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Message 1 - posted by Peter Scrivener - BBC Sport (U1644486) , May 30, 2006

Hello,

A big thank you for your patience and loyalty during recent months. As you know, the team have been working hard to work out the best way to move the 606 message boards forward in the future and we are now in a position to share our plans with you.

Changes to 606

The future:
We have identified some principle aims and objectives:

• To provide a richer, more in-depth user experience
• To raise the standard of contributions
• To reduce the amount of ephemeral, low-quality chat
• To make 606 more distinctive
• Raise expectations of users and of content

Next season, the 606 format will change and will feature a number of different types of high-quality content – users can submit match reports, articles, and team/player profiles, as well as debate the latest football.

We also have plans for personal pages for users plus, in time, enhanced privileges for trusted users, members’ journals, and many more. We also want to have better links with the 606 radio show. More details on this as these ideas develop but please tell us here what you want to see too.

We have more immediate plans for the World Cup.

What will we offer during the World Cup?

While we continue to develop a much-improved product for next season we still need to produce a service during the tournament which is more suited to events in Germany.

We’re delighted to say 606 will revert to longer opening hours. Every day during the World Cup we’ll open at 10am and close at 11pm.

There will be three main topics:
• World Cup – for general debate around the tournament
• World Cup city guides - for people to share information about venues and stadiums
• Transfers – for domestic football

We are planning for the new topics to be in place later this week. Many 606 members will be unhappy at the loss of their team’s or division’s topic and we’re especially sorry for those supporters of the teams promoted to the Premiership who are looking forward to having their own board.

However it’s clear to us and to many users of the boards that the structure creates an antagonistic atmosphere that plays into the hands of the “wind-up merchants”. For those of you still seeking a more team-based experience we will continue to allow people to publish links to other sites.

Another major change will be that only hosts will start threads. We hope this will create a better quality of debate and content and avoid off-topic conversations.

We promise there will be no shortage of discussion – with pages for every match, story and all the latest talking points. While users won’t be able to start a thread you will be able to suggest a discussion via a postform on the site and we will publish as many of the high quality suggestions as possible. This feedback will be very important to us and will also mean our journalists can see what you want to talk about more easily.

The short delay between posts introduced last week, whereby users can only post within three minutes of their last contribution, will remain.

Finally we also have another change planned in a few days which we expect will more effectively target repeat troublemakers.

Why we have to change?

We have not taken these decisions lightly. They come after various attempts to try to address some of the problems in recent months. The opening hours were reduced. We urged users to limit off-topic and overly long threads, and to help us deal with troublemakers. More recently, we introduced a gap of five and then three minutes in between users’ posts to try to improve the quality of debate.

Some of these have helped to some extent but the 606 message boards are simply not sustainable in their present format and neither do we believe they provide the best solution for interactivity and "high quality football debate". Like the rest of the BBC, be it television, radio, news or elsewhere - we also want to provide a distinctive, high-quality service.

The boards’ massive growth over the last three years is now presenting problems, not just of performance, but of financial viability and quality.

We understand that an online community evolves over time, and many users want to discuss things other than football with the fellow fans with whom they have built relationships over time. But the boards have strayed from the initial intention – providing football fans with a space for high-quality football debate - and we can no longer justify their existence in the present form. We will happily facilitate users publishing links to any online communities outside the BBC which pass our editorial guidelines.

We’re very excited about our plans for the future, and firmly believe we can provide a better alternative to 606 as we know it. We really hope you share our optimism that the new boards will offer you a much better all-round experience than they currently do, and would greatly value your feedback. We will monitor your responses and suggestions. You can also provide feedback on the message board. We will, of course, keep you posted about any further developments.


       

Message 2 - posted by rastajock (U3954828) , May 30, 2006

Excellent news

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Message 3 - posted by Chloe O'Brien (U4061449) , May 30, 2006

Another major change will be that only hosts will start threads. We hope this will create a better quality of debate and content and avoid off-topic conversations.

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Terrible news.

The most insightful, well thought out and provocative threads have never, ever, come from a Host.

What makes you think you guys will be able to do a better job now?

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Message 4 - posted by GoonerTA5 - (U2202787) , May 30, 2006

HOW IS THIS:

We have identified some principle aims and objectives:

• To provide a richer, more in-depth user experience
• To raise the standard of contributions

HELPED BY THIS:

Another major change will be that only hosts will start threads.




I HOPE that u hosts are going to start a Henry vs Dinho and Lampard vs Gerrard thread....

Sorry but this is a very bad suggestion. By taking away people's privilege to start their own topics you stop 606 from being a true forum.

606 as it is now, full of all its troubles, is 100x better than what your are suggesting.

MAYBE YOU SHOULD STOP TREATING THE POSTERS LIKE CHILDREN AND LET US HAVE OUR FORUM BACK.

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Message 5 - posted by Neko Bazu (U1825444) , May 30, 2006

A lot of it sounds good, and while I can appreciate the logic behind not allowing users to start threads, I can see that being a very unpopular decision despite the offer to listen to thread suggestions. Beware the backlash!

Am I right in assuming that a thread will be created for each game every week, to discuss that game beforehand and afterward? That would go some way to calming any protests, as would a thread being started for each new news topic (I do hope the news threads arrive quickly though!)

It's nice to see some positive steps being taken - whether they're for better or worse remains to be seen, but at least something's happening! :-)

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Message 6 - posted by Chloe O'Brien (U4061449) , May 30, 2006

Still no news on changes to moderation procedure, the obvious way to get to the root of all the 606 problems.

