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Body Snatchers.

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Message 1 - posted by Rob, Jan 13, 2008

Are these the latter day Burke and Hare?

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/...

Just wondered...........they will be wanting blood out of stone next.

Sorry they already do, courtesy of the Inland Revenue.

www.highlanderweb.co...




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Message 2 - posted by VeryTrue, Jan 13, 2008

So, the Prime Minister calls for a national debate on something that could save thousands of lives. What a scandal!
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Message 3 - posted by patsy, Jan 13, 2008

Donation by presumed consent is a good idea, anyone who is strongly opposed can opt out, so where is the problem?

Organ transplantation is stricly controlled, so any reference to Burke and Hare is pure sensationalism.

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Message 4 - posted by Rob, Jan 13, 2008

I never said it was a scandal.

The bit that worries me is this...

...'PM backs automatic organ donation'

Why should you have to opt out?
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Message 5 - posted by Rob, Jan 13, 2008

Patsy..you will be presuming that I consent to speed cameras next!

The problem is that people(especially the young) will not have even given a thought to it.

So if they die unexpectedly..then their bodies will be defiled because it was presumed that they gave consent?
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Message 6 - posted by VeryTrue, Jan 13, 2008


I never said it was a scandal.

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Of course not: likening the proposal to Burke and Hare gave a strong signal as to what a highly reasonable proposal you thought it was.


Why should you have to opt out?

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Because people who don't care one way or the other, and who wouldn't have ever got around to signing up to donate, will end up saving lives through their lethargy rather than costing them, while anyone who actually has a strong objection can still take their selfish line and opt out.
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Message 7 - posted by VeryTrue, Jan 13, 2008


So if they die unexpectedly..then their bodies will be defiled because it was presumed that they gave consent?

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"defiled?" What ridiculous byperbole is this? If people have strong feelings about it, then they will have given it some thought and opted out. You are right that most young people won't have thought about it, but would probably welcome the idea of their organs being useful to someone after they die if they had got around to thinking about it. In fact, who but a completely self-absorbed selfish arrogant fool would object to their organs being used to save other peoples' lives once they were no use to them (and would use emotive words like "defiled" to support their "argument")?
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Message 8 - posted by Rob, Jan 13, 2008

And you have proof of that?

but would probably welcome the idea of their organs being useful to someone after they die if they had got around to thinking about it.

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It's a matter of what they want to do with their bodies......Nothing should be presumed!

who but a completely self-absorbed selfish arrogant fool would object to their organs being used to save other peoples' lives once they were no use to them (and would use emotive words like "defiled" to support their "argument")?

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PS cut the insults.
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Message 9 - posted by Rob, Jan 13, 2008

VeryTrue.........you can have my liver, I hope it gives you many sleepless nights.
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Message 10 - posted by patsy, Jan 13, 2008

Rob,
Not at all, your opt-out views are well recorded.

posted by Rob***

Patsy..you will be presuming that I consent to speed cameras next!<smiley>

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Message 11 - posted by VeryTrue, Jan 13, 2008


And you have proof of that?

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No, none at all, but then I am not the one who started throwing around unsubstantiated claims that young people would not have given much thought to this and that they would feel that having their organs used after they were dead would constitute being "defiled."
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Message 12 - posted by BashfulAnthony, Jan 13, 2008

.....except to say:

PS cut the insults.

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- taken from,"Body-Snatchers," M8

Hypocrite !!



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Message 13 - posted by beerboy6, Jan 13, 2008


And you have proof of that?

No, none at all, but then I am not the one who started throwing around unsubstantiated claims that young people would not have given much thought to this and that they would feel that having their organs used after they were dead would constitute being "defiled."

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Obviously never heard of Alder Hey hospital then have you Very True.

I don't recall those little children giving any consent to what happened to their organs and I doubt they gave much thought to how they would end up.
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Message 14 - posted by BashfulAnthony, Jan 13, 2008

So if they die unexpectedly..then their bodies will be defiled because it was presumed that they gave consent?

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:-D You haven't read your own link, have you? In such a case as you suggest, close family would have to give consent. Nobody would be "defiled !" Fool !
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Message 15 - posted by PlainAshington, Jan 13, 2008

I have to agree with Bob; by the time they have cut out and tested all the bits that might be useful, there will be a big pile of bits that aren't.

And if as a Nation we give everybody that needs a transplant the said transplant then we as a Nation are skint!

Nature has a way of balancing the books and people are meant to die.

Transplants aren't cheap and I would rather the money was spent on child care of healthy children than suspending death at community expense.
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Message 16 - posted by patsy, Jan 13, 2008

PlainAshington,

This was meant to be tongue-in-cheek wasn't it? <yikes>

.....by the time they have cut out and tested all the bits that might be useful, there will be a big pile of bits that aren't.

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Message 17 - posted by respectedAndystone, Jan 13, 2008

Donation by presumed consent is a good idea, anyone who is strongly opposed can opt out, so where is the problem?

Organ transplantation is stricly controlled, so any reference to Burke and Hare is pure sensationalism.


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Then it will make people think for once instead of the normal apathy that surrounds these sorts of issues. If they don't want their organs harvested when they're dead then opt out.
Simple innit
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Message 18 - posted by AlanAmp, Jan 14, 2008

Rob , are you liverish? <biggrin>
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Message 19 - posted by VeryTrue, Jan 14, 2008


Obviously never heard of Alder Hey hospital then have you Very True.

I don't recall those little children giving any consent to what happened to their organs and I doubt they gave much thought to how they would end up.

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Obviously, I have heard of Alder Hey, but obviously I am intelligent enough to figure out that the abuses there have absolutely nothing to do with the suggestion that the country debate the possibility of an opt-out system for organ donation.

I am not able to even imagine how awful the feelings must have been for the parents of those children, but I am empathetic enough to believe that their feelings would have been very different if their childrens' organs had been used to save the lives of others, making them part of an appropriately-regulated life-saving organ donation scheme that the whole country takes part in.
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Message 20 - posted by Rob, Jan 19, 2008

Donut............Close family would have no right to give permission ,,,,,,,FOOL
So if they die unexpectedly..then their bodies will be defiled because it was presumed that they gave consent?


:-D You haven't read your own link, have you? In such a case as you suggest, close family would have to give consent. Nobody would be "defiled !" Fool !

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