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If the following context isn't sufficient, then I do have my growing topic list that'll be worth addressing a few other issues if we're ever going to resolve a great number of "what ifs".
Updated list of alternative topics: http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm
Here's some of my topics to being found within Paradoxicitis, another pro Skull and Bones forum cesspool:
LSE-CM/ISS instead of landing on the moon?
The coolest real estate upon Venus
Landing on the moon?
WARNING! Paradoxicitis is absolutely full of it
http://paradoxicitis.proboards27.com/index.cgi?board=general
There's much to offer humanity about those illumination spots that have been existing on Venus for centuries, more recently those illuminations of daytime no less and even as reported by folks stipulating they seen and recorded such illuminations on the nighttime season of Venus. Of course, I believe at least some illuminations upon Venus are most likely artificial, though lightning could explain a few smaller and of short duration illuminations.
This amount of focused illumination intensity is simply NOT at all ashen light (earthshine) upon Venus (unless we're talking via Boeing/TRW ABL cannon, as even that prospect has limitations), and as for the KECK-II recording of ionized O2 (greenish glow) was extremely wide-spread and thereby not likely of any spot of artificial illumination. The illumination spots I'm referring to are those BAA certified as offering a horrific energy output that was of a sustained nature, so I do not believe that we're talking about any sort of lightning events nor external influx of said light.
As for those highly unusual illumination zones upon our moon (as photographed by Apollo), these offer us quite another aspect of what's terribly wrong with their pictures, whereas unlike "Bob B." of NASA's apollohoax.com, of what that absolute moron and of his friend "JayUtah" telling folks to accept upon the notion that their infamous clumping-moon-dirt is somehow conditionally retro-reflective, as though that's going to explain away the sorts of side lighting as well as fill-in lighting, along with all of those illumination hot-spot zones as just representing your typical lunar sort of environment, perhaps as well as explaining why their KODAK film never recorded such horrific amounts of UV/a and near-UV spectrum intensity due to the lack of any filtering atmosphere nor via lens filter suitable for accommodating at least 256:1 greater spectrum worth of intensity upon the most sensitive yellow dye portion of their Kodak film, whereas within the 375 to 450 nm should have been recording certain stars as shifted right off the charts, and by a darn good factor of at last 512:1 at that, especially of Sirius.
The following pages are somewhat a healthy mix of apollohoax favor returning, plus many topics of what's to be realized about Venus, and there's always something interesting to being said of photons/atom, thus per m3. The pages were created on various dates, and updated and/or added to in order to reflect upon the sorts of warm and fuzzy flak I'm having to return. None of the following pages is in a text book format, nor intended to read as any book. If you simply don't understand something, and can't be bothered with asking a specific question, then simply don't bother looking because, you'll only read and believe in whatever your borg collective wants you to believe, at least that's exactly how I was as of nearly five years ago.
KODAK on steroids: http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-photo-entro.htm
Ashen Light: http://guthvenus.tripod.com/earthshine-moonshine.htm
Lights from Venus: http://guthvenus.tripod.com/illumination-spots.htm
Moon spots and photons: http://guthvenus.tripod.com/illunination-spots-02.htm
Interplanetary communications: http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-illumination.htm
A pair of astronauts telling lies: http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-hot-spots.htm
Photons/m3 and of photons at rest: http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-photons-m3.htm
Brief collection of most recent updates: http://guthvenus.tripod.com/update-242.htm
My alternate URL (mirror): http://geocities.com/bradguth
It seems honesty is in the eye of the beholder, which clearly stipulates that this is not a game for the blind, nor worthwhile for those easily snookered into believing anything their government tells them, such as for justifying the exterminations of tens of thousands over apparently invisible and/or stealth WMD. Though now that we've managed to piss off at least half the world (again), costing the global economy truthfully trillions, and of setting humanity back at least another decade, perhaps now would be as good of time as any to focus our remaining resources and talents a wee bit closer to home, such as for establishing the LSE-CM/ISS before someone besides America should accomplish this task, and otherwise of affordably establishing interplanetary communication with another world that's not frozen solid, pulverised and otherwise irradiated to death like Mars. Whereas Venus has loads of energy to spare, along with an environment that's livable to sufficiently evolved and obviously of folks a whole lot smarter than Earth humans, which BTW doesn't have to include anything as pathetic as radio.
Your feedback and a modus amount of flak is welcome, though if you toss out flak I'll certainly return the favor, and then some. What I'm looking for are other positive notions, of various solutions and alternatives for the humanity of either world, of which this may or may NOT include the likes of what our NASA has in mind.
