Dear family of God,
I just stumbled upon your site. It was while searching on google with the name of "Watchman Nee Love not the world online reading" that I found you. I thank and praise the Lord for such a sacred opportunity as the one you offer to open up in integrity to one another, to get a taste of one another's inner condition and to persevere in knowing the word so that the word sets us free.
"Thank you Lord for your servants who are creating a cyber space avenue of communion where the attraction is left to the simplicity of personal devotion to You, dear Christ of God and our Lord Jesus, Son of Yawhei and Saviour of the Eternal. Lead each one who meet here in this cyber space and do not know already, into the zone of intimacy that You describe in Your Word as being the inner chamber(1), where You are inviting/instructing/compelling us to go. You are telling us that You all, the Father and the Son come deep within the innermost being, come to have supper alone in each one's intimacy, to nurture our being of Your being, where Presence and Identity get to be fostered in the unity of Your nature(2). There we each are taught by Your Spirit on how to feed from Your gift in our spirit and heart(3) and how to follow up in hosting You in the renewing of our soul!(4) As You give life to our mortal body(5), we then become aware of hosting You as Your individual Temples(6). As You go on proceeding patiently in each one's deepest intimacy, You weave us into a habitation for Your dwelling among us in spirit(7). ...may all Your blessings be with us all...in Your name I pray you and Brother Jesus, oh Christ of the Eternal God.
(1) Mt 6, 6-7 But you, when you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly. And when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do. For they think that they will be heard for their many words.
(2) Jn 17, 20-26 I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word; that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.
Father, I desire that they also whom You gave Me may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me; for You loved Me before the foundation of the world. O righteous Father! The world has not known You, but I have known You; and these have known that You sent Me. And I have declared to them Your name, and will declare it, that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them.
(3)Heb8, 8-12 Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the LORD. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. None of them shall teach his neighbour, and none his brother, saying, Know the LORD, for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.
(4)Ep20,20-24 But you have not so learned Christ, if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught by Him, as the truth is in Jesus: that you put off, concerning your former conduct, the old man which grows corrupt according to the deceitful lusts, and be renewed in the spirit of your mind, and that you put on the new man which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness.
Mt16,24-27 Then Jesus said to His disciples, If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me. For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it. For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul? For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works.
(5)Rm 8, 9-11 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
(6)1Cor 6,19-20 Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? 20 For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’s.
(7)Eph 2,19-22 Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.
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I maintain that meeting be connected to assembling. In my experience, I've seen very little else than a congregating that does not assemble and where people's idea of meeting becomes an experience of politely avoiding each other's intimacy behind the distance of respect.
The worst case of that was when I went to a bible study where people had congregated for 29 years. Because of politeness and respect, the people who are born and raised here did not know that their host was a traditinal Chinese doctor and that the guy speaks 12 Chinese dialects and all kinds of other information which is vital to their available assembling of who God means us to be to each other; 29 years!!!
So by connecting the word meeting with assembling according to the Spirit, we ought to come from and to lead to the deployment of the New Covenant which makes it very clear that "...no one will teach no one "know God" for all shall know me from the smallest to the greatest...says the Lord".
The assembling of such foundation and the foundation for such assembling was laid by the apostles and the prophets.
When we read the order of the daily meetings in the Acts, there was the teaching of the apostles who were eliminating the need for teaching one another about God and who were translating the Old Testament's shadow of things to come, blazing the passage's trail into the eternal reality of the New Testament, where God Himself gets to be hosted to lead us all, in our most intimate of Her/His supremacy.
People were actually inspired to sell all they had and they were being drawn to one another to be built into the nation of God's prophets on earth. That has never changed.
Sharing the learning that God gives us and teaching one another about "knowing God" are not the same. One builds the Church with eternal life materializing because the justs live by faith, whereas the other builds clergy-laty and ritual-tradition structures which leaves the law of sin and death intact in its rule over the body's appetites and the soul's passions that substantiates our independent will power's inclinations.
When we read the order of the meetings it says: "They were persevering daily into the teachings of the apostles, into the fellowship, the breaking of bread and prayers."
The fellowship spoken of here is the getting to know one another in the light of God's presence and voice. So that their communication was no socializing but communion based upon one another's needs and gifts, so as to learn how to fit with each other. We are being fitted to one another's reality, when we get to be assembled by God.
Once the veil is lifted, the sight of the Kingdom becomes the site of eternal life that sprouts on earth as in heaven. So the fellowship talked about here, is the communion of people whose entire life and livelyhood was brought together on the line against the flesh, the world, Mammon, Ceasar and Satan, by God Himself.
There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Interestingly, this passage comes after Paul addresses us here, directly into the state of this discussion thread:
I, therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you to walk worthy of the calling with which you were called, with all lowliness and gentleness, with longsuffering, bearing with one another in love, endeavoring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
...all blessings be with us all...
Benoit Couture
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FROM BROWN to GREEN
To best describe the meaning of FROM BROWN to GREEN, we need to think microscopically, at the level of mollecules. I am a human who is one brown set of mollecules. I am part of the dirt of humanity. I am corruptible, therefore I am BROWN. One day, in my natural dark journey of decomposing from age and corruptibility, I get to be seized by something that takes my corruptible, BROWN humus nature and brings the set of mollecules that I am made of to combust; the inner connection of the roots into the unit of mollecules ignites "what" I am into "who" I am. The Vine of Eternal Life's Currency has now reached me with its deep root and I am now aware of being aware. From the BROWN unaware nature of corruptibility, I am now in the GREEN of spiritual infancy. Now from one such example at the mollecule level, let's go from here, you and I Andrius, and lets take the ride with the sap. Here we go, travelling from the BROWN of dark, isolated sets of mollecules and now, from the light of renewed Green taking us from underground to the sunlight, we begin to see the grapes production that we are grown from and that goes on growing from each into the us of our completion. Once GREEN, all colors become part of the eternal, renewing nature we are of now and into forever.
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I seek every opportunity to contribute from my office of stay-at-home-dad-citizen-voter from Edmonton, Canada to advance the cause of the organic community
that can defeat the synthetic corporate sector's hold on decision-making. In short, because my personal life and my office are the same, it puts me in the position to address democracy itself and global social policy making. In gospel terms, I seek to buy up every opportunity to be in context for the Kingdom's influence to spread.
Also, being from the Canadian province that supplies United Stated with
up tp 60% of their domestic oil and gas demand, puts me in context to
now campaign to bring the open source vision of transparency to the
Conservative Party of Alberta's current leadership race. They have been in
power for over 30 years and the exiting leader has been there for 14 years.
If interested in the strategy I am using to bring the vision in play, please
see the topic "Is this wild enough to be Green?" on the Alberta Green Party
website at:
https://www.albertagreens.ca/node/304
Prayers and comments are required. Thank you.
...all blessings be with us all...
Benoit Couture
Hey Benoit,
The will of the Lord be done as you address spiritual wickedness in high places, brother. Paul himself used the expression of an opening door for the gospel:
1 Corinthians 16:9 because a great DOOR for effective work has OPENED to me, and there are many who oppose me.
2 Corinthians 2:12 Now when I went to Troas to preach the gospel of Christ and found that the Lord had OPENED a DOOR for me,
Colossians 4:3 And pray for us, too, that God may OPEN a DOOR for our message, so that we may proclaim the mystery of Christ, for which I am in chains.
My brother, sometimes I am reminded of a period of history (mid to late 1800's) in the Netherlands in which a Christian Prime Minister, mind you, founded a Christian university and published two Christian newspapers, too. Abraham Kuyper wanted desperately to see Jesus acknowledged as Lord in every sphere. But look at where that nation is today with it's legalized drugs and prostitution and socialistic statism. Sighhhhh.
May Canada, the USA, and Europe immediatley open their doors to King Jesus and bow their knee before his crown, throne, sword, and scepter.
Another thing I am reminded of is the very last word of the Old Testament which was followed by 12 generations of silence. The word was "curse." God will not be mocked. His blessings are from one generation to the next but they are received on his tems only. That's best.
D. Anderson
Dear David,
Thank you deeply. The scriptures you used are most fitting, espacially the opposition one. Our Lord is currently moving with great precision in my life. I must point out David that Cafe House Church is the only spiritually focused activity in my life, be it in cyber space or otherwise. You and the family here are a breath, a drink and a feeding of fresh eternal life to my whole person.
I have been working "officially" in cyber space since Feb. 2002 at the expense of my wife's financial support of myself and our adult disabled child. It started when I sent a submission to the SUFA review. It stands for Social Union Framework Agreement. It was signed in Feb. 1999 by all governments except for one province, Quebec. Being ignored is only starting to subside as of the end of April 2005. Your encouragement though is a first fruits of the harvest, spiritually. You, as a brother in the Lord, are confirming what is happening since 4 o'clock this morning in another cyber community where I seek to draw attention on an initiative called ...cleansing our vision of the Crown.... This morning, I was being quoted between participants and they were inquiring as to how they could help to move the vision forward. That cyber community is one of Internet software experts who help one another with the knowledge economy's challenges. They are at the forefront of all governing powers and social policy development to avoid globalization's cahos as much as possible. You and I know the end of good intentions but that is not widely recognised; so that makes it an extremely delicate manouvering.
I am writing this way because I seek wisdom from the Lord and counsel in the assembly. The language being used nowadays by the knowledge economy experts evolve around Open Source Knowledge Management, Clarity, Transparency, Communities of Practice, Life Long Education...
Because we know as children of the Eternal that human knowledge is rooted in our deceitful nature which is driven to become like God instead of with Him, then we are the ones who are needed to follow the Lead Who guides the way through the deceit and evil prduction of our knowledge capacities that remains independant of the true Open Source.
At the centre of community we find the meaning of communion and at the heart of communion we find common and union.
Allow me now to give you some details that are relevant to the activity that is happening here in Alberta. The province turned 100 years old last year. There is a man who was christian and Premier of Alberta for 30 years, until the early 60's. His name was Earnest Manning. His son went on the federal scene as a well known christian as well and he generated a movement that reformed the conservative side of Canadian politics. Currently, there was a man who in the 80's was a young Albertan by the name of Stephen Harper, who occupied the position of chief policy maker for that reforming movement. As of Jan 2006, he is Prime Minister of Canada with a minority government. Mr. Manning is said to possibly jump in the current Alberta Conservative Party leadership race. Such is the layout of the scenario to which I pray the Lord to graft the following that I am pasting from what I described that happened earlier with the other cyber community when it was suggested that someone should come up with a project for my thoughts. I then replied with:
"May I humbly suggest a downtown Edmonton initiative which is just fresh out of
the womb of micro-macro socio-economic creativity and which is prescribed for
humanity with a live family's journey, to get from personal to communal and from
local to global with the softness of a volume swell and the delicacy of care.
You can read it at:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/classic/A9247296Also, in case you are interested to "Cyber space knocking on reality's door":
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/classic/A5786841I look forward to see together..."
Here I can add: "The vision of the Church"
How could we engage this present thread here to weave itself into love in action and truth?
...all blessings be with us all...
Benoit Couture
Where are we now if the following essay is true? Have we all like sheep gone astray? Is it too late for "Christian" nations to reform? Nations are formed by groups of people. Are we just a bunch of greedy people forming greedy governments? This essay was forwarded to me. I admit that I received a jolt when it finally soaked in.
.2006.04.21 Lifespan Of A Republic
How Long Do We Have?
About the time our original 13 states adopted their new constitution, in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years prior:
"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship."
"The average age of the worlds greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:
1. From bondage to spiritual faith;
2. From spiritual faith to great courage;
3. From great courage to liberty;
4. From liberty to abundance;
5. From abundance to complacency;
6. From complacency to apathy;
7. From apathy to dependence;
8. From dependence back into bondage."
Believer
Since I began to try and figure out the meaning of words like government, constitution, democracy versus dictatorship, it points to the fact that there is no basis for reality and dicision-making outside of the Monarchy to host the Lordship of the Christ-Jesus. In this context of the Church, democracy can be used for the sake of seeking out the Lord in the many counsels, to confirm His will and to effectively communicate His movements in our midst. Democracy is a collective tool to either serve as the connection of the Head's decision-making of our Lord reaching all parts of the Body in the communion of the Spirit or else, it is the illusion of deceit that keeps self-rightouesnous and good intention leading the way.
Act 2, 42-45 "And they continued steadfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, in the breaking of bread, and in prayers. Then fear came upon every soul, and many wonders and signs were done through the apostles. Now all who believed were together, and had all things in common, and sold their possessions and goods, and divided them among all, as anyone had need."
Once the Word was fed to the people by the apostles, the fellowship was the chewing process of that spiritual food which they had just received in order for the Word to be made flesh into those who were present. The prayers sealed the daily intake of each one denying her/himself, to pick up the power to activate the nutrition into following Jesus. The Word came to the people, the Word took root in the people's spirits and hearts and as they fellowshipped, their soul and bodies were being regenerated by the presence and identity of the Lord in their midst.
The day that the Church sees that democracy is the fellowship of God's glory amongst us, His people, then we will know that we must return to drink and to eat with and from one another, of the spontanious move of the Spirit as we see in Acts, which God designed and launched Himself rigth at the start of who He means the Church to be and how the organic experience of spiritual unity actually gets cultivated to maturity.
Dear Lord, bring us to where we hear Your voice, so that we may be silenced by Your patient wisdom, fed in Your identity and guided by Your presence, that Your glory gets to shine forth in Your expression of our unity on earth as it is in heaven. Release Your overcomers to reach out to all Your people I pray, in Jesus the Christ's name...amen to Your Yes...
...all blessings be with us all...
Benoit Couture
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I was born in the French province of Quebec, Canada. It is an area where we had more Roman Catholics per capita than in Rome itself. I was born in 1958 and was number 12 of 14 children. We had the highest birth rate in the world and since 1960 there's been a steady decline. By 1975 we had the lowest birth rate in the world according to the UN and to the tax man. Beleive or not, many children per family was encouraged by the Roman organisation as a mean to produce the votes to defeat the English democratically.
The simple way I used to settle the whole matter came when I found out the meaning of the word Catholic. Catholic means universal, which the Lord is the source of, in that "it has been pleasing to God to make the fulness of all things visible and invisible on earth and in heaven to dwell in Him." The universe cannot be contained nor ordained from Rome. Catholic is not a name, it is a quality that describes our Lord's nature and conplete reality; Rome is a city at the junction of humanity's history. Because nothing escapes our Lord's attention and supremacy, I am of the opinion that among other reasons, the Lord has allowed the RC to come into existance "For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, “He catches the wise in their own craftiness”; and again, “The LORD knows the thoughts of the wise, that they are futile. Therefore let no one boast in men. For all things are yours: whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas, or the world or life or death, or things present or things to come—all are yours. And you are Christ’s, and Christ is God’s." It is a mean by which He catches the wise in their own craftiness that the Roman institution exists.
We can see this meeting of history with destiny in terms of what the present offers, when we saw in China's position to be the only ones to refuse to go to Pope John PaulII's funeral. The wise's craftiness is in place and the line is drawn as to where the real battle of nerves over world powers lies at the moment. At the same time, our Lord is moving with the teachings of Watchman Nee and of the House Church's movement that got revived in China and that now spreads around the world. Rumors of the truthful kind have it that there are more people now in the House Chuch of China than there are Communist Party people.
Here is how I understand the history of what happened regarding Rome versus the House Church of the beginings, when institutionalisation began and how such contrast can come in full view all the way from Moses and the people of Israel connecting back then with the "perfect" structure for Empires, namely, Babylon. It is a power structure of command and control that can only self-destruct from within. It was completed as the model for a structure of human's command and control under the Roman's Caesar and carried out ever since until the return of oue Lord...exept in one note, free and easy, feeling so free like a breath, rippling by...