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Message 7 - posted by Terry Eurgh (U2751994) , May 30, 2006

I have been sat waiting for the countdown on my thread and as this is the first time I've logged on in a week or so it's my first experience of it and in all honesty it stinks!!

The hosts now have too much control over the board!

I feel angry at the new suggestions being made, I want to post a lot more "choice" words than I am allowed and I actually think these decisions are too much!! This board has been ruined; not by WUM's or off-topic discussions but by the BBCs failure to actually improve the system.

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Message 8 - posted by Nimrod (U4225844) , May 30, 2006

The BBC can't run a messageboard like the rest of the world does, so they choose to turn it into something else.

There will be no quality football discussion, unless the BBC pre-approve it and shape the nature of each discussion beforehand.

What an absolute joke the BBC are. This is nothing short of embarrassing. The reskinning of h2g2 is not appropriate to discussion of football.

You really do not know what you are doing, when it comes to meeting the needs of the licence fee paying customers that you should be serving.

At least have the decency to admit to your real motives and stop making out that this is in any way going to benefit anybody but the BBC. Please?

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Message 9 - posted by Dan-o (U3560460) , May 30, 2006

Another major change will be that only hosts will start threads.

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ROFLMAO

<laugh> ! That is the end of 606

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Message 10 - posted by Chloe O'Brien (U4061449) , May 30, 2006

Indeed.

There does seem to be a culture of "this is as good as it's going to get, so we're cutting back on your service instead of attempting to improve it".

That's fair enough, if they dont have the ability to change, adapt, improve the service there's not too much we can do about it. i guess they're hoping we're grateful they're doing anything at all.

i remember when a few hosts gave replies such as "we could just close them all if you like", what wonderful customer service that was.

If they simply improved moderation, half the troubles would go.

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Message 11 - posted by Neko Bazu (U1825444) , May 30, 2006

If they simply improved moderation, half the troubles would go.

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We've already established what the odds of that are though <erm>

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Message 12 - posted by smogchatter (U1746831) , May 30, 2006

if you cant be bothered to offer an actual message board system then close it, there is no point giving us a scripted only views airing faccility. you must keep the individual team threads and you must let us start threads or nobody will use it

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Message 13 - posted by U3152346 (U3152346) , May 30, 2006

We have identified some principle aims and objectives:

1. To provide a richer, more in-depth user experience
2. To raise the standard of contributions
3. To reduce the amount of ephemeral, low-quality chat
4. To make 606 more distinctive
5. Raise expectations of users and of content.

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Sounds like management speak to me.

1. Surely this is a given and was always a continuing aim/objective?

2. Again, surely this is a given? I thought that part of the Hosts' remit was to facilitate discussion, yet I have seen about three threads all season on the League One board started by a Host (Peter - Host). I appreciate that this is being altered now, but maybe it could have been avoided by the Hosts chipping in occasionally.

3. Surely this is a given and was always a continuing aim/objective?

4. What exactly do you mean by this? Or is this what would be called 'mind games' in the footballing world (talking garbage)?

5. The output will only be as good as the posters make it. By altering the moderation procedure, you would have taken a much greater step to achieving number 5.

Anyhoots, I'm more than willing to give the new system a shot. The three minute delay is an excellent idea, by the way. Kudos to whoever implemented this.

Thanking you kindly.

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Message 14 - posted by xiuxiuejar (U3353236) , May 30, 2006

how do you quote? I lost the option a couple of months back and haven't worked it out yet!

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Message 15 - posted by Nimrod (U4225844) , May 30, 2006

"Talented individuals" <laugh>

Should be read as "incapable of doing what so many others have done", as regards creating genuine, controllable, useful, truly interactive web based applications.

This is an embarrassment and I hope the BBC have the decency to remove "British" from their formal title, as there is no sign of the British determination, or innovation that we have been known for in the past.

In fact, this is a slur on Britain. An absolute joke.

"Talented individuals"? Do me a favour, will you? If they are talented, I'd like to know at what, as it clearly isn't in developing interactive, purpose built interactive discussion systems for the web.

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Message 16 - posted by Chloe O'Brien (U4061449) , May 30, 2006

Essentially they've made changes to drive users away in an attempt to get numbers down to an acceptable and manageable level.

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Message 17 - posted by Neko Bazu (U1825444) , May 30, 2006

4. To make 606 more distinctive
4. What exactly do you mean by this?

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Well, by 'more distinctive' I assume they mean they want to make it even less like other football forums.

Mission accomplished, methinks.

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Message 18 - posted by hairy cataract (U3059861) , May 30, 2006

Cut through all the waffle and there are only two salient points:

No team boards - that's enough to stop me coming on here, I only ever post on my own team board - only WUMs go from board to board.

Only hosts can start thread - no disrespect intended, but I have yet to see an interesting and witty thread started by a host.

So I guess the long and short of it is - 606 is dead. Why not just come out and say that, then start your new site, and call it something else?

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Message 19 - posted by Kittens give Morbo gas (U1644823) , May 30, 2006

Another nail in the 606 coffin. A sad day indeed.

I think the only question now is: why not just put 606 out of it's misery and shut it down?

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Message 20 - posted by sars-strikes-back (U2181714) , May 30, 2006

Peter,

For what it's worth you seem like a good bloke to me and a long suffering loyal supporter of your side, the epitome of a true fan, so this is not aimed at you.

The rest of em,

Oh dear, what can I say.

In the beginning you could say whatever you wanted, whenever you wanted.

Now you can say whatever you want once every 5 minutes

In the future you'll be told what to say, and can do so once every 3 minutes

Freedom of speech?

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