10 worthy pro Venus life topics (in spite of Earth, inspite of NASA):
1) It took at least thousands of years for the onset of the Venus greenhouse, and that's well within the vast majority of what's already been published. Actually some have suggested a multi-million year transition, while I've suggested upon as little as 420 years worth if you applied the 1°K/year basis, though at 0.1°K/year yields a 4200 year transition.
2) Prior to becoming so greenhouse, Venus wasn't so hot and nasty, as going by the research of others and from what I can even see, as there was some rather considerable degree of warm surface fluids, as subsequent errosions clearly indicate where fluids or at least mud-like substances flowed, erroded the landscape and subsequently pooled into enormous lakes. Now those lakes are dry as a bone, yet their surroundings are not those erroded smooth as though sulpheric acid attacked every square inch for thousands of years, as oddly there's indications of more landscape sharpness than existing on Mars or perhaps even that of Earth.
3) The ambient pressure of life having to coexist on Venus has never been taboo for life as we know it, much less of life NOT as we know it. The French lab (COMEX) at the following page ( http://www.comex.fr/Pages1/Page6.html ) offers insights to what even mere humans can survive. Added pressure insures that the amount of O2 can become quite small, perhaps less than 1%, and the lack of free H2O means that even our human tolerance to CO2 is greatly enhanced.
4) Availability of energy is key to surviving just about anywhere, whereas unlike the sub-frozen and irradiated to death and otherwise pulverised by meteorite surface of Mars, Venus of all things offers an environment that's simply chuck full of energy alternatives, mostly those of renewable and of nearly unlimited capability. With said energy, it's been said that all sorts of insurmountable issues become surmounted. Like the process of CO2-->CO/O2 is rather an obvious energy application, and if you can't understand such principals of applied energy, then there's absolutely no point in your going into this topic any further.
5) Due to the rather unique seasons of their day or nighttime, those 2900+ hour events are most certainly offering a positive alternative for otherwise having to cycle through 24 hour torments of horrific thermal variations as here on Earth or Mars, whereas merely migrating from a sunrise event to a suitable sunset territory via rigid-airship seems rather primitive, though offering way more than a sufficient means as to a solution that's resolved by way of utilizing such appropriate transports in order to reach other suitable locations at whatever elevations. This is not my stipulating that Venus nighttime is sufficiently cooler as for accommodating mere humans, just that it's relatively cooler for those already existing on Venus, and that's all that matters.
6) Speaking of rigid-airships; that's yet another pro Venus sort of environment benefit, as their crystal clear ocean of mostly CO2 that's entirely surrounding their globe, this positive attribute offers not only terrific buoyancy (nearly 10% that of water), but unobstructed access to wherever, especially via their retrograde of atmospheric currents, of which below those thick clouds remains relatively calm. The necessary materials of alloys and composites and/or elements as for constructing and operating such rigid airships is also there to be had.
7) Venus has water, mega tonnes worth; even the likes of pure H2O can be easily and efficiently extracted from < 5.5e20 kg worth clouds and haze that contains 25% to as much as 33% H2O, especially accessable of the much cooler and lower elevation clouds that blanket their season of nighttime. Though it might be beneficial as to store that H2O within the formula of H2O2, as that permits less if any containment pressurization, as well as for allowing a subsequent on-demand extraction of H2O or of just the H2 portion can be taken as need be. BTW; absolutely none of this is of new science, certainly not of new physics, as those pesky laws of physics simply haven't changed nor been added to for decades.
8) The surface environment is clean, especially of the likes per available environment at the 10+km elevation of "Istar Terra" are not receiving one drop of sulphuric acid, at least not unless someone is intentionally retrieving such from the contents of those clouds. Raw polished mild steel would not oxidise nor tarnish in that surface environment, and of glass and ceramics, and especially of basalt fibers and composites would way more than suffice for the vast bulk of whatever life demanded.
9) Becoming more nocturnal seems only logical, as there's sufficient near-UV and of UV/a spectrum opacity through those nighttime clouds for even stars to illuminate, especially from time to time when there's the truly horrific amount of earthshine that's mostly offering the 450~750 nm spectrum. Thus seeing is not such a problem, especially if your nightvision has evolved into a magnitude 5 better off than our human sight. BTW; if you're more nocturnal and perhaps reptilian, chances are that the amount of free H2O isn't all that much of a factor.
10) Communications via the visible and of especially the near UV spectrum is certainly offering humanity the widest possible latitude of inter-species capability, although some degree of at least primitive intelligence is required, of which some day we humans may evolve into having that minimal degree of capability, though obviously for the moment there's darn little chance of our species ever communicating with ETs. We still can't seem to adequately communicate with 99% of what's living here on Earth, though we've devised countless ways of killing off whatever and whomever we don't happen to like, of course then we invent ourselves a suitable God or contrive upon some will of God that somehow justifies our actions beforehand, as well as after the fact, and I could certainly name countless examples if you'd care to exploit those issues.