At the bottom of a mountain, God provided Moses and the people of Israel with an anecdote of what is the reality of hearing God's voice with our physical hearing. Very little did He speak, but the people begged Moses to ask God to never speak to them directly again for fear that they would surely die. In several different explanations, anecdotes and analogies, Jesus and the apostles are all very clear on the fact that no one gets close enough to God to hear His voice, without being guided there by God Himself. Yet, Jesus is also clear that those who are His, know His voice. Humanity's attempts to mediate the divine and the human natures are and will always be left to re-invent God after our own limits. Through the history of early Christianity, the existantial nessecity of the human's corruptible nature to keep distant from God's voice, combined with the sharpest animal instincts of survival brought on the alliance of Mammon with Roman Empire. That alliance adapted and adopted a tradition imitating the High Priesthood of Aaron, in the name of Christ teachings. Tradition took over the simplicity of the communion guided in God's Presence by God's voice.
When the Christian reform consolidated in the name of Martin Luther, the renewal was again halted by labelling as "enthusiasts", all those who advocated for the completion of the reforms until it reached the simplicity of the communion guided in God's Presence by God's voice. Instead, the reform got lost into the renaissance of all human interests, still excluding God's direct governance in our midst, born of our abiding in Him so that He may abide in each one of His children.
Belief is from the nervous energy by which we can conclude, make up our mind and have an opinion of our own, with or without the truth. Beleif brings us to sound conclusions of our own. Then comes the need to know that I am known in such a way as I may also know that I know. This is when Faith draws beleif into revelation. This distinction leads to observe two opposing accesses at the basic fundamental levels of sourcing the human thought generating and processing, and consequently, at the source of the very health of personal identity development and interactive qualities. The spirit-driven mind is the experience of organic-spiritual unity where all quality of living are. The soul-driven mind is where beleif refuses the revelation of Faith and turn societies into herds of peer pressured humans, spending our existence under the "peacefully oppressed order" of military intelligence, to maintain the animal soul driven nature of humanity under check. Psychiatry is only just coming to terms with the conclusive observations in the curative powers of Faith for a variety of conditions where the patient is relieved from past beliefs that find themselves at the root of the condition that needs treated. From Faith, the mind is at peace with an imaginative screen that feeds from the balanced creative participation of both, the subjective and the objective state of being fully developing together, into the revelation of being relevant at the source of being one with all in all.
Therefore the response I seek to provide is the simplicity of His Presence and of His Voice, so that whenever or wherever anyone asks any question concerning God, He is then always available to be pin pointed amongst His own human manifestation of His Promised Covenant of Justice, Peace and Joy by the Spirit..."for he/she who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him." The reward is to know Him and to commune at the Source of Being, Identity and Presence...amen...
PERMANENT AVAILABILITY of the POWER of the CROSS of the CHRIST JESUS ACCORDING to the EXPERIENCE of the BIBLE
The incarnation of Jesus from eternity into the temporal human existance, absorbed the constance of the dissociative energies of matter. That which Adam brought on himself, Jesus took it on when He incarnated with us, humans. Although He was Son, He had to learn obediance through what He suffered. He was equipped with the same mortal vessel, limited as we are. "Why have you forsaken me", is one recorded statement said to God by Jesus while on the cross. When death came, the Trinity instituted The divine power of NO. When Jesus raised from the death, bore witness to His own, ascended, was exhulted by sitting at the right hand of the Father until the Father makes of all His enemies His footstool and sent the Spirit, the Trinity had then instituted the divine power of YES with humanity, from eternity. God was in Christ reconciling the world unto Himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation.
Trinity curses Adam then Jesus takes upon Himself the rejected human body which is isolated and detached by Their own power to curse, then brings that cursing power to an end by taking it on with His incarnation, with His living, with His dying and resurrecting = to Divine NO.
Resurrection, ascention, exhultation gift of the Sprit=Divine=to YES.
"Therefore, the cross is the power of God for all of us who are BEING saved", says the apostle. "Deny yourself, pick up the cross daily and followm me", says the Lord. NO and then YES; such is the order of the one faith, one baptism, one Spirit one Father of all...amen More specific. In the Covenant, God state: "I will put my laws into their hearts and into their spirits." Then there is the soul and body which are left to be saved by the discipline to "deny myself". No one can do that if the the cross and resurrection are not available to eliminate that which I am guided daily to deny. To deny means that I co-work with God Who already commune with me in my spirit and in my heart by His own work of revelation. But He wont rape my soul and He wont invade His own temple, which is the body of His children. Both soul and body must come into sync with the Spirit in my spirit and from the live revelation in my heart to my soul. So every morning, I awake within the limits of my awareness, I receive God's daily salutation in my spirit and in my heart, I welcome the Divine power to apply NO to the mortal limits of my soul and of my body (I pick up the cross) and I follow in the renewing of my mind that comes from following the resurrected Christ. Paul says: "By the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live because those who are led by the Spirit of God are children of God. For you did not receive spirit that makes you a slave again to fear, but you have received the Spirit of Sonship. And by him, we cry Abba Father." Peter says that the judgement begins by the house of the Lord. The cross is God's verdict upon His own verdict. We now live in the Day of the Lord, the Day of Salvation. His family is being sanctified (set apart) by the purification of our souls and bodies that He offers and operates within the temporal dimention of the material universe with the activation of His Divine judgement of the cross. The first chapter in the initiative of ...cleansing our vision of the Crown... is named: "...quest for home... It means that home is the daily quest of seeking and finding God by denying myself, picking up the cross and to follow the resurected Christ in the deployment of my day. The Day of Salvation is my tuning fork. The obediance of the Son that I experience is the divine music playing of my temporal day into His eternal day. Each day, His Crown of Justice and of Peace becomes brighter and shines forth from upon my head in His, and lights up my path in the Glorious glow of His unity with us, the "Land of Immanuel" where Easter's celebration cannot be interrupted, for He lives and He is with us to the ends of the earth. Jesus walked up the hill of humanity's agony, ended it. Now God transports us in the heavenlies and invites us to come down that hill, to be guided in His Presence to carry in His blessing to our souls and bodies. Organized Christian religion, for the most part, are still trying to climb us that hill of agony, instead of accepted the finished work of the cross and the simple discipline, as prescribed by the Master The just shall live by faith and there is only one faith; that's the elevator of God in our heart and spirit, with which we bring to our soul and bodies the healing of the meaning, where abides the Faculty of Living by the revelation being ministered to by the Spirit. "The cross is the power of God to us who are being saved", says the apostle. From this experience, my heart and spirit are gifted to provide my soul and body with the universal Spirit of power to love my enemies, to bless those who curse me, to do good to those who hate me, and to pray for those who spitefully use me and persecute me, so that I may be son of my Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if I love those who love me, what reward have I? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if I greet my brethren only, what do I do more than others? Do not even the tax collectors do so? Therefore I shall be perfect, just as my Father in heaven is perfect. Such is the catholic House Church...amen to Your Yes oh Lord...
...all blessings be with us all...
Benoit Couture
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tragicrock says:
"though they believe in the actual "One True God" Jehovah, they must still put their faith in the Messiah (Christ Jesus), and so must the Muslims"
The contrast being made with "though they believe" and "they must still put their faith" implies that there is beleiving that they can do to change what is needed so that then, the one true God can move in and do His thing.
BELEIF AND FAITH ARE MADE TO COMPLETE ONE ANOTHER BUT ARE NOT THE SAME
Belief is from the nervous energy by which we can reason, conclude, make up our mind and have an opinion of our own, with or without the truth. Beleif brings us to sound conclusions of our own. Then comes the need to know that I am known in such a way as I may also know that I know. This need gets me seeking from where thirst and hunger only grows until God finds me where I am looking for Him (all though I might not be aware that what I am looking for is God) and also, once He finds me, of course I find God where He is looking for me. This is when revelation draws belief into Faith.
This distinction leads to observe the two opposing accesses at the basic fundamental levels of sourcing the human thought generating and processing, and consequently, this is the very point to determine the degree of health of personal identity development and interactive qualities in the simplicity of the devotion to Christ-Jesus by His Spirit.
The spirit-driven mind is the experience of organic-spiritual unity where all qualities of living are given by the Spirit. The soul-driven mind is where belief remains independant of the revelation of Faith. Such knowledge turns societies into herds of peer pressured humans, spending our existence under the "peacefully oppressed order" of military intelligence, so as to maintain the animal soul driven nature of humanity under check.
Psychiatry is only just coming to terms with the conclusive observations in the curative powers of Faith for a variety of conditions where the patient is relieved from past beliefs that find themselves at the root of the condition that needs treated. From Faith, the mind is at peace with an imaginative screen that feeds from the balanced creative participation of both, the subjective and the objective state of being fully developing together, into the revelation of being relevant at the source of being one with all in all.
Therefore the response I seek to provide is the simplicity of His Presence and of His Voice, so that whenever or wherever anyone asks any question concerning God, He is then always available to be pin pointed amongst His own human manifestation of His Promised Covenant of Justice, Peace and Joy by the Spirit..."for he/she who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him." The reward of seeking after Him is to know Him and to commune at the Source of Being, Identity and Presence.
I have met people whose lives demonstrate such personal and intimate knowledge of God because of the self-control driven by love, truth, justice and wisdom in all aspects of their life experience and who yet, did not know that the Spirit of Christ was the One Who was guiding them. Watchman Nee describes such a man who said to him after accepting the gospel: "This is the first time I hear of the gospel and of the Lord Jesus-Christ but this is the second time I meet with God".
There is an election of God that belongs to God alone and it is by the love manifested for one another that we are to recognise His presence amongst humans. For even if we have known Christ in the flesh, we do not know Him like this any more. The senses used by the old man to know someone are not relevant to the spiritual reality of being a child of God and an overcomer of the Christ-Jesus.
I fear that much of our standing up for God and for the gospel does not add up to more than what we describe of the Muslim or the Jews or any other set of beliefs. The true faith we are given by the revelation of the gospel has no limits other than Christ Himself in all His glory and power. When two or three of us are gathered in His name, there He is with us. It is a matter of two different natures, which are connected to two different sources and somewhere, the nature that feeds from the revelation of God does not need the contribution of any belief what so ever, for belief is from my capacity to reason apart from the mouth of God's words.
Obediance is the simplicity of being empowered by God the Spirit into the yes of Christ, working with God to establish His no by moving against the prevailing of the gates of hell. For such depth to happen in reality, man does not live with bread alone but with every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. Please notice, from the mouth of God, not from the book of God. Hearing God is the source of Faith. I thank God for the bible, don't get me wrong but the word that proceeds out of His mouth requires that God Himself gets to first dwell into my heart and spirit; my mind that can read the bible comes after, as a result of the Covenant being activated to be my source.
Once my heart and spirit are feeding from the mouth of God, then I am equipped with the empowering life to not be comformed to this world and to be transformed by the renewing of my mind.
The mind is connected to the soul, to the body and to the unregenerated heart. Trying to regenerate the heart with the understanding of the mind is what belief, religion and philosophy are all about. They all add up to efforts from the energies of the old man. It is like asking something solid that I hold in my hand to stay in the air after letting go of it. Gravity takes over and brings it to the ground.
The wings of eternal life's liberty are from the law of the spirit of life Who sets us free from the law of sin and death. As soon as we speak from the mechanics of intellectual memory of scriptures, we short circiut the Spirit of life from touching and from giving life through our speaking. For all vain words that men shall speak, we shall be judged. Our words are not in vain when we take the time to let the Spirit show us who we speak to and how this person or this crowd or such and such event or circumstance can be moved spiritually. Can we get on to pray as overcomers instead of conquerers of the people for whom we take time to explain with such vigor to ourselves as if we just finished climbing on top of the hill of the best beleif systems.
PRAYER
Dear Lord, show us how to commune with You and each other in the way You mean us to and give us to discern between ours and Your concern for all that is lost and in need of Your saving grace. Do speak up within each one of Your children and silence us by Your presence, so that we may learn to sail upon the waves of Your voice's power, taking Your obediance directly from our heart and spirit to our soul and body, for the blessing and the redeeming of all whom we are in You and all that our eyes and ears come in comtact with. Bring and keep each one of us in the boundaries of Your pleasure; not what we hink might be Your pleasure but like Mary versus Martha, bring us to where we hear You and see Your glory, that we may be one as You are one with the Father and the Spirit. Raise the sacred fire of Your worship with such might that our sacrifice of praise and thanksgiving may be able to sustain any and all levels of adversity yet to come against Your elected ones. Fill up our lantern, so that we be not distracted from our waiting for You in the blessed virginity of Your bride. Do reach all of Abraham's children and all whom are blessed because of the blessing You bestowed on him by the King of justice and the King of peace Melkizedek, regarding all nations and families of the earth. Make us aware of what it means to be citizens of the new Jerusalem and make good use of the groanings that we are going through with Your Spirit, for lack of a proper means of expression. Teach us the graceful acceptance of drinking the cup that no one can stand having to drink and yet, as You did pray for the cup to be removed from You, You did drink it and told us that we too, were going to have a cup to drink. Guide us to where our drinking of that cup becomes filled with such praise and thankgiving from our devotion to You, that the Church shall awake across the whole earth, causing the repentance and conversion to open up the way for Your revelation to take hold of entire nations at the time. Thank you for the tools to communicate at the speed of thought. Show us all how to let You speak to us here and now from deep within each one and do voice Yourself into our being and living as well as onto the Internet, along with all other tools You've given us for Your dwelling amongst humans and to inspire the perpetual celebration of Easter. Keep us rejoicing in You I pray...amen to Your yes...
...all blessings be with us all...
Benoit Couture
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DEPLOYING THE SACRED NATURE
How does the Sacred Heart live within our midst into the full force of the Personal Sacred Fire?
Definition of Sacred: Personal and communal sanctity of spirit, soul and body alive in the sacrifice of worship of praise and of thanksgiving...
DRAWN TO ENCOUNTER
Well, here you are baby girl here you are baby boy newly born with us into humanity’s messed up journey.
Now oh young one be it known to you that this life you’ve received for free, you’ll have to earn it for most of your duration on earth.
The gift of life wears off quite swiftly for most people, Soon giving way to the struggle for survival.
You’ll find yourself wondering Why is civilization a human jungle?
A discovery was made which shows that in the first five years of living we develop up to 60% of whom we’ll ever become.
At that tender age we are like a sponge; partly beneficiary, partly victim of all who come in contact with us.
As we get older we become executor of what we’ve sponged in! Alerted by the implications of such a discovery, take the time to find in you the child, this child, the one whom only God knows better than you.
Tune in your whole attention and notice how complex is the process of your own becoming.
See how far away you have grown from who you really are because of all the ignorance we are born into. T
he snare of doubts, fears and confusion drives you on to naturally be rebellious to the Creator and to your own good. What you will, ends up being your very own worst enemy.
This is because you see, this life we are given from mom and dad, well, it is short-circuited by a living death.
This power is in you and it’s in me and that is why each of us must get on the quest that leads on to the path of deliverance.
To be released from this living death is the only experience that provides each human with the opportunity to penetrate the state of freedom.
The dimension of our being where the living death dwells and radiates from is the spiritual dimension, inside each of us, throughout our whole being.
To find the path of deliverance one must be honestly sincere and sincerely honest, always accepting the facts for what they are.
For instance, no matter how much we understand the need for love, we just can’ seem able to apply it where it is needed most of the time?
So as you go on asking such questions for which there seems to be no answers, your thirst and hunger grow. You begin to have an idea of what you don’t want but you don’t know what you need.
