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| | | Subject: Oak needs a Psychiatrist
Posted Jun 25, 2007 by smackhard
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1.)If something called Tejo Mahal already existed before Taj it should have been famous already.
2.)If this was done to a hindu temple, Indian History should have a witness to an historical riot against this action which is not found in the records.
3.)What were the indian people or better say the hindus doing for 22 years when "Tejo Mahal" a hindu temple was being transformed into a tomb of a muslim queen
4.)Oak was also foolish enough to conclude that Mecca the holy place of the muslims and Vatican were spiritual places of hindus ?
5.)The architecture is purely islamic.
Get a life ....
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| | | Subject: Oak needs a Psychiatrist
Posted Jul 4, 2007 by swanand
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2. This statement about riots is also foolish. Does every proof should have a histroy of riots? I think the fellow who has made these statements knows very little about Hindu culture and its motives. If you want to know about Hindu culture you should start from some stories of Panchtantra. In India many thrones were shifted without riots.
3. Indian / Hindus can do a lot but this is not a Babri Masjid.
4. Mr. Oak doesnot say that the monuments of Mecca and Vatican, which are seen today were spritiual places of hindus but the places and some internal structures and remains are considered for proving it.
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| | | Subject: Oak--he's telling the truth
Posted Jul 7, 2007 by vprashantha
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| | islam is always using thier term of rules is destroy and conquere.
we know this allready 9000 years back this evidance can be get by doing yoga of your own. do the meditation you will know what's this is universe meant for....?
we hindu people never fight for themselfs ..like if our temple was taken by islam or muslims..we dont' bother abouth let them take...only the truth will prevail in the near feature.
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| | | Subject: Oak needs a Psychiatrist
Posted Jul 7, 2007 by vramana_99
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| | 1) History is always suppressed by conquerors. Dont you have that simple common sense ?
2) Riots cannot happen when the state or rulers themselves are murderers and inhumane !!
3) Same as #2
4) Islam and Christianity are kids in terms of life span compared to Hinduism. In hindu scriptures timecycles have been mentioned that are very close to what modern science believes as far are the age of Universe is concerned, ie. 4.3 billion years. The Hindu scriptures that have been passed on thru generations orally have mentioned the about the life that existed even million years back. So, without lack of prove otherwise, its very much possible that Hinduism was the only prevalent religion million years back and perhaps mecca and vatican were Hindu spiritual places.
5) So what ???
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| | | Subject: Oak needs a Psychiatrist
Posted Aug 16, 2007 by upyourfacehindus
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| | Hindus are peaceful my ass.
1.)Caste system still exists in rural India
2.)You Kill girls.
Quote: Swanand "There are many ancient monuments, Temples, forts, and ancient sculptures in India which are not known to the world so they are not famous. This study and findings about Tejo Mahalaya not Tejo Mahal are very recent and was supressed due to political clout. So this statement of famousness is foolish."
First i need to PARDON your broken dictionary before making you take it up your face.
More than 140 nuns have been raped by murdered by Hindu activists who oppose Christianity's Growth in India and you call yourself peaceful ? i have been to your country and let me tell you that the place where i stayed was full of slums and no one was bothered about them. and a beggar was verbally abused only because he entered a local lodge to beg for some pennies. You are not what you are to them as you are to us. Your approach to foreign visitors is fake, the love and gratitude by which you welcome us is nothing but an attempt to make an impression.
when i asked the manager about this he was like leave it 'Sabaji' "You nothing to do with this".
smackhard's points make sense, if a small hindu temple were to be brought down in India by muslims it will hit CNN News inspite of being local, here we are speaking of something that has been voted as a "wonder of the world" and you say it was supressed. "GET A LIFE"
besides that the Taj Mahal and its present architecture is purely Islamic, the four minarets are similar to what we find at Mosques, the reason why Taj seems so beautiful. i don't think will appear as beautiful as it is if it was having Hindu architecture and design.
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| | | Subject: Oak needs a Psychiatrist
Posted Jul 23, 2008 by world_weneedpeace
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| | I'm a citizen of Republic of India and by birth I'm Hindu. I'm here, neither to support nor against Hiduism or Indians. I'm here to share something. Mr.Oak is dead. He doesnt need a Psychiatrist anymore even if he does. Hope this put an end to this Subject - "Oak needs a Psychiatrist".
Regarding Taj Mahal controversy; My point of view is :
It is absurd arguing Who's Taj Mahal is? Who built Taj Mahal? Muslims or Hindus?
Who ever has built it? It has been built. It is build by humans. Protected by humans all these years, and now??? we fight? for what??
