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No Global Warming for Ten Years .. So why?

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Message 1 - posted by Junk2Rubbish, Mar 25, 2008

Although I can be a sure that there are plenty of interested parties on hand to provide lots of excuses as to why (i.e tax hungry politicians and "Green Energy" zealots), it is a fact that there has been no global warming since 1998.

That's ten years of increases in carbon dioxide levels without any further warming in the real world. (Of course there's been plenty of warming in the junk-in-junk-out competer models though)

So just why are we paying carbon taxes?

The answer is that too many have a vested interest in collecting taxes and dishing out subsidies without regard to science and cannot afford to drop the political dogma.

It really is time to sort out the energy mess were laying for ourselves now before its too late!

Well I for one am well stocked up with candles and ready for when the wind drops at the wind farms!

(And I haven't forggoten that it's our unrepresentative government in Brussels that is leading us on our economically suicidal charge into the stone age.)
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Message 2 - posted by VeryTrue, Mar 25, 2008

What are you talking about? 2007 was globally the eighth warmest year on record, exceeded only by 1998, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006 and 2006. And if there were no global warming, what would be the odds in a temperature record dating back to 1850 that the eight warmest years would all have been in the last decade. Take a look for yourself:
www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cr...

And before you get all over-excited about the apparent flattening off in the data in the last couple of years, just look at the noise on previous years. Although the over-all trend is unequivocal, there is no significant infomation in just a couple of years.

Now, whether that warming has a human cause or not is somewhat more open to discussion, but only really with people who are intelligent enough to interpret data in some vaguely objective manner rather than letting their political prejudices dictate their conclusions.

As for the "it's all a conspiracy to make money" nonsense, I am personally always suspicious of anyone whose first recourse is to invoke a conspiracy theory. More rationally, though, the Government would make a huge amount more money by give tax breaks to gas-guzzling cars and raking in the profits on the extra petrol tax.

As for Brussels (oo, what a surprise -- another conspiracy theory), you would have thought that even you would be bright enough to understand that a global problem needs a somewhat bigger picture solution than your preferred little england would allow.
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Message 3 - posted by Junk2Rubbish, Mar 25, 2008

Although I can be a sure that there are plenty of interested parties on hand to provide lots of excuses

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Yep ... I knew I could count on you VT
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Message 4 - posted by U5209345, Mar 25, 2008

Although I can be a sure that there are plenty of interested parties on hand to provide lots of excuses
Yep ... I knew I could count on you VT

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Not for much longer J2R - if you're going to dual with him, better make it quick ;-)
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Message 5 - posted by VeryTrue, Mar 25, 2008


Yep ... I knew I could count on you VT

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What makes you think I am an "interested party?" I am getting green taxed just like anybody else. In fact, since I work in engineering, probably more green taxed than most. Or by "interested parties," do you just mean anyone who shows sufficient interest to look at the data rather than jumping to a conclusion that suits their political prejudice? In that case then I would have to agree that I am definitely a more interested party than you.
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Message 6 - posted by U5209345, Mar 25, 2008

I meant 'duel' <doh>
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Message 7 - posted by beerboy6, Mar 25, 2008

So are you saying VT that J2R does not have a point? I think he does.

Several very respected scientists have stated that ALL the planets in our solar system are also experiencing global warming.

I may be wrong but, I don't think all the other planets have cars and busses and lorries and factories and ................
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Message 8 - posted by mike126, Mar 25, 2008

Are they the scientist who told some bloke called Bush there was no such thing until some of the American oil companies admitted there was a problem or are they the "scientist" who have no scientific training but had a book that they wanted to sell?
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Message 9 - posted by The_Higgler, Mar 25, 2008

Are they the scientist who told some bloke called Bush there was no such thing until some of the American oil companies admitted there was a problem or are they the "scientist" who have no scientific training but had a book that they wanted to sell?

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On this one <ok> Big time.
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Message 10 - posted by VeryTrue, Mar 25, 2008

For a fairly sensible discussion of the questions about whether warming is occuring elsewhere in the Solar System, see www.badastronomy.com...
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Message 11 - posted by Junk2Rubbish, Mar 26, 2008

What are you talking about?.....
Take a look for yourself:
www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cr...

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After you've looked there, there's plenty of food for thought out on YouTube.

This four part presentation, for example:
www.youtube.com/watc...
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Message 12 - posted by VeryTrue, Mar 26, 2008


After you've looked there, there's plenty of food for thought out on YouTube.

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Yes, all those videos of people lighting their own farts -- that must contribute substantially to global warming.


This four part presentation, for example:

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I rather like the description of the Lavoisier Foundation (where the lecture in question was delivered) as being

devoted to the proposition that basic principles of physics...cease to apply when they come into conflict with the interests of the Australian coal industry.

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Message 13 - posted by Junk2Rubbish, Mar 27, 2008

Yes, all those videos of people lighting their own farts -- that must contribute substantially to global warming.

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If you're interested, you'll watch that I suppose not for me though.

I rather like the description of the Lavoisier Foundation (where the lecture in question was delivered) as being

devoted to the proposition that basic principles of physics...cease to apply when they come into conflict with the interests of the Australian coal industry.


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Looking back at all those (not so) subtle 'ad hominen' insinuations in your previous postings, it comes as no surprise that you'd prefer to concentrate on a supposedly 'dodgy' institution's backers rather than any arguments they put forward.

Well, suit yourself and have your 'fun' while doing so, but I believe most people can distinguish facts from smokescreens such as yours.
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Message 14 - posted by VeryTrue, Mar 27, 2008


Well, suit yourself and have your 'fun' while doing so, but I believe most people can distinguish facts from smokescreens such as yours.

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Indeed, happily most people can distinguish fact from smokescreen, and are smart enough to figure out that in fact the "heroic" deniers of global warming are simply indulging their egos and getting off on being "one man against the system," while thousands of hard working real scientists who don't need that kind of buzz are actually getting on with the science and concluding that it is around 90% likely that global warming is being significantly influenced by human activity.
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Message 15 - posted by Lakesider, Mar 28, 2008

To J2R
I share your views and I think that "Global Warming and "green Issues" are the sticks that have been adopeted by many to beat people into submission with.
After 9/11 it became apparant to many that you could scare people into doing things on a grand scale.The Bush and Blair governments utilised that tactic and now the fear mongering tactics have spread all over the world,and have become a very useful tactic for those employing it for whatever reason.
In the earths history there have been many extended periods where heating and cooling have naturally taken place.
When I hear the words "GREEN" or Carbon Footprint" I switch off whoever it is thats uttering them
Look at what crap so many councils get away with in the name of "The Enviornment". It really is criminal.
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Message 16 - posted by Junk2Rubbish, Mar 31, 2008

When I hear the words "GREEN" or Carbon Footprint" I switch off whoever it is thats uttering them
Look at what crap so many councils get away with in the name of "The Enviornment". It really is criminal.

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As for myself, whenever I here the words "Green" or "Carbon Footprint", I invariably find that some EU target is involved - as per the second story here:
www.telegraph.co.uk/...
But as VT would say, I am biased ... <whistle> ... is it such a puzzle to see why?
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Message 17 - posted by VeryTrue, Mar 31, 2008

Perhaps because in this case the EU actually does the accounting right: 80 billion would, indeed, build you 30 nuclear power stations... as long as you conveniently forget the decommissioning costs at the end of their lives, and the costs of long-term storage of high-level waste for a few hundred thousand years.

So, maybe not quite such a sensible option to pursue.
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Message 18 - posted by Junk2Rubbish, Mar 31, 2008

So as the article says ....

"Stand by for those lights to go out."
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