.
So that is HALF of Prem games live on TV - FAR TOO MANY

Far easier to stay at home and put your feet up or go down the local pub and watch with your mates and a few beers.

I league game a week ONLY and everything else KO at 3pm on Saturday - that is what we need (IMHO)

Quoted message from puffinus2




Thank you someone who agrees with me. If someone can watch about 3/4 of Man Utd's season from home then he doesnt need to spend the money to go and watch. If the football is restricted on the tv, then if he wants to go and watch them he will have to go.

Ahhh... but travel and tickets are too expensive. Well there are plenty of other teams about that would love to have some bums on seats. They can move forward, get players in rather than scrimp and scrape and wheel and deal etc.

I am a Cardiff fan, and there are plenty of Liverpool, Arsenal, Man Utd, Chelsea fans around here. Reason being they can watch them on telly. To be honest those clubs dont need them, theres enough local support that could fill all those stadiums. Man Utd only need about 0.0001% of all the billions who support them to fill Old Trafford. I read recently that Chelsea have 3,000,000 supporters in the UK. And yet they cant fill a Champions League game. So its down to ticketing, to pay the players, and to make Abramovich money (he's only in it for that, he couldnt give two shiny sh@ts about Chelsea).

But they need the Sky money to promote themselves for all those no-hopers in India and the Far East who will never travel to the UK to watch a game. It's hurting football globally.

But then, the ticket prices, even here at Cardiff are through the roof. Thats where the players wages and agents fees need to be reduced etc etc

Its a combination of a whole load of problems that are deep rooted, set in stone and will probably be with us for years to come.

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Message 16 - posted by amakhosichief (U2060091) , Sep 21, 2005

1, No, there are boring and exciting games, this all depends on who you support and what you expect.

2, Yes it is expensive, although we need to be careful not to make it so cheap, for instance Dortmund fill their stadium with 70,000 regularly but are failing to break even due to the low cost of tickets.

3, No, but perhaps there should be a better balence of teams represented.

4, Not necesarily, Drogba's reaction to crown criticism against arsenal? Obviously he does care what they think.

5, I dont think anything has to be done necessarily, It is important to remember that we are comming off the back of record crowd numbers, in 1985 the total ave top div attendance was 16 million, it has risen to around 29 million, surely it is inevitable that there will be some sort of plateau especially when combined with a slow down in consumer spending in all areas not just Football/entertainment

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Message 17 - posted by rich (U1749370) , Sep 21, 2005

In my view the whole "match day experience" has become boring.

I saw a TV advert the other day showing a gang of lads going to a football match and I thought to myself, "when was the last time I was able to do that".

I remember meeting in town with a huge bunch of lads, getting the train to OT, watching United get beat and absolutely loving the experience. Now I drive down with my son, sit next to some guy I dont know in an atmosphereless ground watching United scrape a 1-0 win against some duffers with 11 men behind the ball having paid a small fortune for the privilege.

I find myself thinking, "just what is the point?"

I know in the light of Hillsborough things had to change but it's swung too far to the family friendly end of sports entertainment. The life has been sucked out of the game.

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Exactly, we're at Ninian Park at the minute, which even half full has a good atmosphere and the terracing. I really hope we don't move to a new stadium where it'll be flat and dull, just to make Sam Hammam more money and we supposedly get a better team.

I'd rather stay in the Championship or get relegated to keep that life. It's still good at Ninian but it'll be poo if we move.

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Message 18 - posted by 1754393 (U1754393) , Sep 21, 2005

Hi Stu, welcome to my world.

It seems this dire atmosphere is not only at OT but throughout football.

5 shots at goal in 3 games is unbelievable

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Message 19 - posted by Gravedigger (U1716540) , Sep 21, 2005

Hi guys, my family and I (fae Scotland) are going to see Newcastle v Man City (our first premiership attendance.) on Saturday. Their prices shocked us. £47.00 per adult at St James Park. A bit expensive, but we agreed that this will be a one-off. Should be a good day out except the price!

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Message 20 - posted by Tora!Tora!Tora! (U1779710) , Sep 21, 2005

1) Yes, certainly this season with its packed midfields. La Liga is more exciting - they even have fun when they're cheating! Its not even the lack of goals over here, just the predicatability of 4 defenders hoofing the ball 40 yards, 5 midfielders locked in a pointless midfield tussle, and a lone striker hammering the occasional shot into Row Z.

2) For sure

3) For the first time ever I find myself not bothering to watch most of the matches on offer. Maybe its just a mid life crisis??

4) Definitely. Whats worse is its shoved down our throats every day in the press ie Savage and his 50k watch, Rio wanting an extra 20k a week when he's already on a 100k or whatever. Bonkers!!

5) Cap players salaries, Cap Ticket prices, Cap Player Power, Stop Cheating, Stop managers whinging about refs every game, and most of all, Cap the amount clubs can spend on new players each season to try to keep it competetive.

Right, I'm off to Spain where the big boys regularly get a kicking.

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