Everybody likes Taj Mahal, Everybody marvels its beauty. Everybody includes Hindus, Muslims, Christians and others...
Forget about the past, whos it was? Since it is in Indian soil, does it mean it belongs to India? Imagine where India is? earth! and earth? Universe!. If we compare with universe we are mere atoms, even much smaller than that. and yet we fight, we argue, we kill, we die. Are we humans? or Animals under the skin of humans.
Humanity! Where is it? We lack humanity. We differentiate ourselves by various reasons.
What is Taj Mahal? Its a building. A beautiful building. What if it is a mausoleum or Shiva temple? Its an architectural beauty. Admire the beauty. Learn architecture. Get good knowledge out of it.
To whom it belongs? Its a world heritage. One of the wonders of the world. It belongs to all of us; to humans, not only humans but also every living creature that can understand, admire and express.
How old it is? It is very old, infact dying. Still it is beautiful. Is is our responsibility for its longevity. We are responsible for everything happening to Taj Mahal, either good or bad. Definitely, it needs attention but not this way. Why dont we just stop arguing, stop fighting, instead, we will unite to protect it. I understand it is difficult but it is not impossible.
Just think for a while. Try to reason yourself. Put yourself in the middle, no partiality. Judge yourself. If you still wanna fight, just fight for a cause, fight for humanity, fight for peace. WORLD PEACE.
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FELLOW HUMAN
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| | | Subject: Oak needs a Psychiatrist
Posted Jul 23, 2008 by world_weneedpeace
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| | Regarding those nuns;
I feel terribly sorry for them. Its a shame. Hinduism never encouraged violence. And not all Hindus are bad. A true hindu can never involve himself in violence unless it is utterly needed. If I was there during that incident; I would've chosen violence as a last step, not to kill those nuns (humans)but to stop those activists (humans)..
Mordernisation has ruined us and everyone else. Everyone has the right to preach and practise their own religion. Similarly no one has the right to force or even ask to convert religion. Religion is what one believes. Its a belief. It is individual's wish to practise what he believes.
Religions are being commericialised, involved in politics in modern world. Religions remain in their original state but people change, their ideals change and they blame religion for that. what an atrocity? We are divided by religion, and being divided... no one ever tries to understand.. we are humans, made of flesh and blood, we have wonderful heart to love and amazing brain to understand, reason and express.
Stop fighting, start living.
If you wanna fight, fight for peace.. world needs it.
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Fellow Human
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| | | Subject: Oak needs a Psychiatrist
Posted Sep 10, 2008 by skurudi
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| | There are many things in Indian History which has been kept secret
1) The number of temples destroyed by Ghazni and Ghori, these Islam rulers thought that destroying temples and building mosques as there religious duty.
2) The number of Hindus killed during Muslim rule is still a mystery
3) The number of temples destroyed in Kashmir is also countless.
There are so many attrocities which are kept secret and are not revealed in Indian History books.
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| | | Subject: Oak needs a Psychiatrist
Posted May 6, 2009 by Sureshkumar12111
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| | Mr Oak Who are u?
give your brief detail?
First I would like to say u, dont spread wrong information, you want to make war among Indians, You have taken good way to make indians fool.
Again Hindu Muslim will fight like Babri Masjid, Again many common and innocent people who ever it may b will killed by some bloody idiots.
Again some terrorist will take birth,
Again our india will face much problems.
Many indians will b killed in this case,
Politicians will take good chance for winning the election.
They will continuesly open this issue in every election.
Whoever will die in this, Mr Oakm, you will b the responsible.
Bcause you have created this balalaalal.
My Kindly request you to stop this all bakwas, keep it with you only, you entertain your self. dont indulge innocent people in this. you have devil mind, So please keep it with your self.
For your Kind infomaion.
Whatever proofs you have given is not sufficiant, asked it with your heart?
ok for a sec I will agree with your proofs,
But this is good enough to know that Muslims only given many visiting places to india.
What did hindus Rulers for india?
They ruled sayin that SC St?
Muslim Rulers said, No one is SC and ST. All human Beings are equal.
Do you know the name, Hindustan Given by akber, if they are bad then why he has given this name to india?
Why Akbar restricted tax from Hindus, For yatra?
Why Mohammad Gouri said, Nobody is chamar and nobody is from lower group?
Why mohammed Gouri has given equal rights to Dalits in his period.
So many things abt india boss.
I dont have time to write.
My appeal to indians.
Dont Listen
Dont read these kind of articals
and dont beleive on these kind of articals.
Other wise again many deaths and wars will happened, between hindus and muslims.(Might b your relatives or your family members get effected of these war)
now its depends on you how will u take it.