As for those intent upon opposing this honest humanitarian notion, of my exploring into what's more likely supportive of life on Venus than not, there's obviously a firewall of somewhat deeply rooted underlying guilt to circumnavigate, or of perhaps some immoral mainstream intent and ulterior motives as to snooker others at all cost, as opposed to furthering this affordable and humanly obtainable research of just having ourselves another open-book look-see at whatever Venus has to offer. Hopefully this is not for the notion of creating some future pillaging motive, but of a purely humanitarian and historical inquiry that'll shed appropriate light upon a number of "what ifs". Although, if this is still asking too much, or represents something that's simply too far outside your mainstream status quo box, then perhaps there's nothing other worth speaking of that's within your box, at least not with any respect to those claiming as being "all knowing", yet quite willing and able to skew those laws of physics in order to suit only their agendas.
Fortunately, I don't have to waste my life covering all those Earth only and/or anti-other-life issues, as that's already being well covered by the official expertise that's in place, as I've already received way more than my fair share of their warm and fuzzy flak. However, if you insist upon adhering to their anti-life facts (especially if that's ET life), by just going into any one of hundreds of NASA moderated sites and/or institutional linked sites taking their grants and funds from your own pocketbook, and you'll learn exactly what their all-knowing collective wants you to learn, and nothing else.
This following is essentially the wider spectrum of what Brad Guth thinks:
1) there's been other life on Venus, though perhaps a whole lot smarter than Earth humans and, certainly having evolved long enough to have adapted in spite of the onset of their greenhouse environment, which by the way could have taken 4200 years to fully develop, especially since the passing introduction of massive UV illumination from Sirius, which at the peak of Sirius illumination could have cut their CO2 by significant amounts.
2) The moon is certainly well worth our going for, even if it's for the first time, as there's He3 or 3He all over the place, or at least not all that far into the surface. Though it would certainly be a rather good sort of thing as having that LSE-CM/ISS or GMDE (Guth Moon Dirt Express).
3) Mars isn't worth squat, at least so far all the news is essentially old news, as well as old science. In other words, there's been no new science delivered from Mars, as it's still way too damn cold and thoroughly irradiated to death, along with a gauntlet worth of those pesky meteorites and their shards to manage through, and BTW; you can't breath, nor is there enough raw resource of energy there to make due, therefore everything for sustaining us humans must be imported, as exporting isn't even an option. In other words; energy in = energy out.
The ongoing Sirius research (since we can't send a probe there) shouldn't cost us the sorts of Mars billions, though I'm fairly certain that our NASA can find their usual way about making such into another multi-billion dollar spin-off. Otherwise I fully agree about our going for the moon, even if it's for the very first time, as we can always utilize another one of those "so what's the difference" policy corrections, at least it's way more affordable and closely related to Earth sciences than anything Mars, and should thereby immediately benefit humanity. Just the VLA-SAR imaging capabilities alone well knock our socks off.
Check out these Sirius related pages, here it's more or less of mortal creationism or perhaps terraforming than not, though Gods are certainly welcome;
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/sirius-co2.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-moon-venus-sirus.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/sirius-terraforms-earth.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/moon-venus-sirius.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-sirius-diatoms.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-nasa-ice-ages.htm
BTW; In spite of it being so hot and nasty, there's still way more than a darn good chance of there being other life of some sort coexisting on Venus: http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
David Sereda offers his honest ideas and notions of either applied UV energy or of secondary emmissions being UV, and for best impact on this one you'll really need to barrow or purchase his video tape: http://www.ufonasa.com
Some good but somewhat difficult warlord readings: SADDAM HUSSEIN and The SAND PIRATES and of many newer books.
http://alaskapublishing.tripod.com
http://mittymax.com/Archive/0085-SaddamHusseinAndTheSandPirates.htm
The latest round of insults to this Mars/Moon/Venus class action injury:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-what-if.htm
Some other recent file updates:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-gwb-moon.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-interplanetary.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-illumination.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-moon-02.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/moon-04.htm
Regards, Brad Guth / IEIS~GASA
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Dec 28, 2003
I can't count how many times I've been asked to give a so called "plain english outline" of my "Other Life NOT as we know it" existing on Venus. You folks should know better, since my dyslexia creates some rather unusual throughput, you may want to read some of my pages from the bottom up.