Your search goes on inthrough yourself and is driven by a deep sense that life ought to be much more than what you’ve been limited to know thus far.
This deep sense is a definite sign that you are on the path of deliverance. There comes a time when, to be penetrated by and to penetrate the state of freedom, will alone satisfy the thirst and hunger.
You eventually become aware that a mysterious attraction is drawing you, bringing you an aroma of what to be free could taste like. Someone who knows you better than you know yourself is calling. One, you realize, who can outkill the living death.
The point of Encounter is when you are made aware in a very mysterious and unexpected way, that without Him, you are prisoner of the living death.
As you quest, He finds you and accepts your invitation to the very core of your being, bringing you a new nature; one free, eternal and divine nature.
To meet Him generates the impulse that settles and quenches all human need, be it for love, truth, justice, peace or for any higher state of living than what the living death offers us under the disguise of deceived perceptions of free will.
That deep sense that life ought to be way more, happens because of His absence from our inner core. That living death is in each human from conception on; so come on the path of deliverance and the divine reconciliation will reveal Himself and penetrate inthrough your spirit by His Spirit and provide you with all that you need to be made whole. Welcome to the Church of Jesus-Christ, built well beyond all the blinding and deafening walls erected in His name. Welcome!!!
FAMILY BLESSING
Oh young lives, granted from heaven to us parents and who painfully suffer with us and because of us, the discovery of spiritual maturity! The difficult upbringing that we’re being through, has been and will forever be inexcusable in our own eyes and in the eyes of the world. It is so, that we may all be trained in God’s power to forgive and to free us from what He forgives, as we learn to pray, to praise, to be thankful and to rejoice no matter what, in the blossom against and because of all odds. May we each live on by ongrowingly knowing God’s Fatherhood to us, where we each seek Him from, to where He seeks to be hosted within and amongst all of His own, in the quietning stillness of His Holiness to adore Him from! Dear spouse and children, the present of our lives comes to us from a specific dictation, grooved in the people of our past, and scripted in a future of the Life, as we radiate the spiritual-organic journey of the
Spheric Knighthood
of
Humanity’s Round Table
In British terms, the knights represent the noblest of chivalry. They are the ones who are sovereignly appointed to serve and to protect with all the passion of their personal devotion to God and king or queen as the case may be. Since Camelot, the British monarchy and the knights of the round table have been adapting to the deeper calling of justice and of peace, while chivalry went on a quest of its own, looking for new ground to grow roots with. It reached beyond the realm of the Empire, and has now covered the whole sphere of the Earth. Having been forced to survive the underground rule, chivalry is sprouting back from upon the Land of Emmanuel, with knights who are equipped to serve and to protect the universal completion of personal and mutual community care. The round table we work from, is to inspire and to ease in the consensus of living freely with and for all who choose to host chivalry’s sprouting Royalty. The torch of Faith we carry is ignited to radiate the peace caused from the Solemn beauty of Being human who answers the ancient voice of humanity’s youth in the fluid adaptation of common sense in Christ-Jesus by His Spirit in the Glory of our Father in heaven...amen! Benoit Couture
Dear Holy Spirit, Great I am Father Yaweigh and sweet Lord Jesus, oh Christ of God, thank You for being and for having revealed Yourselves to us all who seek and who find You where You seek us and guide us. You seek worshippers in truth and in spirit and the faith You give us, leads us to seek You where You reward us with Your presence and identity.
To know that I am known and loved by You is what living means for eternity. Do make use of Your witness in all of Your children and set us free from all of what keeps You from shining forth Your Restorative Justice and Community Mental Health in our midst by Your presence and guidance.
Do show us I pray, what you mean to mean with the Internet. Guide us to ignite in the unity of Your glory with such transparent clarity that we may come to that point where all knees do bow and all tongue from all cultures on earth confesses that Jesus, Your Christ, our brother and saviour is Lord and that the only safe way of globalization is obedience to You.
Until we each move out of this life on earth dear Lord, keep us all filled with Your holy oil so that our lamps go on brightly through the night, until the dawn of Your return.
In the mean time, let Your justice, peace and joy rule our lives by Your Spirit and show us to bond with one another in the same way You do bond with me and him and her and them all.
Show us how to settle in the heavenly seat that You give us all at the very start of our new birth so that we do not strive uselessly in the old nature.
Open us up to one another in the reality of Your authority and knowledge.
Thank You for being my life. Bring me and all whom You give me to care for, to the maturity in You, I pray Dear Father, in Your name oh Christ-Jesus, in the greatness of Your holy Spirit...amen to Your Yes in us all...
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...all blessings be with us all...
Benoit Couture
Dear Eternal's family,
This conversation began by talking about the Sabbath and here we are, bouncing back and forth, just outside of the communion and of the celebration of eternal living here and now, where the simplicity of our devotion is the never ending experience of the Sabbath. Christ-Jesus is risen and that is true 7 days a week.
More than that, Christ- Jesus is ascended, He is exulted, He sits at the right hand of God until His enemies have been made into His footstool by the Father. More than that, God has transferred us from out of the domain of darkness and into the Kingdom of His beloved Son of whom we have been made partakers of. In my personal language, this means that I am alive by the perpetual celebration of Easter at the heart and in the spirit connection within the Land of Immanuel. Such victorious reality is what God is calling His New Covenant's experience of the Sabbath, where from He awaits for the human race to seek Him with our whole heart.
I genuinely do think of myself as the chief sinner of our present times on earth. If anyone wish to slug it out to compete with me and to expose all that I've done wrong since the Lord came to me at 16 years of age, 32 years ago, there is enough for anyone to taste death itself each slep of the way, for that is what sin does, no matter how big or small the sin is.
In the original Greek, the word sin was used for archers who missed the mark. The law of sin and death is the law of the nature that we are born with from mom and dad. Because of the law of sin and death, I do not become sinner because I sin, but rather, I sin because I am a sinner. Yet, "there is therefore no condemnation for those who are in Christ-Jesus, for the law of the Spirit of life in Christ-Jesus has set me free from the law of sin and death.
Our will power cannot set us free; only the law of the Spirit of life.
Why do we not overcome?
The Covenant of the Eternal is said to be: " For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. None of them shall teach his neighbour, and none his brother, saying, `Know the LORD,' for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more."
Notice how we are told by Jesus: "You shall love the Lord with all of you heart, all of you mind, all of your soul and all of your strength and..."
God the Father comes and puts His laws in my heart and in my mind. Jesus is clear that there also is the soul and the physical body left to save. That is where the paradox sets in and keeps us defeated. We need to see that once God did His part and that we are then given all we need to conquer our souls and bodies from the gift of His laws into our heart and spirit with the blood and the flesh of the Lord. Together, the flesh and the blood of the Lord amount to materialisation of heaven on earth, for those who know how to feed from seeking, finding and serving Him, within His assembling. The word service is there because Jesus said: ""My food is to do the will of Him who sent Me, and to finish His work." Jn 4,34
WHAT IS MISSING THEN?
"How many times shall I forgive?" Peter asked. Jesus answered saying, "seventy times seven times a day."
The state of overcomers is to live in the completion of God's mercy toward one another. The experience of victory is personal for each one of us but it is individually conquered by the one Chris-Jesus, the ONLY begotten Son of God. The assembling is the ongoing strengthening of our Lord's glory in our midst. His glory is God's ingredient of unity. Do not forsake the assembling that God is up to, not us. This assembling is the Ministry of reconciliation of the son of man and of the Son of God in the oneness of the Christ of God. "Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation, that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us: we implore you on Christ's behalf, be reconciled to God. For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. 2Cor 5,18-21
Then Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For My flesh is food indeed, and My blood is drink indeed. He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me. This is the bread which came down from heaven—not as your fathers ate the manna, and are dead. He who eats this bread will live forever." Jn 6,53-58
To me, this passage speaks of the Church's government on earth under the Head. The governing order of the Body of Christ-Jesus is to feed from the Head inwardly and from one another, since He lives in you and I. There is a moment of remembrance known as the Lord's supper. This does not address the Lord's supper but rather, our live communion to one another in the assembling of God's people into the Bride of His Son, every day, all the time.
Our being in Christ means that His blood and His flesh are in me and in you and we are in His. When sanctified by His presence, our contact to one another is given the opportunity to feed the eternal nutrition from His presence in each one, for He lives now.
Forgiveness of one another is by drinking the blood of our Lord that flows on and on, back and forth between us and eating the flesh of the Lord is the obedience of the substance that brings the deliverance of what we get to be forgiven. That substance is known as faith. As we seek to personally grow in the sacrifice of worship, we are then strengthened in our discerning of God's perfect will and we feed together with the perpetual sacrifices of praise and of thanksgiving, brought to us by God's assembling work. This ministry of reconciliation is the one mission of the Church that removes the prevailing of the gates of hell on our service's pathway.
DISCERNING BETWEEN THE SUFFERINGS OF THE WARFARE AND ACTUAL DEFEAT
Fears and doubts on the inside, struggle and hardships on the outside are what goes on for those who seek to serve the Lord and His Kingdom's presence on earth. Because maturity of the faith is so rare, our experience of the warfare is constantly subjected to confusion. Paul is quite clear as to the intensity measurement of what we go through on the front lines:
2Cor4,11-12 11 For we who live are always delivered to death for Jesus' sake, that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our mortal flesh. So then death is working in us, but life in you.
Gal4,19: My little children, for whom I labour in birth again until Christ is formed in you.
TRYING TO CLIMB CALVARY IS A UNIVERSAL MISTAKE OF CHRISTIAN IMMATURITY
All authorities have been given to Jesus-Christ, where He sits, on His throne at the right hand of the Father. Mt 28, 18-20 We have been seated together in the heavenly places in Christ-Jesus. Ep 2, 4-10 Our job is to walk down Calvary from the throne, with all power and authority, not to climb up, reaching for it! That is how the positioning comes to me for the Cross to be efficiently the power of God for those who are being saved.
Note that the "being saved" is different from "having been saved". God's part of His Covenant covers my heart and spirit. Left to be saved are soul and body. The only way to experience the power of the Cross, is to first deny myself. This self is the same root word in Greek as life and soul. I do not deny the divine nature, I move with the divine nature placed in my heart and spirit for eternity, having been saved.
My heart and spirit are sealed by the Holy Spirit in Christ-Jesus in the heavenly. My body and soul are dead to the treasure of God in me, until regeneration of resurrection gets ministered to them daily from my heart and spirit. The exercise of denying myself is impossible to do if there is not a part of me to do it from. It is an exercise for those to whom eternal life has been already given.
That is how to deny myself gets to be possible and increasingly desired by each child of God with unspeakable groaning from the Holy Spirit because waiting for me daily, is the freedom from that death of soul and body as I pick up the Cross with the all-inclusive death of Jesus to deliver me from the old man so that I may follow Him, now, in this very moment on earth when no hope of sinless ness is in sight and there's a state of no light, of no life and of no reality engulfing all my senses. "Put off the old man and put on the new," Paul says. Denying myself, picking up the Cross daily and following Jesus-Christ after having been seated in Him on His throne of victory and exultation in the heavenly places, is to be coming down from Calvary into my soul and body with experience of the Word of God becoming flesh in His Bride.
The beginning of wisdom is the fear of the Lord and perfect love casts out all fears.
Each new birth that God provides, needs to be nurtured within those who live with such maturity of the Cross in their lives, as the simplicity of the devotion to our Lord Jesus the Christ of God.
Phil 2, 12-13 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; 13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.
1Thess 5, 23-24 Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. He who calls you is faithful, who also will do it.
The experience and fellowship of sanctity spoken of here is my understanding of the mature "House Church". Our closeness with God within our inner chamber needs to live in the daily experience of the Body unity; not with a group working toward unity, but from unity to unity. The source of our togetherness is from having been seated together in the heavenly places in Christ-Jesus. Unity moves from glory to glory, from faith to faith, by faith for the faith.
"He who descended is also the One who ascended far above all the heavens, that He might fill all things. And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting, but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head, Christ from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love." Ep 4, 10-16
Sadly, most of my life I have come across Christian leaderships who go a long way to deny any such possibility of unity of the faith, until Jesus returns. How can the victory of Jesus-Christ come into view, when defeat is preached and upheld by the "authorities" of the bible?
IN CONTEXT WITH THIS THREAD HERE, COULD WE SEE HOW THE LORD WOULD LEAD US TO...
I am seeking help and support in prayer and in wisdom to further the Kingdom from where I am. So if you'd like to read how the Lord is leading me in the warfare and find out if the Lord is leading you to support my calling spiritually first, here are 2 letters that I wrote this week in a yahoo group of "humanist globalisers" who are open to God Himself but who cannot afford an interpretation of God, because of the level of security that we operate into to keep an eye on where we are going with our ideas. One letter serves to explain and the second is the practice I am heading into that was signed on Mar 31, 2006.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lovingGod/message/266http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lovingGod/message/270...all blessings be with us all...
Benoit Couture
DIFFERENT APPROACH
I was born in an era in which, by the time I was 10 years old, political reforms were in full bloom in Quebec, Canada. Little did I know then as to how much my life was going to be so absorbed by the questions that find inevitably their answers with some politics involve. This questioning of mine began as far back as my memory can reach. Part of being young is asking questions and finding their answers. I always did, do and will refuse to grow old as I insist upon my inner drive to remain within the direction of the ancient voice of humanity’s youth, always seeking and finding. In my first years of asking questions, I quickly reached the point where the standard answer that adults would give me was: You’ll understand when you get older. I got older, and now I understand that what most of them meant was: When you get older, these questions wont bother you anymore. How very true and wrong! True in that, the search stops for the vast majority at the personal level of comfort. Wrong in that society goes on repeating history’s mistakes because of it. It becomes a culture of wilful ignorance. A question that seems to demonstrate this culture very well and to which I wish to bring a different approach is to the equation of Canadian national unity. This on and off crisis is a direct result of this culture of ignorance and it has a life of its own, thriving in the hands of those grown ups who have forgotten how to ask the pertinent questions to our national plight and to mature up bringing. Politics have been the only forum with authority to work from and the vast majority of voters feel overwhelmed by the process. The following is a tale that reveals my personal affinity from a most pertinent position to ask the relevant questions of humanity and to apply their answers according to the lessons taught by history. Because of our special bond as the good conscience neighbour to the one super power of the world, Canada is given the opportunity by the Writer and the Guide of history's currency, to charter a course for sanctity to emerge in full bloom, following the Spirit of liberty, from upon the Land of Emanuel, in the perpetual celebration of Easter, here and now.
