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Posted Mar 3, 2005 by Mrs Zen - has Google Wave <smug>
Shazz, what you say is always interesting - no apologies necessary.
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Posted Mar 3, 2005 by Blues Shark - For people who like this sort of thing, then this is just the sort of thing they'll like
I don't think there's much doubt that as far as the IT community are concerned, HooToo has lost out to Wikipedia. The media have switched from praising Hootoo to praising Wikipedia almost entirely, so far as I have seen.
Wikipedia certainly seems to lack the aggressiveness of HooToo, to be honest.
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Posted Mar 3, 2005 by Mrs Zen - has Google Wave <smug>
So what makes us agressive?
I am well informed and write clearly
You are opinionated and articulate
Hoo is, frankly, terrifying 
It's a serious question though. What incidents and events make us agressive?
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Posted Mar 3, 2005 by BouncyBitInTheMiddle
'What's wrong with the _____?' type threads for a start.
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Posted Mar 3, 2005 by Mrs Zen - has Google Wave <smug>
Yeah, I have always loathed and ignored those. 
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Posted Mar 3, 2005 by Kelli - 89/89 pre-babies weight reached. 7/21 to wedding weight
I hesitate to bring this up really, but it does answer some of Ben's earlier questions...
What keeps me here is the people and the quality of the conversation, what drives me away is the people and the quality of the conversation  . The thing that has kept me away from large areas of hootoo recently has been a certain personal diagreement between certain researchers that was cropping up in almost every interesting thread for a while, derailing the discussion or changing its direction to topics that have been discussed many times before. This has calmed down a bit of late, but I think it added to the overall adversarial atmosphere and made the areas of the site where it happened feel very personally aggressive.
*ducks*
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Posted Mar 3, 2005 by Mrs Zen - has Google Wave <smug>
Yep. Which is why I am out of the mainstream debates too.
What else?
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Posted Mar 3, 2005 by Blues Shark - For people who like this sort of thing, then this is just the sort of thing they'll like
I'm not going to answer the aggression point on two threads.
Besides, Kelli has dais it for me.
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Posted Mar 3, 2005 by Blues Shark - For people who like this sort of thing, then this is just the sort of thing they'll like
said, even.
Articulate? Maybe. Though less so when typing with sausages strapped to my fingers...
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Posted Mar 3, 2005 by Blues Shark - For people who like this sort of thing, then this is just the sort of thing they'll like
Anybody coming across some of the threads involving Denver might conclude that their was aggression involved - on both sides. Anybody might equally conclude the same from Hoo's hounding of JTP (and others) and more recently Hoo and Blicky's behavior towards VA as nothing short of playground bullying.
Arguements on HooToo have a tendency to become very heated and very personal very quickly. A thread that starts of reasonably, like the original 'Whats wrong with America' thread can quickly descend into vituperative back-biting and personal slanging matches. The 'Whats wrong with the French' thread was little more than that to start with. 2Bit quite openly tells all new users from the states that the site has an anti-US bias, which while I don't believe it to be true is certainly a perception that could be gained.
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Posted Mar 3, 2005 by Blues Shark - For people who like this sort of thing, then this is just the sort of thing they'll like
Bl**dy servers aren't helping either. I sent that post (#30) nearly 20 minutes ago...
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Posted Mar 3, 2005 by Mrs Zen - has Google Wave <smug>
Certainly I've felt very much the foreigner on more USian sites. I had thought this site was International, now I think it is British with immigrants & ex-pats. If you see what I mean.
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Posted Mar 3, 2005 by WanderingAlbatross - Wing-tipping down the rollers of life's ocean.
What's a _______? type thread. The answer is probably in h2g2 somewhere I haven't bothered to look in or am uninterested in but from here it looks a bit cliquee.
Doesn't the adversarial, agressive slant make for a more robust and hence informed debate. Peer review could be termed adversarial but it's purpose is to improve the overall quality of whatever is being reviewed. I've noticed that users tend to congregate in threads that suit them. Same as real life, you don't go into a cosy village local if you want big screen sport, happy hour double slammers and wet tea shirt competitions. Soft and fluffy and overly pc threads don't suit users who want some edge and anarchy around the debate.
Also, isn't trying to keep up with Wikpedia a ratings game that are now off the BBC agenda.
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Posted Mar 3, 2005 by Mrs Zen - has Google Wave <smug>
Was it ever on the BBC's agenda?
Traveller in Time was referring to the "What's wrong with Americans?" "What's wrong with the French" threads in Ask.
Actually - dare I say it - but does the dumbing down of Ask and it's flooding with games put people off h2g2? Though that one should be asked and answered here, I guess: F19585?thread=603641
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Posted Mar 3, 2005 by Blues Shark - For people who like this sort of thing, then this is just the sort of thing they'll like
Not really a question of 'keeping up' with Wikipedia, but if the Board of Governors (or whatever they are now) wants to cast an eye over savings, they may well conclude that 'competing' with Wikipedia is no longer what hootoo does well, and thus, what is it's reason for existence.
How is the licence payer well served by something which another site does better? This was, after all, the reason that all the cult sites were axed. The BBC running a Buffy site when the US owners of the show can do it soooo much better...
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Posted Mar 3, 2005 by Mrs Zen - has Google Wave <smug>
Which is precisely the reason for working out what we do better than Wikkipaedia, because clearly there *are* things we do better than Wikkipaedia but it is easy to take them for granted and not tell people about them.
It is also a reason for challenging whether or not the Edited Guide should be our primary purpose. It does appear to be our primary purpose at the moment, but does that mean our secondary purposes don't matter? I am interested that the consensus seems to be that intelligent, open and informed debate are an important part of h2g2. Maybe that should be promoted as a joint primary purpose?
I would like Lucinda to get involved in this debate, but I guess I can read his backlog to find out his stated reasons for leaving.
But you've put your fin on it, Blues, if h2g2's raisen d'etre is the Edited Guide, and Wikkipaedia does it better, then should the BBC be spending your money and mine on this site?
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Posted Mar 3, 2005 by KerrAvon - Regret is a part of life. But keep it a small part.
Yes, because the EG is *not* a poor cousin of wikipedia, as others have said.
To me, it's the difference between Encyclopaedia Britanica and a Lonely Planet Guide. Both are needed, and they serve two different functions.
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Posted Mar 3, 2005 by Mina - Older on the outside, inside still 14
Had Wikipedia even started when the BBC bought h2g2? I've never for one moment thought that the Beeb wants h2g2 to compete with Wikipedia. It really baffles me when people keep comparing them, one is a site written by people about what they know, which makes it interesting to read. The other is the equivilent of the Encyclopedia Britanica, they want something about everything, they are written to be full of facts (although I am sure they intend them to be interesting).
h2g2 is a helpful friendly Guide, not full of dry facts. People tend to read a guidebook, with an encyclopedia you get in, get what you want, and get out again, and I think that's the difference. Wikipedia has totally different goals - I believe it's a registered charity (or part of it is).
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Posted Mar 3, 2005 by Mina - Older on the outside, inside still 14
ergh, scary (slow) simpost that is almost exactly the same as KAs. 
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Posted Mar 3, 2005 by Blues Shark - For people who like this sort of thing, then this is just the sort of thing they'll like
Undoubtedly true, but will the *Board* see it that way?
Remember we are talking about people who have probably next to no IT savvy and will look at what fellow 'media savvy' types tell them rather than loking into the thing themselves...
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