We are Indian, We have Proud to be indians.
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| | | Subject: Oak needs a Psychiatrist
Posted Jun 20, 2009 by sathu108
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| | The whole world is getting duped. Its shocking. Along with Taj Mahal I think we have to probe many other sites like Jama Masjid, Red fort, qutab minar, Ajmer mosque,once a hindu temple...
Those who have invaded India should not have their name on any monument, their name should be removed once for all.
Both shahjahan & aurangzeb are rascals who usurped temples all over india & converted them into mosques.
All these hypocrites who ruled india for 800 years were able to convert only 25% of the population to their pseudo faith.
I think All Muslims in south asia are duplicate or converted.
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| | | Subject: Oak needs a Truth
Posted Jul 18, 2009 by jishna
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| | Guys I am neither a Hindu nor a Muslim nor a christian... I am Indian...
Let it be a Hindu Shiva temple, or a muslim grave yard for the kings.
Let it be Taj Mahal or Tejo Mahalya…
Does any of these things got to bother u guys…
For all I believe this is a penny less argumentation…
The peacock throne is gone in this Taj Mehal, the gold that was flourished on the walls are also missing, the 700 wives are also not there to tell which is true or false… If these things were there will that provide any food for me or in other words will it give me any money for us in this ression time… 
If Dr.Oak says something then why cant we show ‘em for his project.
He will not be getting Doctorate for nothing right.
And ofcourse it’s with the help of UN… where its office is in Chennai only.
They are having enough money to build us another TAJ MAHAL.
If it also helps to clear all our depths for the Indian government then it can also help us to improve our life style.
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| | | Subject: Oak needs a Psychiatrist
Posted Jul 23, 2009 by Politicalpost
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| | In response to your post:-
1.) The very name Taj Mahal means Crown Palace. Tej for crown and Mahal for palace. If it was really named after Mumtaz' tomb they would have selected words sounding as such.
2.) India was defeated by Mughals Kings starting with Barbur, a descendant of Ghengis Khan,a Mongol Empire King-from a uncultured and ruthless tradition that squashed any religious riots that's why we don't see any historical writing of it. Five generations of Barbur ruled that part of India to transform the original culture.
3.) Did not get your third statement. But my 2.) statement answers it. But let me add if Mughals came from cultured origin would they not have such wonderful structures in Persia or their original place Turkey. If their ancestors Ghengis Khan came from cultured society would he not built a Palaces like Taj Mahal in his Mongolia empire?
4.)Muslim religion is relatively new. It came into existence only 1500 years ago.What was Arabia before then? It was known as Arvastan, origin from Sanskrit "Arva=horse" and "sthan=place" So from ancient times Arabia was famous for it's horses. Arabia peninsula was part ancient Silk Routes to India and China. Christianity is only 600 years older than Islam. When Alexander the Great in about 300 B.C conquered all lands up to Current India, he had established relationship with India where cultural exchanges took place between Greeks and India when they established embassy in each other land. Apart from religion, mathematics, philosophy, astronomy influences may have exchanged. Famous Pythagoras theorem would not make sense in Greek or Roman numerals where V*2=IV*2+III*2 it's not possible to think that formula with that numerals except ancient vedic decimal numerals where 3*2+4*2=5*2.So even Pythagoras had an influence from India. That formula was already in existance in India in trigonometric form sinA*2+ CosA*=1. Prof Oak was not foolish because he has the similar concept of how languages transformed from origianl root Sanskrit.
5.) What is your basis to say architect is purely Islamic? I suppose you may say that because of the Dome on Taj Mahal. I am currently researching any ancient Islamic Mosques that have dome that predates Taj Mahal, which was the first influence for Islamic architects. All Mosques that I checked so far exists after 1600. From the carbon dating it is believed that Taj Mahal was built in or about 1100 A.D.
An Enlish architect E.B. Havell in 1912 established building of domes is of Vedic origin in India.His original book is on internet free. Please read it.
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| | | Subject: Oak--he's telling the truth
Posted Sep 15, 2009 by amin_ajani
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u say "islam is always using their term of rules is destroy and conquere."
first of all, i would like to tell you that Islam always believes in Peace.
Looking at the followers of islam, one cannot judge about islam.
cant digest it? well ill explain u:
Lets suppose u bought a Mercedes BMW. And u are a novice driver.
U get inside the vehicle , drive and end up killing an old man beneath the tyres.
Was it your fault or the vehicle's?
i hope the reader knows the answer.
So, Islam is just like the BMW.
Its great, but some of their "Drivers" are not worthy.
"The best religion in the world is Islam. And the worst people in the world are Muslims"
Thanks.
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