ON THE MOUNTAIN
After my first winter in Edmonton, some weekend in the spring of 1979, I was reflecting, lying down on the slope of a mountain near Jasper. Having had to learn English and to adapt to a whole new life in Alberta, got me through winter without hurting too much from the exile, for exile it was, that took me out of Quebec. With my peers, I had reached that complete incompatibility as to the fundamentals of how life should be lived. But, back to my being on the slope in Jasper, I was basking in the sun at an altitude that I had never been at before. I drifted into a state of half sleep with my eyes being half open and I was being carried by a deep sense of longing to find the key to a fresh start for my life. Because of the angle of the hill I was on with my eyes being slightly open, the whole valley served as the perfect background to such deep investigations. And so it was in such an inspiring site that my senses of perception bathed in the deepening pulsation of that longing for renewal. Just as I felt sleep engulfing my eyes lids, there came into my focus an amazingly striking individual who pricked my attention, and took it away from going to sleep, but when I started to awake, the connection faded away along with the individual. When I drifted back toward sleeping, without falling into it, it caused the scene to be adjusted, just like on a TV picture; the individual was back in my focus, bright and clear again, captivating and compelling our reception with gentle, mutual attraction and warmth. As I watched, the sight of this character was like an amplifier of all its surrounding. Nature was so bright and lively around that person, causing the scene to glow of surrealism. The most striking feature of all this at this point, was that this individual was at least 7000 or 8000 feet below and yet, I could see it and the glow really well! As I was enjoying this great state of contemplation, this person looked me straight up with a peaceful smile and with an expression by which to let me know: I see that you are primed for me, so here I am. As it smiled, I noticed that I could not tell if this was a woman, a man, a teen or an adult. As soon as this observation crossed my mind, the apparition ascended in my direction. The movement of its body somehow got a hold of my attention’s mechanics and I got swept right into a whole new disposition of perception. I started hearing a loud crashing sound of ocean waves coming from behind me in the West and a faint one from the East, following behind its ascension. As I was trying really hard not to let the awesomeness of the experience throw me out of focus, I observed that each step it took forward covered ground well above distance. It covered the whole 7 or 8000 feet between the two of us in 7 steps! It was advancing with ease in a sphere outside of the material world and yet, so well connected to our dimension, that the trees and bushes were moving by his ascension toward me, demonstrating the basis of the experience in reality. The eastern sound of ocean waves grew along with its movements and levelled with the ones from the West. Gradually, along with its every steps was added to all those physical sensations, a great sense of history past, and of present destiny; this sense was giving me a whole new awareness and appreciation for where and when I happen to be alive on Earth. Couldn’t awake, couldn’t sleep and nor would I. It was a very foreign sensation to have my body half asleep and my insides more awake than ever at the same time. It felt as if I were watching myself play an unrehearsed part in a scene to which I could only react spontaneously out of a reservoir of unknown thoughts and emotions. This character now facing me with such grace and might was of a rare stature. Standing eight or nine feet tall and although right in front of me, I still couldn’t tell if it was male or female, but even more striking was that its agelessness was undeniable. All at once from each angle I could behold, I saw that the beauty of infanthood was just as present in its eyes as the vigour of young adulthood and the wisdom of the golden age. A long robe hanging down over its feet was dressing it majestically. Nothing had yet been said in words but, in a very joyful, wise and powerful sounding vibration, voiced in the perfect mid ranged tonality, it said: “I am not a man nor a woman and my age is not relevant to your time frame. Upon hearing that, with the look of my eyes absorbed deep into its, there came to me an abandonment, a sort of unintentional but welcome surrender of my inner defences. Even if I did not have a clue as to who this was, it had become clear that he could read me like an open book, plus, I had never felt as deeply and warmly secure. Four or five questions came out of me really fast. Questions like: Who are you, why are you here with me, what do you want? That kind of questions. Evidently, I was not relaxed enough for the complete benefit of the moment to touch me. So instead of answering questions, this humongous person slowly and gracefully stretched out both arms, while twisting his body, like a well choreographed dancing move so that his hands pointed toward the East and the West. As the arms and trunk came back in position of rest, the sound of the ocean waves gave way for a gentle prairie wind from the West, rolling and wistleling Eastward upon the wide stretches of the grasslands, gently blowing his long hair in the breathing dance of the air. As I was suddenly weakening along with this awesome shift in sound production, I was re-energized by his calmly saying as a matter of factly: You know me under the name Canada. As soon as Canada introduced himself, my insides went into a spin, seeing all kinds of currents and great exposes of invisible powers at work to shape events and circumstances about the nation. At that point I became aware that I was being initiated to the dimension where perceptions, thoughts, emotions and controls of human affairs are generated and conducted from. So, I replied, very determined to understand, you are a spirit! “Yes, you could say that. I belong to the spiritual realm. The forces of civilization on this geo division called Canada are under my jurisdiction to serve God. My job is to prevent the forces of darkness from shadowing Yahweigh sovereign plan for humanity, throughout the decision-making that shapes the human identity and life across the land. Boy, I replied with sarcasm, I don’t know much about politics but you better call your cavalry my friend. That’s why I am here, was the instant reply, in a very enthusiastic but also, very solemn voice. You, Benoit, you will not ever forget our encounter. The memory of our time together is a seed in your spirit and it will grow into a completing part of the Eternal vision; this vision is being raised to provide healing to the people of the land and service to the saints of the Earth, thereby revealing the purpose of our destiny that’s calling us all to experience the organic maturity being lived in the completion of spiritual mutuality. Being 21 years of age, you are very young and ignorant of who you are to be, as of yet. Eventually, from the training that will be sent your way, you will take a stand and many will rally to serve the cause of your common destiny. It will be at that point that the Lord’s cavalry and I will support your proposition to God! That’s when Canada left and vanished with the body language of one who was now going to set up to protect the seeding that just happened. As Canada vanished away, so faded along with his departure, the sound of the prairie wind. Once gone, both, the sight and sounds left me with the sense of an open closure; open to a definite return, one day! Stunned by the whole experience, I couldn’t quite believe nor disbelieve what had just happened. I just couldn’t make any sense of it. I looked around and all that was left with me was that new awareness and that deep appreciation of the here and now; almost like a river of thanksgiving, flowing down through my spirit and into my heart, calling my soul and body to pay complete attention from here on and to accept the obedience of the simple faith. I was left with much more than a feeling; I was given a state of being that secured me with living as myself, getting me ready to face the harsh lessons I knew I had to get through, in order to become empowered into the genuine loving nature needed to serve God. I got up and proceeded to get down the mountain. Every move I was making was more arrested and somehow, renewing each other as I went on. I had no possible way to deny this renewal and yet, was it a dream that I had or what?! So as I was walking down wondering, my foot missed a tight spot on the trail and I lost my balance. Just as I was falling, the wind gusted a burst that nuzzled me back up on my feet. I sat there for a few minutes, realizing that I had just been answered. Whatever happened up there was no dream. Someone had just caused a saving wind to come my way and somehow, I know it was Canada. This tale was inspired from my initial experience at 16, of getting touched and of having been kept in touch in spite of my ongoing failures, with and by our Creator’s mercy and Presence! Benoit Couture © Subsence Publishing and Promotion
...all blessings be with us all...
Benoit Couture
Message sent to the following recipients:
Mr. President
Message text follows:
Benoit Couture
Edmonton, Alberta 00112
March 22, 2005
[recipient address was inserted here]
To whom this may concern, please read the whole thing before discarding it. Yes it is critical, but with a solution to repair what I criticise,
Thank you, Benoit Couture
Dear Mr. President,
Now, in 2005, the dream of United States has grown so big and reached so far, that they have monopolized in the psyche of the world’s population, the exclusive use of the term American for the citizens who are born and who live within the borders of United States. America goes from Artica to Antarctica. As a Canadian citizen, I see the opportunity available from Alberta to Quebec and from coast to coast to coast to coast, to get together to say “here we are Mr. Bush, to help you and the United States, to define the Americas from within the true scope of whom we really are meant to be, once together…
Alberta’s 4th Klondike
It is human nature to have and to maintain distance between us. When mishandled, that distance causes discomfort. It then rapidly becomes defences that hit against defences, activating fear and anger that feed misunderstandings. Once violence erupts, it causes a chain-reaction that can eventually bring us, as we are now, in the ready state of human terror and horror. The horizon of humanity is in the healing journey and the present world crisis gives Alberta an opportunity for our 4th Klondike!
This is the invisible gold rush, the one to make sense of the first 3 Alberta Klondikes of golden, green and black gold, in light of the
global clashing climate! Because of the energy resources in our economy, we, Albertans are given a special position to lead Canadians to strengthen our place in the western world. We are needed to provide the starting point for the healing trail that the entire world populations are in need to witness and to participate in! By launching the updating and the healing of Canadian democracy from within the context of a sovereign Albertan-Quebecois challenge, energies can be channelled to raise the bridge of our unity, from the Covenant designed to heal us from the stress that feeds and leads on the crisis of human terror. Albertans are aware of the need and are now requested to move where from we host the faculty of living! In doing so, along with Canadians from coast to coast to
coast, we can, provide a safety valve to the human race, in the US transfer of energy supply from Saudi to Wood-Buffalo. George W. Bush has had to win some personal battles in the inner man’s war, in order to be made ready for President. Let us please, dear Canadians, bring on our unity to rise up to rescue Mr. George Bush, his followers and the US Presidency. Let’s be the alternative to set them free from the blind agitation of military intelligence! Let us reach the victory of maturity, to take our place as the offering from a people of God, so that we overcome the historical
temptation of worldly Christian might. ”Mr. Bush, you now stand on
the threshold of the crossroad, where in the one direction, you will go on helping America and the market economy to fuel the fire of mortal appetites in the bush of the great prostitute, or, in the other direction, you can stand before God until He ignites you into His Presence by His Word and brings you to experience the New Covenant’s burning bush. There, His Spirit enables His children to know Him, His will and His instructions for any questions we might have. By such stand of His people, Yahweigh (or any name by which you relate to Life-Force) gets to demonstrate His victory lane! Americans and the entire world population need to follow the lead driven by the powerful Spirit of love and of wisdom, to show us how to overcome evil from the inner justice He gives, with the peace He
grows from within each one and by His joy to strengthen us in our
journey. The alpha and omega of decision making reside there. No human can love his enemy, bless those who curse them, to do good to those who hate them nor to pray for those who mistreat and persecute them, except for the individuals who live by the life you claim to live by, and for that, the Lord of Life of Justice and of Peace does not need our weapons, but rather, our obedience. The image you try to project to the world from the start of your Presidency, Mr. Bush, is one opportunity granted like never before by the Creator to you and to the entire Christianity on Earth, to bow to the Spirit of all prophecies…the testimony of Jesus-Christ amongst His creation!!! May God give the man you are, to grow into the janitor He and we need, to clean up the vision of America’s Presidency, in view of
the global freedom of individual liberty…amen! Benoit Couture,
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
The following is the theme song for a televised series to gain momentum in Alberta, to coincide with our centenial.
INVISIBLE GOLD RUSH OF BEING ALBERTAN
2005 is the year when I turn one hundred years old! One century spent to define the life within brand new borders, where borders had never existed before, but where nations had flourished for thousands of years, and in 1905 the time had arrived for the Empire to stretch to the west in hope for improvement. When I was named as a Canadian province, John Campbell wrote to his wife: "In token of the love which thou has shown for this wide land of freedom, I have named a province vast and for its beauty famed by thy dear name. " Thus was I introduced to the nations, with a name of the 4th daughter of Queen Victoria… …Alberta is my name, t'was inspired with honor from a man's love for his wife, known to be strong, artistic with exquisite taste! That couple was forward-looking people,
concerned for the less fortunate. The name they gave me placed me well to avoid the Eastern mistakes of the Empire. I've now been led past the threshold, at the top of the material world. Not long before my centennial, the Empire was dragged into terror. And so if I am to celebrate It must be from a wise vision of humility and of service for mankind. There's just no time to pretend that all is well the way it is…
…Let the ones who are and who will be me into Life's sacred fire, the invisible gold rush, thus entering the celebration that never ends, the celebration in the Spirit of Life, Oh nobly bright and illustrious, Radiant of the Spirit of justice, peace and joy.
And so from Emily Murphy to Betty Hewes to Jan Arden to Lois Hole from Grant MacEwan to Ian Tyson to the Mannix and Manning families. We can see through my past century enough potency of meaning for anyone to catch on fire in the Faith and Hope that settles our humanity Into the simplicity. Of the majesty we are all created to be living in, the majesty of the Eternal, who's love secures my destiny in the meaning of my name: "Nobly bright and illustrious". is what Alberta means. Such Albertan I grow to be by the Spirit of wisdom and love, as I care for the less fortunate.
Benoit Couture © Subsense Publishing and Promotion
...then to Canada from Quebec to unite the French and Eglish in the
Aboriginal dance of joy... CALL to CANADA Could we reach the
agreement that it's the whole world who is in need to see a place like Canada to show that free will can be a good thing.
In 1945 we were invited to join a deal. Most of the nations had great hope to bring peace among humans.
After fifty some years, great challenges are facing us. The deal has
not provided what we forgot to look after.
We just cannot go on, building wealth for me, myself and I, while our loving for each other remains hidden behind divisions.
We've got to grow from that bottom line that has been in use and bring about that sense of belonging, bonded beyond the business fences.
Maybe we haven't understood that prosperity only comes
to us from who we are together and not from what we do to each other.
We have all it takes to become heaven on earth; we have been blessed with wealth, now let's lead wealth to prosperity.
Believe it or not, it is the whole world who is in need to see a place like Canada to show that the renewing Covenant is unity for humanity. Benoit Couture © Subsense Publishing
and Promotion
SUBSENSE PUBLISHING and PROMOTION
The name SUBSENSE is composed with the words:
Substance and essence. It is to promote unity in Canada that Subsense Publishing and Promotion comes into existence. The question we addressed is: How do we host the discipline of life’s sanctity, from the individual personal care to the maturity of mutuality in the family and in the community, within the Canadian context? The spectrum of our work is focused on verbalizing the answer to the twofold question on the discovery of applicable meaning (essence) and how to cultivate its embodiment to
completion (substance), when and where the need arises individually,
domestically, culturally or socially.
The service we offer is to develop methods of approach to reach out and/or to train individuals, families and communities to develop healthy lives and conditions, always addressing both simultaneously. To begin our publishing and promotion service to Canadians, we studied four questions. They are:
1-“What is the essence of a relationship and how do we substantiate its dynamics to go from strangers to family, into the ongoing renewal of a healthy mutuality?”
2-“What is the essence of health, education and environment, and, how do we substantiate personal and communal awareness in the state of maturity and wisdom, free from the confinements of uniformity and of conformity?”
3-“How do we absorb the energies of individuals who are withdrawn in
self-destruction and/or violence, in exchange to commune to and with
them, in the essence of the inner life that ignites human existence to the substance of complete caring?”
4-“How can the answers to these questions be harnessed, refined and
processed as the essence to foster our multi-cultural identity, and to thereby, substantiate unity amongst Canadians, secure in the bond and the growth of our citizenship’s heritage of personal, cultural and social health and wellness…amen?!”
The stages begin with one’s personal Acquisition of the taste for Health. Then, once stabilized into The Faculty of Living, he/she joins amongst the Correctional Family Circuiting until the firm establishment into the Ministry of Reconciliation. Thus is being built the Canadian Health Trail, emerging upon the Land of
Emanuel. Benoit Couture Edmonton Alberta, Canada
“THE QUIETNING SILENCE of the PATIENT WISDOM”
“THE QUIETNING SILENCE of the PATIENT WISDOM” is the name for the arrow of justice to reach the target of Canada’s constitutional completion. This arrow is made of the hunger and of the thirst for the justice and for the peace needed to be blessed upon the Aboriginal people first, and for all who can relate with the need for the renewal of the mature socio-cultural development of our citizenship.
This is the name of the healing movement entering the
trans-generational currents of living and nourishing inner waters. We shall start to take Canadian citizenship safely out of the snare of our accumulated past mistakes of timeless proportions. The target of this exercise is to raise the community life until it reaches the fulfilment of the preamble, at the top of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. At the moment, that preamble says in English: “Whereas Canada is founded upon principals which recognize the Supremacy of God and the Rule of Law”.