However, it seems I've more than been there and done that "plain english" thing. Though every time I've tried to enlist folks that seem to suggest that they know absolutely everything there is, they're the ones that start off by using terminology and highly complex syntax that's clearly intended to support their view that of absolutely anything NASA being the word of God, or of at least the moderated word of their pagan God.
Three years ago I started off with merely observations of a few highly unusual pixels, then after dodging a few too many rounds of incoming flak, I started myself off to learn of the sorts of physics laws that seem to uphold the promise of other life, at least a whole lot more so than not, with respect to a planet like Venus.
As opposed to Mars, I've learned that of such a frozen and irradiated to death planet, any signs of life (even relatively minute life) would have given off thermal signatures, of which there's been squat worth of nothing. This is not to stipulate that intelligent life didn't once survive on Mars, whereas the available and rather abundent natural energies of Venus, as well as the atmospheric shielding from cosmic as well as solar flak, seems to more than indicate upon what I'm seeing as those potentially artificial attributes could in fact have been hosting survivors in spite of their hot and nasty greenhouse.
Since others, supposedly smarter than I, are more capable of comprehending upon all the "what if" aspects of any planet such as Venus, it seems rather unusual that these folks haven't been the least bit interested in honestly pitching in, though always willing and able as to spending their valuable time and talents upon tossing flak my way. Instead, they suggest upon myself going about discovering and proving out absolutely everything from top to bottom, and as such, insisting that I alone take all the credits for absolutely everything, even though I've offered to share in the vast bulk of what Venus has to offer. So, if the opposition is intent upon investing their time and talents as only looking for the sort of science that upholds the status quo, it seems the burden of proving that life is supposedly impossible is clearly not upon myself, but upon those claiming as knowing all there is, as to either put up or shut up, as otherwise I'll gladly return the favor.
Perhaps because I'm not smart enough (being the village idiot and all), in that I still can not find the degree of their science, nor whatever those laws of physics that stipulates how life on Venus is impossible, much like I can't entirely exclude the possibility of whatever is currently frozen and irradiated on Mars hasn't sufficiently mutated it's DNA into surviving in spite of the sort of demise that would have exterminated all humans, especially the sort of pathetically arrogant ones that seem to have been suggesting that they're the best this Earth has to offer, of which is obviously a rather bold statement that even their smarts isn't good enough to have survived on Mars nor Venus.
Of course, there's been loads of cold-war motivations and hidden agendas getting in my way, especially anything of the moon or of it's He3 contents and, because I'm not as smart as most others, I haven't identified a good circumventing solution to all their well cultivated and orchestrated "nondisclosure" aspects of astrophysics, astronomy nor many other associated aspects of having to discover and/or learn about things on that "need to know" basis.
In plain english:
1) there's been life on Venus.
2) there's ample signs of said life on Venus.
3) the laws of physics clearly support life on Venus.
4) there's a likely rigid airship mode of transport on Venus.
5) them there nighttime clouds of Venus are not so hot and nasty.
6) vertical atmospheric pressure differential of kinetic energy is doable.
7) interplanetary laser calls using a quantum packet of near UV has been doable.
8) implementing our moon as for boosting VLA-SAR imaging as well as for laser communications has been doable.
Line items 9 through 99 are those equally worth doing, and/or for learning of at least what not to do with respect to discovering another populated planet that's easily within mutual reach.
Ask a specific question and I'll give a specific answer to the best of my abilities. It's always been that simple. The only folks causing trouble in River City are those intent upon keeping things exactly as they've been, even if that means telling lies and thereby being liars intent upon snookering the entire world if need be.
There now, how's that for using plain english?
Regards, Brad Guth / IEIS~GASA "guthvenus" and "lse-cm/iss"
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GUTH Venus and the extraordinary proof
Oct 14, 2002
How much further extraordinary proof is required?
21 months ago I discovered and/or uncovered what all the wizards and lords of NASA could not; "life on Venus" or at least the remains of such.
NASA's 13 years and counting, worth of their entirely missing this opportunity is far more damaging then anything Apollo related, even though those Apollo issues are in fact what's most likely keeping this discovery from the public.
Unlike what NASA's moles of "spin" and "damage control" may have to say about "GUTH Venus" and myself, they're flat out lying and I'm not, it's that simple and I can prove it.
If you would like to improve upon my delivery, upon the facts and as to making whatever corrections, I'll insure that you receive the credits for doing such.
Some of my research might be considered as "inaccurate", if so that's not intentional but simply because others have been so afraid to comment, afraid of what repercussion their "nondisclosure" cult policy might hold and as such, subsequently impact with a whole lot more then any mere reprimand from their God.
My alternate URL: http://geocities.com/bradguth
Regards, Brad Guth / IEIS http://guthvenus.tripod.com
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