In French, instead of “Rule of Law” it says: “The Pre-Eminency of the Right”. When Subsense Publishing and Promotion is done with their purpose, the preamble will read in all concerned languages as opposed to each its own: “Whereas Canada is founded upon principals which recognize the Supremacy of God, the Service of Law balanced with the pre-eminency of the Right, meeting to be fostered in “THE QUIETNING SILENCE of PATIENT WISDOM”. This will happen as a result of Justice deploying its restoration in the broken hearts and spirits and cause balanced living to grow. The patient wisdom shall guide each open heart from isolation and/or anguish, to the health of inner home, where the quietning silence gets to be received to cause balance to grow in the joyful fulfilling of serenity.
Then comes the discipline of questing together for home in the
Correctional Family Circuiting, by the union of the powerful Spirit of peace, joy, love and wisdom. This is the entry into the Land of
Emmanuel, where the Cleansing River is, which shall begin the renewal and the transformation from the old to the new living, for all who so desire to enter into the better future now. The stability in developing this culture depends on how faithfully the three hosting cultural elements of Canada accept the mutual subjection to one another, upon the integrity of the ground to acquire and to spread the desire to live well and the discipline to foster the taste for health. Benoit Couture and family,
Sincerely,
Benoit Couture
Here is a letter that was intended to be brought to the attention of her majesty, Queen Elizabeth the 2nd. This is a personal invitation to her into a dream of mine as a Canadian citizen, written so that its reality may reach anyone on earth as well. I invite her to a strategy, for Britannia and Canada to begin the ...cleansing our vision of the Crown... by the release of The Permanent People Summit into the Canadian reality, while she visits Edmonton on today and returns tomorrow on the 25th of May 2005, from celebrating the centennial of the province of Alberta, Canada .
Your highness,
History is moving and destiny is calling; we must answer! There is no legal nor even maybe a moral protocol to allow me to address you, your highness, other than my calling upon the mercy of Lord and to your grace, so that you may know of the vision I have been granted to carry so far. Like a pregnancy, there comes a time for the delivery. I have been in "THE" state of transition your highness, since 9, 11, 01, most likely the same state as anyone who is aware of the times. So in Oct 2001, I phoned the Privy Council Office of Canada from my stay at home, imbalanced life. I asked if I could have the following question answered: " Can someone with a not so good reputation, have a motion that actually gets implemented all the way to the Clerk of the Council, in the PMO and across the nation?" After a little probing, the receptionist became distinctly vibrant, as the lady insisted that I call right back if I had not gotten through to where she was hooking me up. After a few tries, I reached an analyst in the social think-tanking, two doors down from the Clerk's office. Once past my initial question, he asked what was my idea. My prep to this question was the following statement: "I, Benoit Couture, call upon the Canadian Mother and Father International Association to support my motion to activate the Role and Structure of the Privy Council of Canada into cleansing our vision of the Crown, by growing into the Faculty of Living, so as to consolidate the Canadian Heritage." And so after an hour or so of beautiful. casual, relieving and soothing brain storming, he said, and I love to quote: "...Mr Couture, I wish you...no, let me rephrase, I wish us all as Canadians that your motion gets implemented..." With this kind of wind hitting my sail, I lifted to glide on to the SUFA review. It is: Social Union Framework Agreement. It was signed in Feb of 1999 by all provinces except Quebec. The federal and the territories also signed. It was up for review in Feb 2002 and I sent my submission. They scanned it in, in an unreadable fashion. So with fire up my belly, I sent it to the PMO and to all relevant offices across the nation. I've been relentless since. Reminding Mr Klein, Premier of Alberta whom you will spend time with on the 23rd and to his staff and to the PMO and to the Privy Council that I am still at it, promoting Canadian unity from personal health and mutual completion in maturity, instead of propaganda. This campaign is a natural development of a totally unusual journey. It is by spontaneous feed and feedback that I operate. It is the reason I write to you this way, on such a short notice. Democracy needs to capture the moment in time and to mature rapidly from the leftovers of colonisation's motherhood as well as to be released from the grip of paternalistic federalism. As you well know from your sovereign position, Canada is where Britannia gave the French, Europe and the Aboriginal populations with an opportunity to demonstrate how the people and the Crown can get along just fine in the completion of mutualaty. Your highness, we are now in the era of the entity of terror-anti-terror. One does not go without the other. Because of this global crisis, time is ripe for the essence of Britannia to regain its voice from the time spent in the "Quietning Silence of patient wisdom", since constitutional monarchy came about. In the province of Alberta, your former Lineament Governor, Lois Hole, has conceived a legal embryo with the Premier Klein, to offer you and Britannia the possibility do so with all the beauty of sanctity and the simplicity of being. She extended the power of that experience to bring sovereign leadership in the daily decisions, where service was going astray from the well-being of the people. Democracy is ready for the completion of unity under the Crown with the crown, with all of God's children on the earth. The democracy of a mature people of all people needs to be deployed in full bloom by your invitation to Mr. Bush and to Benedict the 16th to join in Canada and to let the vision emerge together, from upon the Land of Emmanuel, in the celebration of the permanent Easter that's being granted to the inner person of each human by the Covenant of the Lord with humans. Please help seize the moment to make of Canada, the place where from the gates and walls of this entity of terror-anti-terror shall not prevail and shall be pushed backward from upon humanity's horizon! In closing this first personal and intimate letter to you your highness and to all of Britannia as a start, I enclose the lyrics of 2 songs to put the vision in context of your visit to western Canada, next week.
Sincerely,
Benoit Couture
Together, they have helped to beat down the trail to get ready to get on with the Heling the Inner Skin Reasearch Project that can be viewed in its first draft at:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/classic/A9247296Peace,
Benoit
...MEETING OF DESTINY AND GOD'S PRESENT CALLING...
After the Fire is a personal encouragement from the deep to Mr. Stephen Harper which I wrote several years ago, on the day after the one time I had the privilege of shaking hand with him, at a summer bbq rally. As of Feb 6, 2006, we address him as Prime Minister of Canada Stephen Harper.
...AFTER THE FIRE...
… and now, after the fire, rising as one, well stocked up of greyed in maturity, here we are, ready to carry on with the journey. The fire we've been through must be free to go on burning, to insure that whatever is "grillable" in the controls of the Canadian citizenship, does get wholly consumed into integrity. We now know from the core of who we are that, after being touched by such heat, what is then left to go on with, is the feed of the Lead indeed! How beautiful and inspiring is the emerging scenery! The reforming Fire of the Alliance has now brought forward an itinerary in the very name of one who's life journey is a search to provide our citizenship with the continuity to side along, for the maturing of the just society. In the name and personality of the current leader, Canadians are offered one who is equipped to both, instil the harpoon of destiny with accuracy and virility into a realistic future, as well as to arouse the intimate comfort that emanates from the warmth of caring and from the dexterity of confidence; intimate comfort as from the delicate golden sound ringing out of a well played harp amongst the family; this confident family who is now wisely enriched with the dexterity acquired in the reforming Fire of the Alliance. Indeed, after the Fire, the Allied Family is in position to metamorphose the established deceit of a better future, by facilitating the opportunity offered by the eternal present, here and now. Such lead brings up Canadians to answer humanity's need of the alternative…. after 9,11! The path ahead for the Alliance is to go on being forged and being led on by the Fire of Communion, so as to cultivate the life of Canada's destiny, in the maturing momentum of justice, peace and joy, within each and among us… Subsence Publishing and Promotion
...FOLLOW UP A COUPLE OF YEARS AFTER THE ABOVE...
In the 2004 federal election, I emailed that poem to all the Conservative candidates under Mr. Harper's leadership. I also added the following PS:
Ps: The conservative duty is to rally our national focus to such an Alliance to the core of the state and of the dynamics of Canada. Canadians need to know without a doubt, that Mr. Mulroney and friends have learned that lesson. I have seen nothing to indicate that yet, and worse with a vengeance seems to be on its way, unless you, Mr. Harper from the uncompromised western integrity, comes through. From where I live with my family in Edmonton to where you are going, there is the movement of a natural platform to tap into, for you to ask and to receive the mandate from Canadians, for the "correction of our citizenship as well as our institutions and policies". The campaign needed, is to demonstrate in practicality, how we will go about defining the local character and the global direction of the Canadian citizenship, in a way that will draw the national youth and Quebec along with the rest of the nation, by taking on the future as one, from the point of view that on the one side, there is terror and anti-terror and on the other, there is Canada. Aiming for less is to cheat Canadians out of our destiny! If the Lord were to prick your heart to make you interested in more, I have been given a lead for our citizenship called: "...cleansing our vision of the Crown...". It can easily be adapted to your campaign as a spring board to launch and to secure the socio-cultural healing movement from the family to school, from Edmonton to Quebec, as a starting point of development. I look forward to hear from you...Benoit Couture
Together, they have helped to beat down the trail to get ready to get on with the Heling the Inner Skin Reasearch Project that can be viewed in its first draft at:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/classic/A9247296Peace,
Benoit
In the meantime, Alberta is moving toward a new Premiership in the province and there is wind the mr. Preston Manning might run for office. Him and mr. Harper are part of the founders of the Canadian conservative renewal movement that began in the 80's. Mr. Manning is a well nown follower of the Word of God made flesh.
This post connects back to the beginning at the top of this page and returns here, then back to the top, until it comes to pass for the Bride to awaken to the bread basket left for us all on earth. The current conjuncture is such that waters are separating for the Church to get to safety with the "Perpetual Celebration of Easter Upon the Land of Immanuel Within each one". Such is the present made available by the current handling of our Father's work upon my land of service; He Who has dominion over all nations of the earth. May we all awake gently to such destiny...and may You shine forth in all the splendour of Your glory in our midst I pray sweet Lord and brother Jesus, Christ of God...amen...
For further reading of mine that are directly taken from our live journey in Alberta, Canada:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/classic/A6656439...all blessings be with us all...
Benoit Couture
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When I was 15 years old, we were sitting around the kitchen table at my parents house, five of us children and our mother. We were all talking about weird things that hapenned to us personally and that we could not explain. My dad was sitting on his rocking chair 3 or 4 feet away behing my mom, with his eyes on the news paper, as if he was not listenning.
It became quite animated and when the talking subsisded, my dad made his way to the table, making room between my mom and I while pulling his rocker and as he put his elbow down he said: "Well, I've also got a story that happened to me. I never told anyone for 46 years". He turned his head 110 degrees to look over his shoulder at my mom next to him and said: "I never told you either." They had been married for 34 years by then.
He went on, "I was 12 years old and I was playing with 2 friends on the roof of such and such building" that we all knew of. That building is about 70 feet high.
"I was running while looking behing me, waiting for the ball to come my way and when I stopped and looked ahead, I was standing on thin air, about 3 or 4 feet away from the edge of the building. I turned around and walked back to the roof. The 2 other boys who were there", and he named them both, "we never talked again ever since. When we see each other, we cross the street to avoid each other." My dad was 58 when he told us that story.
Interestingly, at his funeral, my mom came to me and started saying, "you know Benoit, your dad told me something that happened to him when he was 12 years old..." I interrupted her to ask if she was going to tell me that story and she looked at me all stunned and asked, "you know about that?" So I went on to ask the other ones who were there around the table and I was the only one who remembered my dad telling us that story on that Sunday afternoon, when I was 15.
Seven years later I had an anectdote of stunning proportion and when I told my parents about it, my dad jumped off his chair yelling, "things like that do not happen". So I quickly replied, "what about your 12 year old story off the roof?" And he was instantly quiet down and went on mumbling to himself.
It is then that I was given the scene to understand a man who went on having 14 children and who lived a life of constant struggle with his own peace of mind and for which we all suffered dearly as children, simply because he could not share something so far out of the box of normalcy.
The Lord seem to have passed on to me such normalcy of His own limitless version of what is usual for God. To me, the most simple way to grasp how God positions us to adapt with the normalcy of His magnitude, comes from when Paul says:
Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer. Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new. 18 Now all things are of God..."
My dad was saved from death at 12 years old but never could benefit from the joy of such happening because of the closed mindedness of normal tradition in the peer setting of Rome's infallability that says that things like that do not happen..until they do in front of enough witnesses that it can't be denied of course, but that's a different topic. Three 12 years old boys were no match for the ruling frame of mind of the day.
His experience of peace and joy was interrupted for lack of vision and lack of understanding to the fact that...
"Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation, that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us: we implore you on Christ’s behalf, be reconciled to God. For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him."
In order to comfort me in some of my deepest times of inner agony from an unbreakable sense of isolation, the Spirit flashed my name at me in English several times. In English my family name is Seam and my given name is Blessed of God. So once I had learned to speak English at 20-21 years old, the Spirit took my attention to The Seam Blessed of God and cross-refered it with the ministry of reconciliation and with:
"For this reason I bow my knees to the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, from whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, that He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with might through His Spirit in the inner man, that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; that you, being rooted and grounded in love, may be able to comprehend with all the saints what is the width and length and depth and height to know the love of Christ which passes knowledge; that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.
Now to Him who is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us, to Him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus to all generations, forever and ever. Amen.
Also, to frame my awareness of such revelation of His normalcy in humility, the Spirit guided me to understand that the spirit of all prophecies is the testimony of our Lord Jesus-Christ. There lies all the width and length and depth and height to know the love of Christ which passes knowledge; that we may be filled with all the fullness of God.
Please dear Father, make Yourself at home with Your own standard in us all and amongst us all, so that the testimony of Jesus may come through in the full bloom of its own completion...amen to Your YES in us all...
...all blessings be with us all...
Benoit Couture
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From power vs. getting things done at Holistic Helping
Thank you Steve, Tom, Graham, Jeff and Andrius,
This thread is becoming a work of art. Here we are, a bunch of
males, moving from brain storming into a "mind rubbing" as brought
to us by Pam and which Janet turns into pure joy of humor and wisdom
together, and I quote:
"Thanks so much, and great minds think alike (though is that the
rub, haha?!),
because I have been having the same questions and challenges at
HH ... I'll be thinking out loud on this as well, and am sure that
we can
"rub-a-dub-dub" till we put some fire in our thinking "tub"!! All
best wishes
and to 100% virtual visibility, Janet." That was from:
http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/holistiche lping/message/ 339
Then there is Jeff who added some Cherooke wisdom of the 2 fighting
wolves within and of our responsability to decide which one we
feed.
http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/backtother oot/message/ 441
My reply to Graham is at:
http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/globalvill ages/message/ 1608 and in my
answer I offer my personal experience with the effects of power.
The point I make in my reply is the difference between the love of
power and the power of love and I seek to make sense to Graham by
putting it in a context that he can relate to, namely, the presence
of the Canadian armed forces being preceded in Afghanistan by the
heart forces. To offer an example, I cite the Sir Paul MacCartney's
concert in Russia as opposed to the cold war. The heart forces
could be the deployment of sport and cultural means to attract the
people into the peace making and development process.
Andrius, I loved the 8 points you offer and the old lady's example.
She sounds like my mom. because she did indeed move and spoke in
such a way that "elephant may supply all the power that might be
needed. Or a king. Or her village. Or an earthquake. Or the sun. Or
a virus."
Starting at 20 years old, she began raising 14 children. These
children came at a rate of 9 in their first 10 years of marriage and
then came 5 years of a God-given break, then came 5 more in the next
6 years...he-ha. One washroom to serve everyone. It was a lot of
fun at lunch time when everyone had to return to school
shortlyYY... pleaseeee, HURRY, HURRY!!!
So when the last child was gone, she began thinking of her old age
and about the absolute dread she had of ending up in a nursing home,
in the way she knew of nursing homes she had visited. She thought
to herself that she would die of boredom if she had to end up in one
of those. So she started to light up some pilot projects for Senior
citizens. Eventually, her projects went from pilot to lit up ac
cross the whole province, through the governments programs of social
services delivery
One day, in her late 60s, the minister of social services of the
province came and asked her if she would accept to have the latest,
newest and largest senior citizen center named after her, which of
course she accepted.
The party in power who had honored her so, offered her to run as a
candidate in the next provincial elections and she giggled her way
out of it while taking the man who had just made the offer by the
arm and led him to another person who was standing 100 feet away.
Arriving in front of that other man she said to the party
man: "Here is your man". That man was elected and was re-elected
until he decided to leave politics.
At 78 years old, she and my dad retired from handling a once a week
bus trip for a club of 3000 seniors that she initiated 15 years
before. All the while, since her teens, she had been a great
listener and councilor to each and everyone who needed her time and
attention.
That winter after retiring from the senior's club activities, they
got bored so they stripped all the woods in the house and refinished
them and when spring came, the went to get scaffolding' s and they
stripped and repainted the outside of the house, alone, just the 2
of them. People were stoping by with their cameras to film the
scene.
By the time the whole count is done of their offspring, they moved
on to heaven leaving behind about 60 people and the number will go
on growing.
They both passed away a few years ago. First he did at 84, spending
no more than a week at the hospital as she nursed him until it
became medically impossible to do at home and then a couple years
later, after lining up her departure with destiny to the best of her
reach, she passed away at home surrounded by her children. No need
of nursing home for her, she had won against all odds of modern
life's damage on family and community life!
Such is The Faculty of Living...where being comes first, then comes
what you have as personal talents, gifts and inclinations, then come
what you do with who you are and what you are made of...where the
only how and why is the power of love and wisdom breathing in the
Spirit of Life and living out in the solemn joy of being human!
,,,all blessings be with us all...
Benoit Couture
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We need to exercise caution when we declare that "it is finished". This is true when it comes to the gift to our spirit and to our heart, as it is stated in the prophecy used twice in Hebrew: "...I will put my laws into the heart and into their spirit" says the Lord...
The caution comes in regards to our soul and to our body. This is when and where comes in the daily grind of denying myself, to pick up the cross daily and to follow Jesus and the devotion to ceasseless prayer and service. This will be finished when we each die or when Jesus returns.
So when Jesus says "it is finished", that is His part is finished, not ours. We all still have "the cup to drink" and the new man to put after putting off the old man.
The great blessing is that Jesus did climb Calvary first, having been made to be curse for us, whereas for us, once we are given eternal life in our heart and spirit, we get to come down from Calvary, equipped with the cross to conquer our soul and body. "The spirit will render life to our mortal bodies" Paul says.
Because once eternal life is into our heart and spirit, we are then eqiupped to apply the discipline of the cross so that the obediance of Christ gets to reach our soul and body. We are to put off the old man and to put on new, Paul says.
These disciplines are what empowers us to become full of grace and truth and "to drink our cup"; the cup being the tribulations of the flesh of the world and from Satan that we must put up with within and without while on earth. That is when we follow Jesus and climb calvary, each drinking the cup as God ordains it to be custom fit.
...all blessings be with us all...
Benoit Couture
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... says:
"We are sinners because we have transgressed the commandments of God"
But the fact is that I sin because I am born with the nature of sin. Transgression comes as a result of that nature. I do not grow into becoming a sinner after transgressing God's commands; I sin because I am a sinner.
Praise God for coming to reconcile us to Him with the power to be transformed from sinner to saint.
This reminds me of one of Watchman Nee's key teachings. He points to the fact that the defeat of a child of God to sin comes because he/she tries to overcome with the will power, which has no effect against the nature of sin. Only the law of the spirit of life in Christ-Jesus sets us free from the law of sin and of death.
This speaks of the disciplines of carrying the cross and to be transformed by the renewal of our minds, so that we may feed on every word that from God's mouth and discern His will, that which is perfect and agreeable.
...all blessings be with us all...
Benoit Couture
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Salut ...,
As you say, the law of Moses was a teacher or pedagogue as some versions put it. It was given strickly to show humans the impossibility of manufacturing eternal life out of the nature of Adam.
One part that the Lord has been graciously teaching me over His 33 years in my life, is the lesson to work out my salvation in fear and trembling. I still go on avoiding such discomfort in Adam instead of remaining alert, sober and praying ceaselesslly.
As a result, I am yet to settle in the maturity of the full measure I am given to serve the Lord and the Church with.
"Thank you Lord for Your determination to bring us all home according to Your good pleasure. Please, do allow for the obediance of Jesus to make its way from where You have deposited Your gift in my heart and in my spirit, and do complete the passage of eternal life to my soul and to my body by the one faith and One Spirit of Your's. I ask in the name of Jesus-Christ...amen to Your yes in us all..."
Ps: By March 31, 07 we are going to be homeless, 4 of us, unless the door opens for us somewhere, somehow. Could anyone who read this and feels compeled to pray, to do so, please? Thank you.
...all blessings be with us all...
Benoit Couture
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Dear SameSpeicies,
In the long write-up about grace that you share with us, you touched on the word "truth" in one paragraph out of about 39.(rapid count)
One of the best sermons I ever heard because of its simplicity to contain the complete picture of Jesus as the Son of God amongst humans was based on John 1,14 and says:
"And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth."
The message was that grace without truth cannot stand up because it is like a body with no spine and truth without grace kills because it is too harsh. Our Lord is never one without the other. From Him, all truth comes in grace and all grace remains within complete truth. This is much of what holiness is all about.
And, as for the results of being taken on by such Life, Paul is firm regarding the outcome:
"Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. He who calls you is faithful, who also will do it.
Brethren, pray for us.
Greet all the brethren with a holy kiss." 1Thess 5,23-26
...all blessings be with us all...
Benoit Couture
Yes Benoit17, We can not separate Grace from The Truth. The Lord comes to us as Grace and the Lord is The Truth, Joh 14:6 "Jesus saith unto him, I am...The Truth...
We could also write volumes about how the Lord is also The Resurrection, The Life, The Way, The Door, The Stone, The Mountain, The Foundation, The Cap Stone, our Faith, The Morning Star, The Hidden Manna, The Lamb, our Temple, The Love, The Fire, The Sabbath, our Righteousness, The Promise, our Shield, our Exceedingly Great Reward, Gen 15:1, Etc., Etc., but at the same time it is all very simple, He is all these things to us and so much much more. Thank-You! Lord for being everything to us. May you Lord have your glory in the church (us), may we bare your fruit Lord, your expression, the fruit of the Spirit. Your Kingdom Lord, the Kingdom of God is Righteousness, Peace, and Joy ((your expression (fruit of the Spirit)) Lord, Gal 5:22, in us in you (in the Holy Spirit), Rom 14:17, in the Kingdom of God, the Finger of God, Luk 11:20, Mat 12:28. Not coming with observation, but within us, Luk 17:20-21, so that you Lord may have your expression, image, and glory on the earth in us Lord, 2 Thess 1:10, Eph 3:21, 2 Cor 8:23. May your will Lord be done on earth as it is in heaven, Mat 6:10. The New Jerusalem coming down from heaven to earth, Rev 21:2-3, Amen!
Yes SameSpeicies,
I brought up the word truth in context with the word grace, as opposed to the whole list you mentioned in replying, because being graceful to someone without being truthful or vice-versa does not work in being the Church nor in spreading the gospel.
I have known a whole lot of very gracefull people in my life who knew nothing about the truth nor about being truthful, and yet, they were very graceful. The same is true of many religious people who can quote scriptures from cover to cover. The righteousness of their beleif allows them to preach and to exort and to warn and to condem and while being so busy doing so, grace has no room to soak into their aproach to others.
It is a little as in nuances regarding statements like "love is God" versus "God is love". Depending on how you view or understand love, then if I say love is God, it means that God has to fit within such restrictive confinements as my limits offer. Whereas God is love leaves the whole definition within God, His nature and His work. My knowledge that God is love is then secured from my own deceit, by His reaching out to me with eternal life by His revelation. God loves us first, not the other way around.
It might sound like spliting hairs but as I've heard it said so often in the English language and noticed in every other languages: "The devil is in the details".
...all blessings be with us all...
Benoit Couture
Yes Benoit17, seeing that the devil is in the details, the most basic detail that we must first see is that God is Love, God is Grace, God is Truth. It has to be God, it has to be God's expression, it has to be God's doing, it has to be God or it's just simply not God, it's the only other source which is opposed to God.
Jesus was God, He only spoke what He heard from the Father, He only did what He saw the Father doing.
We can not bare fruit apart from the Vine, it's God's expression that God desires, the fruit of the Spirit. All that we have for the building up of the body is to be of God, that is of One and the Self Same Spirit of God. It is the operation of The Measure, the Measure of God, in each one part that builds up the body in Love, that is in God.
We really can not define Love, it simply has to be God, God's expression, will, desire, speaking, doing or it is simply not Him and of no value. No matter how good it may look to us, if it is not God it is of the source (tree) of good and evil which brings death, it is not from the Lord, the Vine, the Tree of Life which brings Life and is Life. Apart from God it may look or seem or feel good, right, moral, etc., but then it is just not God. We know the difference by the testing, by the fruit that is produced between brothers and sisters, by the outcome; Life or death, building-up of the body or destruction and division, etc.
We should not even try to be graceful and truthful at the same time or truthful and graceful or even add loving to this formula. We have been crucified with Christ, we are just vessels, branches that only bare fruit, the fruit of the Spirit. No longer I, but Christ. Otherwise it's a counterfeit. It has to be God. When it is God then love, gracefulness, truthfulness, etc., are all in-parted because God is Love, Grace, and The Truth.
SameSpecies
Joh 1:12-13
Being in complete agreement with one another, we are now positioned where anything we ask our Father, He will do. In fact, we are told that if we beleive, it will have been already done, by the time we ask because our requests are no longer simply individual wishes, but we pray according to God's will and pleasure, "For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them."
So here you are in North California and I, in Edmonton Canada. How do we get to be relevant to God's work and to one another's walk with God in this world of darkness?
Is it resonable to look for more that what meet the eyes, out of internet interaction?
How can we see between us, in our personal lives, God to manifest Himself so that our lives can be shaped and disciplined into the "...equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ;"?
I'm I asking questions that are worth seeking God for, in a place like the internet?
...all blessings be with us all...
Benoit Couture
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Salut everyone,
I took the time to read this whole discussion
http://www.housechurch.org/cgi-bin/bbcgi_hc/bb.cgi/ubb/get_topic/f/18/t/000029/p/1.html#000035and after a few hours of digesting it, it just dawned on me that the people involve in discussing have each reached the limits of their own level of maturity in the experience of "by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service of worship."
As a result, the value of interacting without seeking how to be physically involved in each other's pilgrimage on earth, becomes evaporated into a clash of views instead of the communion that bears witness of God's testimony in our midst.
The point of this discussion that is now emerging, has become the freedom of the saints in the context of loving one another, except in our case, there is no living context, only a cyber one, therefore, theory only and no communal practice of accountability and of mutual subjection in love and truth can take root. There is no us in action and in truth, yet...
At the same time as this brings us to seek out the Lord for guidance, it is also revealing that we are in position to manifest the answer to the questions that the internet experts, who are concerned about the state of the human race, are asking themselves. Questions such as: How do ideas go from theory to practice? How can ideas actually materialise from out of cyber space, into a community grounded in the intelligent, sustainable transformation of humanity?
Well, brothers and sisters, such challenge can only be answered by God and His people who know how to recognise God's voice within themselves, in the fellowship amongst themselves and in the circumstances surrounding all involved. God's voice does not ever contradict Itself in any form nor shape. All angles are always complementary to the view that He seeks to communicate.
Are we prepared to move from discussing to the happening of God's voice, into the service to the Spirit of all prophecies, the testimony of Jesus-Christ, so that God may get to shine on and forth His glory in the clarity of transparency that this dark world needs to behold?
Our unity is what God's glory is about. Are we up to let God move us to Him by the intimate assembling of our lives?
I write like this, because after such a long discussion going nowhere, I thought it might be refreshing to experience some thoughts being filled with the Spirit of liberty, Who has so much more in store for us to see and to get a hold of than what our individual limits, clashing against one another have to offer.
Let's ask God how to move us on from out of the grip of the flesh, of the world and of Satan's adversity and on to give a living shape to the one faith, one baptism, one Spirit and one Father Whom we confess in the name of His Son, our Brother, Savior and Lord Jesus...amen to God's yes in each one of us...
...all blessings be with us all...
Benoit Couture
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Week of May 7 to 12 at Radically Christian café
It could be titled:
"EXCURSION OF HUMILITY REFINEMENT"
I'll just go with a quote from what Relic wrote in the last post above, to demonstrate the nature of the flesh in what is conveyed by such thoughts:
"These problems are happening *now*, and getting worse; these people are against us, therefore, they are (until/unless they repent) our enemies, and we must -like the prophets of long ago- pray against them and what they do, perhaps not with hatred, but for the sake of the many people that will be hurt otherwise, and for our own self defence."
When it comes to the battle itsef, we are told that:
"For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh. For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ, and being ready to punish all disobedience when your obedience is fulfilled."
The "pehaps not with hatred" as it is quoted from Relic above, exposes the carnal positioning of good intentions. Hatred against the law of sin and death, but love for the sinner, is the order of God's plan of salvation for the Church to execute until the Lord's return and through the millenium of His reign on earth, before final judgement.
The "perhaps" we need dear Relic, is to consider the word "punish", in the way that Paul states it in the quoted passage from Corinthinans, as the clarification to what you say.
"The judgement that begins with us the Church", spoken of by Peter, might be where you get confused between where this "punish" fits with the love of the Father Who scourges and uses the rod to discipline those whom He loves, on the one side,
and the natural reflexes of the religious flesh, that seeks to please its own version of "a" God, (That would be the good intentions that pave the way to hell) where we have no relations nor functions, other than to resist Satan while we love and bless into redemption, each and all that we each come in contact with.
If and when God calls one of us to rebuke as you speak of, then the Lord sees to it that His nature is not compromised with the nature of wrath and that the love for the enemy is what drives the rebuke.
Such is the power we have been given by the way of the cross, as instituted for eternity by Jesus with His sufferings, followed by His resurrection and exultation at the right hand of the Father, sending the Spirit so that God's witness can get carried on through time by the examples of the saints's obediance who stood against death their whole life after conversion, acting from within the fulness of grace and truth, such as how and what the deacon Stephen did, and like most apostles did, as well as many many saints throughout history who go on bearing death as Paul describes, so that our going through the labour pains may reach all the way, until Christ gets to be formed in others, going on and on in spite of all human institutional shortcomings of history.
The victory of God's testimony came through the ages of time, by the sufferings and the cruel and violent deaths endured until death by God's children, while standing in the gap caused by the remaining curse upon humanity, between God and humans who are trapped in the nature that goes on against and/or apart from God and His people, existing independently from God's calling in their life.
The victory I describe is how God's name gets to be and goes on being sanctified until the return of Jesus, as He seeks to be worshipped, namely, in the spirit and in truth of offering our bodies into a living sacrifice, pleasing unto Him..
Defensive lines of thoughts that seek to return to the prophets of old Israel, are rooted in the context of the flesh, born in the world and which do not lead with the Person of Jesus-Christ, nor with the Church nor with the bible.
Such line of thoughts is how God's spontanious version of His Church, as seen in the Acts, came to disolve into the pathway of Christian wars, inquisitions and crusades of history.
We are told to love our ennemies and that it is by many tribulations that we enter in the Kingdom of God. We are promised persecutions, trials, conflicts from within and struggles from without. We are told by Jesus Hmself that "My Kingdom is not of this world", and the apostles Peter confirms this by saying that we are strangers and foreigners on the earth. We are told that we too, once were children of wrath.
Therefore, only God's recovery road of His spontanious version of the Chrurch can ever stand up against the gates of hell. This is the one reason why I love the House Church! In my own house, God is only limited by His own plan of discipline and of destiny, opening the way for His full recovery of the Chuch's witnedd of His presence into our midst.
Such is how comes the call to arms from God to His servants on earth "NOW", as you point out so well Relic.
Remember that this "now" has gone on since Adam and Eve and ends in the last Adam. The recovery and the victory are with the Life-giving Spirit, Whom the last Adam became, is "NOW" and will be for ever and ever "Now"...
...Amen to Your Yes in us all Dear Lord...
Speaking up is needed dear Relic and thank you for going for it. My entry is not there to stop you but to guide us all with the wisdom we are made of, by the Spirit of power and love...
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...all blessings be with us all...
Benoit Couture
Benoit 17;
Yes, we're told to love our enemies, which is why I suggested praying against them out of self defence, and also for the sake of those they'd hurt otherwise, not so much out of hate for them- out of righteous wrath, maybe, and hatred of the sins themselves.
I quote other verses from the Bible, such as when Samson prayed that God would "grant him revenge against the Philistines for at least one eye" and God answered him. Once again I remind us of the actions of Jeremiah, who knew when the time was right to pray for forgiveness, and for punishment, as is seen in his book.
I also remind us that it was God Himself who had Israel destroy the sinful people that inhabited their promised land, God also who commanded his Angels to call down fire and destroy Sodom and Gamorah, and God who had Elijah call fire down from heaven and take the lives of a hundred men.
There are many more examples of this in the Bible, and the people I'm speaking of are some of the most inspirational Christians in history!
Yes, we must love our enemies, and yes, we musn't allow Satan into our hearts via hatred, however, the Bible also says that there is a right time for everything; "a time to forgive and a time to kill" is a direct quote.
I'm not undermining God's love for all people, nor saying that we shouldn't love all people, sinners or not- what I'm trying to do is point out that God is also just, and that we should be so as Christians.
For an example, there is an antichrist that rises to power, and begins killing many Christians, having no mercy even towards children.
Christians pray that God will encourage the antichrist to change his ways, so that he may be forgiven and there may be peace. It is of course a sincere prayer, and God is pleased with said prayer, but what if the antichrist continuously refuses to stop murdering?
Should Christians then pray for his forgiveness so that he can continue to use his power to kill and kill, or should they, realising that he simply won't repent, pray for God to judge him and strike him dead so that good people can live peacefully?
We might even consider which would God would prefer; for a man to continue to murder and not recieve any punishment in the false hope that one day, he finally decides to stop, or to provide free, happy lives for the people that actually love Him and are faithful, who would miss out on such a wonderful gify otherwise?
God is Love *and* Justice. It's good to remember that he is Love, of course, and even had a Love so great He even allowed Himself to be crucified rather than lose us, however, I believe we musn't brush aside the verses speaking of Justice because we find it unpleasant; all of the Bible is Holy, and all of it's teachings -even those hard to understand- must be achknowledged.
Therefore I achknowledge your point of view, and agree with some points, but I still stand by what I said.
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Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life
From: Australia
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This was originally posted by Benoit17:
"I'll just go with a quote from what Relic wrote in the last post above, to demonstrate the nature of the flesh in what is conveyed by such thoughts:"
This is intriguing, I've been wondering about what kind of Relic he is myself...I Thank you Benoit17 for your wisdom and insight in the following...As you correct 'carnal' Relic...
You said...
"Defensive lines of thoughts that seek to return to the prophets of old Israel, are rooted in the context of the flesh, born in the world and which do not lead with the Person of Jesus-Christ, nor with the Church nor with the bible."
But of course you left out that at Peter's word two believers (Annas and Sapphira) fell dead and that Paul gave one carnal believer 'over to Satan for the destruction of his flesh'; and also that the saints depicted in Revelation call upon God to avenge their deaths from beheading- and that is yet to come. Does God rebuke these perfected saints in heaven? No! Rather He tells them to be patient...
Dear Benoit17, if only you could have been present on these three occasions perhaps you would have been tempted to point out the carnality of God, Paul and Peter and how they too, like Relic, were behaving like old testament prophets and marauding crusaders? The Lord I'm sure would appreciate good advice from you- since God has as sense of humor. However I'm just an ordinary carnal believer that thinks God is a Judge and dispenses mercy or wrath as He wills. Your lofty wisdom is too high for me, dear, dear Benoit17. (That too was sarcastic since it may be you are not British and therefore unable to differentiate between sarcasm and satire.)
But that's not all my dear Benoit17, you go on to tell us of your noble purpose,
"Speaking up is needed dear Relic and thank you for going for it. My entry is not there to stop you but to guide us all with the wisdom we are made of, by the Spirit of power and love..."
Oh how I weep with joy that we have a true saint among us... well I weep. Where was the love in condemning Relic?
I look forward to a response so that I may share in his condemnation, O' oracle of biblical truth!
NOW, DID YOU ENJOY HAVING YOUR FAULTS BEING POINTED OUT BY THE USE OF SARCASM?
Jesus is All
From: West Australia
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I see that my post has rubbed you the wrong way. You seem to miss out the point I made in the quote of mine that you used yourself, which was "such thoughts". There is no condemnation on Relic in what I said, so you can relax your attitude and tone of "I look forward to a response so that I may share in his condemnation, O' oracle of biblical truth!"
Authority of God given to His servants as seen in the New-Testament's examples that you mentioned and hate/self-defense driven prayers and/or actions are not the same.
By the way, I had the experience of having to pray for the removal of someone once who had gone far off the deep end in his work for the Lord, causing suffering of newly born again people.
I was on my knees for an hour and a half before I could feel the peace to get back with my day's activities. Three days later, that person had a fatal car accident, all alone, far from hurting anyone else.
This is one incident with my direct involvement and then there are all these other times when people pass away as they try to come against the work I do, in my service to the Lord.
Regarding the rest of your sarcasm, I just thank God I dont have to bear with such "brotherly" aproach. Thanks for replying, it tells me a whole lot about your frame of mind, which obviously needs much renewing.
Go on weeping of joy that sarcasm provides you if you want, but you might want to consider that such attitude is how Jesus was treated by the Romans for being Himself and holy,(thanks for the honour) whereas for myself, I'll go on serving He Who looks after life and death, with or without our prayers and involvement!!!
...all blessings be with us all...
Benoit Couture
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Benoit17,
You will die one day too, as will we all, and then it will be seen how many of those whom God supposedly struck dead for opposing you were His servants, men who in fact had nothing to do with you.
Laurie Ann- God Bless.
Relic- keep up the good work, Amen
Jesus is All
From: West Australia
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originally posted by Benoit17:
Authority of God given to His servants as seen in the New-Testament's examples that you mentioned and hate/self-defense driven prayers and/or actions are not the same.
Benoit17:
If this is true, then in what way are my requests for prayer different to the actions of the said apostles and other prophets?
I am not saying that I'm holy like they are, of course, or even worthy of holding their sandals, but the basic principals of both the prayers of myself and those holy people are the same; we prayed against sinners. So then what's the difference, exactly?
BlackSwan and I have been using quotes from the Bible to back up our claims, but so far, Benoit17, you've only been speaking from your own heart.
I back up this claim by a quote from you: "This is one incident with my direct involvement and then there are all these other times when people pass away as they try to come against the work I do".
I responded courteously in your response regarding myself, since that's how Christians act; they turn the other cheek. However, I have to say that death-threats towards another member of this Christian forum because that member fails to agree with your own arrogant, narrow-minded words that you haven't even managed to back up with Bible verses in response to ones that *are* backed by the Bible seems strange to me. Why don't you point out to us the grave error BlackSwan has made to deserve such ill treatment from yourself? We could almost call it 'sinful', couldn't we, Benoit17?
Did you know that such words show a lot about your frame of mind, which obviously needs renewing? The way you've treated BlackSwan is similar to the way the Pharisees mumbled together hatefully about how "Jesus was this" and "Jesus is that" and "look at Him! He thinks he is so and so but it is *we* who are the pride of God Himself! So come, let's (I quote you) guide everyone with the wisdom *we* are made of, by the Spirit of power and love..."
As Jesus said, one blind man leads another blind man into a pit... isn't that right, Benoit17?
And yet you speak and act as if *you're* the innocent yet persecuted hero, riding on his high white horse with his golden armour and jewelled sword? Look at the log in your own eye for a change, and you might find that it is in fact *you* who's the loathesome one garment in rags. God could lift these rags, if you were willing to let go of your pride, but as it is with people such as yourself, not being willing to suffer through the guilt and humiliation of repentance is always your downfall.
It's a sad state your in, Benoit17, and the ludicrousness of it would be laughable if only such foolish pride didn't result in damnation, and I truly wish things could be otherwise- I really do... not that I expect you to understand this, of course.
"People nail Jesus to the Cross, and as they do so, claim that *they* are the ones being crucified, Benoit17."
You have threatened that God will strike BlackSwan dead, Benoit17, so now I have corrected you, and warned *you* of the danger that *you're* in, and end this post with a further warning, though I expect that someone who is only half as much consumed in arrogance as yourself will not heed it, nor recognize the sinister truth of that warning, as taught in Proverbs, however, as a Christian who have myself been forgiven by Jesus because of his sacrifice, I feel I am in obligation to at least try...
Before you assume that I am "condemning" you, I would point out that no I am not. It is not my place to condemn anyone, but God's right alone; this is as I said merely a warning that will result in condemnation by God if not taken seriously; for future references please open the Bible- if you're capable of taking a few moments to spend time reading *and* listening to it.
Do not think to play with fire, Benoit17, particularly if it is hellfire. You'll regret it later.
Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life
From: Australia
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Wow! you Aussies have a thin skin and a way of twisting what others say to fit your own agenda, all the while you are the ones making weak links to the Pharisees and Romans in a not so subtle attempt at "putting us in our place".
Benoit NEVER threatened that God would strike BalckSwan nor did he imply it. He was relating his personal experience in "praying against" others... like you suggested we do.
As far as your "Using quotes from the Bible to back up your claim... I know many cults and anti-christians that use the same technique. It's called proof-texting over here. Using short snippets of Bible verses, you can say almost anything and have it be "backed by scripture". So far using these tactics you have attacked almost everyone on this list, called us all fools, rebels, and stopped just short of accusing us of being contrary to the Kingdom.
I think it is becoming clear that you are either messengers of divisiveness or you really do believe you have a much better grasp on spiritual maters than anyone else here. If the later is the case then there is no glory in attempting to stomp on people you feel are inferior to you. If it is the first, you should be ignored. Time will tell.
"Too many clowns... not enough circuses." -unknown
From: NW Iowa
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FastDaddy: I'm so sympathetic.
I think this is a pretty major misunderstanding, and hope the overall tenor of the forum here won't get too bogged down by such.
This reminds me of why I've embraced the "seven commands of Christ"... it will keep us busy all day long, and allows grace in so many areas.
I don't think a discussion of "Jesus junk" should get so heated... especially since everyone here agrees that A. there is junk B. there is authenticity and C. we have a duty to shun the former without undermining the latter.
Blessings to all,
Laurie Ann
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"Benoit NEVER threatened that God would strike BlackSwan nor did he imply it. He was relating his personal experience in "praying against" others... like you suggested we do."- quote from FastDaddy.
FastDaddy;
That's strange, Benoit17 never thought we should pray against others when he posted his first post in this discussion. And the answer is yes he did threaten BlackSwan. He gave BlackSwan a warning that if BlackSwan "interfered with his work, God would strike him dead". What you said is a lie.
And you lied again, FastDaddy,; you falsley accused me of trying to get us all to pray agaist "others", which would imply everyone. I suggested we pray against those who persecute Christians, *not* threaten other members of this forum with death!!!
If there is any post of mine which contradicts this, quote me.
In answer to your third lie, your second false accusation of me, where I am accused of attacking: I have "attacked" no one on this forum. I have tried to correct one or two -not because I think I'm better or wiser- but because it is my obligation as a Christian to do so! I would in turn accept such correction from other members if I found it to be true, which is what we call "humility". If you consider truthful accusations attacking, then note that I accused someone only when that person attacked another member of this forum.
If there is any post of mine that contradicts this, quote me.
In answer to your last lie, in which you accuse me of thinking I have a better grasp on spiritual matters:
Who do you think you are? I have never once come close to boasting in any of my posts.
If I have, then quote me.
The next time you think to accuse me, FastDaddy, *quote* me and prove that what you say is true. If you can accuse me but have no quotes of mine to back up your accusations, then you have no proof and no truth in what you say.
From: Australia
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Dear everyone of this thread and of this forum,
Please, forgive my delay in answering. First, as the saying goes, please forgive my French. The English I write comes from when I started to speak it, at 20 years old. Much of my thoughts get articulated with a deep root of French.
I am a little in a state of shock, at the bi-polar reaction to how my thoughts have come across to English speaking people. So here is a crack at answering with as much wisdom as I am given at the moment:
1- None of what I MEAN to convey, aims at condemning anyone, since no one can escape it, as we are born with the nature which is so. My aim is to point out to where condemnation remains, amongst those of us who are being saved, so as to offer some relief or confort, but certainly not condemnation.
2- Arrogance is what I reckon my soul and body to be made of and my will power is attached to my soul and body, therefore, neither can help me to obey God. Therefore, I ask God to heal me from such nature by keeping me into His renewal Covenant so that the arrogance I am made of, becomes the boldness to approach thr throne of Grace, driven by the power of the cross.
3- To anyone whom I offeded with my Frenglish, I ask for forgiveness and I certainly accept all the well spoken advices, if such a case applies to my inner condition.
In that regard, I ask God to shine His light where any deciet that may be ruling over me, get to be cleansed out of my being. I ask God for the one light spoken of in scriptures, that The Lord uses to search us out, so that if deceit or evil is found to be at work in spite of me, or, the ones that do with my conscent, that I may be operated surgically by His Sprit and brought up to the maturity of the one new man in the full stature of Christ, along with us all who are His bride to be.
4- In 33 years of knowing that the Lord knows me, the one testomony of my life which is obvious to anyone who's known me personaly, it is that God scourges and chastises those whom He loves. I genuinely am one who fits the words of scriptures, saying that God chooses the foolinsh and vile things of the world to confound the wise and powerful of this world. I, indeed, am vile and foolish.
Paul claimed to be chief of sinners...well,we shall have some interesting conversations about such extremes of the human condition, sometimes in eternity. I'm sure that there will be millions of others who'll meet up with him before me, but it'll be eternity...pleinty of time, as such memories as the ones of God on earth with each one of us, get to remain present forever, and shall go on feeding the humanity who is yet to be, with revelation and inspiration, supplying much creativity to keep us busy with for much of the passages from eternity to eternity...
...all blessings be with us all...
Benoit Couture
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Since we are discussing humour and sarcasm in particular, although it is more correct to say satire, and the pros and cons of using satirical content for Christian edification...let me tell you the the last posts have brought a hearty smile to my face. My own humour I think is a bit wry. I appreciate Relic's impassioned defense but I hope it won't stop Benoit17 from continuing to amuse me. As for FastDaddy - We Aussies don't have thin skins but are usually as tough as old boots and so feel free to let fly as much as you want- I won't complain. The Lord has a sense of humour but it is always gentle and never demeaning. The simple question is 'Do the adverts and images we looked at make him laugh or smile?'
But since some of you are in need of a little lighthearted humour let me quote you this prayer that I once heard from the lips of an impassioned but very serious young man.
'O lord Jesus, you love all the animals and I know you love my hamster. I know lord you would be willing to die on a cruel cross for my little hamster lord. Yes lord, I praise you for you did die for my hamster lord!...'
Here is another prayer that was prayed in a large evangelical church and held up the sermon for 45 minutes!
'Lord and Father, I must confess my sins. I had sex with my husband on Wednesday and on Thursday and it was wonderful lord. Then again on Friday and Saturday and praise God almost every day for the last two months. But I am having too much sex lord and so I confess it to you...As wonderful as it is is it right for me to have so much sex especially when other women have so little and their husbands aren't so good in bed...' She continued on in this manner until people were saying hearty Amens as a hint for her to finish but she didn't and as this was an English church that I was visiting I noticed they were too polite to stop her- and so she told all about her sex life and the sermon had to be drastically shortened.
Well I don't remember what that sermon was about but I do remember her prayer and in fact am pleased that she had it so good...
p.s.
Actually I have posted this at almost the same time as benoit17 and didn't see the above post of his reply as I was writing this. Having now seen it I add this p.s.
I pray that God may bless benoit17 very mightily- as you are obviously a man capable of great humility- and for that I thank you and I'm sure Jesus will reward you! I'll try to follow your example.
Jesus is All
From: West Australia
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...AMEM...
Dear Father, please make all the babies of such sex life to be happy of being part of such a drive of Your command to populate...
...AMEN...and why not...Yahoo...not google, as far as such humor goes...
thank You Lord for the freedom You grant us...show us how to grow with Your smile on our face...
...are You laughing with us now?
...all blessings be with us all...
Benoit Couture
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On a more serious note,
I think that humour in the Spirit is healthy, for the joy of the Lord is our strength, as repeated in various ways, in the psalms.
Sarcasm is a different story, rooted in a different ground than humor all together.
Sarcasm is rooted in arrogance, at best! It can only attack, it cannot defend, nor be defended without the escalation of intensity that streches from the discomfort of unsolvable arguments, all the way to conflict, where wars begin from.
By God's wisdom guiding a particular moment, sarcasm may be pointed to, in order to make a point of order, but it cannot be used to actually mean anything other than a contrast to where God is to be found.
God does not stretch His holiness with sarcasm in any way, form nor shape, period!
As we interact with people driven by the mind of the flesh producing sarcasm,
then to point it out is only used for the sake of planting the seed of salvation from such dominated mind.
There is a very fine line between the humor with which God's joy is stregthening us, versus the sarcasm that irritates Him and weakens and divides us and keep us from effective service to spread the Kingdom.
In that sense, the revelation is coming to me at the moment, as to how much God's light for which I prayed for earlier on this thread, is the shining of His glory that makes us one.
Everything, anything and anyone who and which work to divide us, is of the flesh. I can not see where sarcasm and the Spirit can ever meet other than where the Spirit comes with the wisdom of God, turning sarcasm into His blend of humor.
"Keep us laughing with You dear Lord and keep us from the quick sand effect of sarcasm upon Your joy in each of us, Your children...amen to Your Yes in us all...
...all blessings be with us all...
Benoit Couture
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Ahh,
Thank you Benoit... That is what I was looking for. The dissecting of sarcasm in that way makes it very clear that it has no place or use for us as Believers. The root of anything will bring you to it's true purpose. Thank you.
Now, BlackSwan, you pointed out correctly that most of what I had mislabeled sarcasm is in actuality... satire. There is a distinct difference between the two. How then is satire to be viewed? This relates directly to the Adverts.
My particular thoughts on this are that...
1. There is to much truth to the adverts to really be funny for long.
2. I am saddened and sobered by the truth that they reflect.
3. IS this the desired effect that the creator of the satire wanted?
4. How would Christ view this and its effect?
Any thoughts on this?
"Too many clowns... not enough circuses." -unknown
From: NW Iowa
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To me, satire is one of the "electric" lights of a mind that runs independent of the Holy Spirit and by which the world enjoys itself.
Satire produces the power needed to stay in darkness, away from God's natural light of holiness.
Satire is one step in the escalation of unwise use of sarcasm, growing toward unsolvable arguments, conflicts, wars...
Does this offer a perspective?
Ps: A danger I see can be described by applying the saying: "Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder",
The same is true for sarcasm or satire. What sounds and/or reads like sarcasm or satire, may just be so in the eyes of the beholder while the mature saints and the Lord are laughing their guts out because of what actually goes on in the spiritul realm.
...all blessings be with us all...
Benoit Couture
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Benoit17;
In answer to your message of apology; thank you.
The humble apostles were called specifically by Jesus Himself, face to face, and witnessed Him ascend into Heaven, and have been given the right on Judgement Day to judge the the twelve tribes of Israel.
Moses, that prophet who expressed humility; through him God did amazing works, and even split an ocean because Moses raised his staff.
Jesus Himself compared the boasting Pharisee to the humble "sinner" and spoke about which was "right with God".
Humility is one of the things that marks a Christian, even a strong Christian, and I wish all would act as you did; if they did, I would not have posted a request to pray against evil people because there would be no one to pray against, only people to bless and be thankful for...
Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life
From: Australia
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Originally posted by Relic:
Benoit17;
...Humility is one of the things that marks a Christian, even a strong Christian, ... I would not have posted a request to pray against evil people because there would be no one to pray against, only people to bless and be thankful for...
An artic missionary once told me:
"Benoit, I see you struggle a lot because of the position that you use to view and to live life from. Remember that what God had to do to save humanity is done, it is in the past."
He then went on with a series of scriptures, explaining his conclusion that, everything is being moved in the "pro-Christ" motion through time. Those scriptures were:
"Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world. But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.
And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!” Therefore you are no longer a slave but a son, and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ." Gal 4, 3-7
"...having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself, that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth—in Him. In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will..." Eph 1,9-11
So the message of that missionary was: "Go for it, never against anything. The power of Christ is to assemble in God's reconciliation, and He has poured His Spirit upon all flesh to draw all persons unto Himself. Our strength is in staying personally assembled to the fulness of Christ from within, staying in His drawing movement through the time left until His return. It is by going with and for Christ that what stands against the Kingdom gets to be removed, not by going against it."
"Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power." Col 2, 8-10
Even regarding the devil, we are told to resist him and that he shall flee. The gates of hell is what stands against but which cannot prevail against the Church. She is the one who moves against those gates, not the individual servant of God.
That time with that missionary was 23 years ago or so. Much wisdom and life have been revealed over time as a result of that exortation.
It has grown to show me that where the Eternal has put His laws, in my heart and spirit, there lies the completion of fulness.
AGAINST SUCH FULNESS comes all the mortality of my soul and of my body, both of which get to be renewed by the discipline of practicing daily, the power of the cross and of following the Lord.
When the Lord returns, that mortality shall be removed from our soul and a new body shall be given to each participant of the first resurrection, but until then, eternal fulness of being and of living lies in our heart and spirit, moving day by day into the renewal of our souls and bodies...
"Dear Lord of all in all, bring each one to know how to stay where You abide eternally within our heart and spirit and guide us to live daily into the completing discipline of the cross for the mortality of our souls and bodies to be swallowed up by the eternal life You are in each and amongst us all.
Also, I pray that You show us how to resist the devil efficiently so that he flees effectively far from us.
Also, I pray that You show us how to live in such a way as to be in the completion of Your Church's work of preparation for Your return, so that the gates of hell do not prevail in any area of our being, living and moving...amen to Your YES in us all..."
...may all blessings be with us all...
Benoit Couture
Benoit17,
What you said reminded me of one of God's plans to cause a major repentance in the world.
As He led Israel out of Egypt and into the Promised Land, they acted as judges in God's Name and punished the peoples that currently dwelt in the land.
I believe God's plan was that Israel should be made a great nation- so great that other nations would look up to it, and learn to respect the God of Israel. Looking upon the might and beauty of Israel, they would have been encouraged to learn of this awesome God that was as of yet unknown to them, but made Himself heard of through the glory He brought to a nation- and I believe these other nations would have been taught of Him, and repented to be an example to yet more nations- these would then be an example for even more nations and so on.
So although God led Israel into the Promised Land and had them bring death unto the wicked to achive victory, His more important plan was based on victory not through death and slaughter, (although this would have been just considering who it would have been dealt against) but through Peace and Forgiveness. Through Israel "staying personally assembled to the fulness of Christ from within", as you said, God would have caused a massive repentance in the world through them...
If only they had stayed loyal!
I do believe that the Church, Christ's bride, "moves against the gates of hell", as you say, but I also think that individual servents must be the same.
After all, it is individual servents that form the very Church of Christ- an example of this comes from King David, when he alone fought Goliath becuase of the lack of faith of Israel. The principles of the world are the things that Christ is against; lies and deceit have no place in His Kingdom.
Sometimes God achieves victory through justly punishment, sometimes through Forgiveness.
You reminded me that the greater victories are usually achived through Forgiveness -through staying with Christ spiritually- rather than judgement.
I say Amen to your Prayer, Benoit17, and God has heard it. Prayer is very powerful when there is Righteousness and Faith.
Now I will say another prayer and would be happy for you to pray with me, since "when two or more people pray sincerely together, the Holy Spirit is truly with them":
Lord God, we are all sinners, and I pray to You as one, dirtied by my human selfishness: I pray that You work in all of our hearts, to make us in every way like You, to fill us with Your fruits and bless us with Wisdom and Understanding. I pray You protect us all in Your Holy Blood, our bodies, spirits and souls. I ask that You give hope to all Christians who are in times of suffering, pray that all worldly people repent and all Christians become closer to You. I pray that you destroy the works of the devil and his plans for us, that Your Name be glorified here on earth as it is Heaven, and over all things Your Will be done. Amen and amen.
Yet another long post I've made! Did you know that just the other day someone pointed out my habit of making long posts?
Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life
From: Australia
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Quote:
Originally posted by Relic:
Benoit17,
...I do believe that the Church, Christ's bride, "moves against the gates of hell", as you say, but I also think that individual servents must be the same.
After all, it is individual servents that form the very Church of Christ- an example of this comes from King David, when he alone fought Goliath...
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And I answered with:
"When Jesus came into the region of Caesarea Philippi, He asked His disciples, saying, “Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?”
So they said, “Some say John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”
Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”
Then He commanded His disciples that they should tell no one that He was Jesus the Christ." Mt 16,13-20
Relic, thank you for insisting that the individual beleiver has ground to move victoriously against the prevailing of the gates of hades.
The rock that the revelation of Who Jesus is, provides the basis for the victory over the power of death. This is why the Ortodox tradition carries the following in their arsenal against hades. They repeat,
"Lord Jesus-Christ, Son of God, have mercy upon me sinner"
until victory apears and/or reapears in their inner most being and that worship, praise and thanksgiving get restored to go on healthy.
Not so much the repeating but the resting upon the meaning of the words in that simple prayer has saved me and my loved ones more than once, because of its simplicity in covering the complete depth of Jesus' victory on earth, between heaven and hades.
In that way, that prayer acts as a perpetual point of entry into the law of spirit of life that sets us free from the law of sin and of death, because it calls upon the full power of the ministry of reconciliation.
The more I contemplate this fresh revelation dear Relic, the more I come to see that hades and our personal mortality operate together. From this point of view, mortality is seen as the gates of hades, where our instincts rule our souls and bodies from, as they are rooted in the nature we receive from mom and dad.
The revelation of Who Jesus-Christ is, once given by the Father Who is in heaven, is always an individual point of contact for each person, which gets executed by the Father revealing His Son with the gift of Their Spirit, participating to keep us in the divine company on earth, until Jesus returns.
This heavenly knowledge offers me fresh ground to re-enforce the personal key concept I use to keep the chartering of my individual history on earth, well grounded into God's calling for my life.
Because I am searching God to find out how His version of unity is to be lived by His people, and how it gets to be deployed from His calling in the context that He has set up my life into, this key concept of mine is:
"Going from the spiritual division of our DNA to the organic experience of spiritual unity"
Without such personal and communal journey, there is no possible house church.
"I bow my knees to the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, from whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, that He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with might through His Spirit in the inner man, that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; that you, being rooted and grounded in love, may be able to comprehend with all the saints what is the width and length and depth and height— to know the love of Christ which passes knowledge; that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.
Now to Him who is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us, to Him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus to all generations, forever and ever. Amen. Ep 3, 14-21
My name means: "The seam blessed of God". The seam being the family name and blessed of God being Benoit, my given name.
In my work for the Lord, the key concept becomes focused into opening "The Faculty of Living" where all human experience, knowledge, sciences and faculties meet in the assembling of mutual completion from out of competition.
This Faculty of Living is the human state of the Eternal's life in our midst, once hades gets to be overcome, namely, "The just shall live by faith".
Once God is pleased by the Faith coming alive and mature in a neighbourhood, we are then equipped to move on as one in this world with "God's one bank account operation". The scriptural basis for God's one bank account operation:
"If anyone among you seems to be wise in this age, let him become a fool that he may become wise. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, “He catches the wise in their own craftiness”; and again, “The LORD knows the thoughts of the wise, that they are futile.” Therefore let no one boast in men. For all things are yours: whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas, or the world or life or death, or things present or things to come—all are yours. And you are Christ’s, and Christ is God’s." 1 Cor 3,18-23
From here, the people either grow into the Church of Acts or hades goes on prevailing:
The "here"
being
"The Perpetual Celebration of Easter upon The Land of Immanuel", being the meeting of completion of the personal into the communal by God's presence, will and pleasure from our worship";
where the fulness of wholeness dwells...
Of course, at this point of the journey, with such personalized language and with a non-traditional aproach, I am alone with my wife, waiting for the Lord to take us into His completion movement, which goes with or without such personalized language and non-traditional aproach.
Some major house church movement call this completion, God's recovery plan and they go on re-inventing everything, as if God had fallen off the earth at some point, and yet, claiming to be where God is at on earth.
"The Perpetual Celebration of Easter upon The Land of Immanuel" is not a re-invention but a simplification of the Lord's message, from out of all Christian religiosity and into the final refining components of the Faith and of the Church, in which simplicity is restored into the fulness of God's glory in our midst.
God is working at the completion of that which He recovered by the work of Jesus. It is all finished. The need to invent a recovery comes from not knowing God's completion through time. This need to claim that God is recovering anything indicates ignorance of the words that proceed out of God's mouth, here and now.
I once tried to engage the people of this house church movement with the idea of God's one bank account operation and suddenly, it was a cahos of complexities, where the fulness of all in all vanished instantly into a theory that had no ground to be practiced in the midst of their doctrine.
So if the Lord allows me and my wife to actually begin to sprout into the completion of the Church with such a daring move as this "God's one bank account operation", then we will deploy our service into a community centre opened 24/7.
The centre will serve the neighbourhood by spreading The Faculty of Living, offering the victory over stress and the human compulsive nature.
The assurance I have to go on in such a pursuit is that there is only God Who can host such a process. It re-assures me greatly.
But to do so, He needs some bodies who offer themselves to Him as a living sacrifice, so that the spiritual service of worship does not get interrupted.
No interruption to the wroship in truth and in spirit means that the gates of hades no longer prevails, because the love of God is coming through in action and in truth, deploying God's Kingdom with Him drawing people into The Perpetual Celebration of Easter upon The Land of Immanuel...
...enough for now, I am starting to bulge of anticipation...
...please Lord, allow Yourself all the way to completion in my life and in all those whom You are leading to defeat hades from within ourselves to the extremities of the earth, now and for ever and ever. Show us how to live within Your one bank account operation and bring us to see Your Kingdom prosper in our midst, leading individual wealth to serve You with all the properity You have to offer...amen to Your YES in us all...
...all blessings be with us all...
Benoit Couture
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...to be continued...
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