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Message 41 - posted by DaveDD, Oct 19, 2007

Thanks VT, of course, silly of me! What was it called then? There was a film made about it, a battle ship was made to vanish then reapear. Philadelphia rings a bell.
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Message 42 - posted by lancsdb, Oct 19, 2007

Was this the 'Manhatten Project'?
And what about the *rumours* that Einstein conducted matter transference experiments in the US?

Was it a US naval ship & crew?

So, going back to a previous message no. I can't remember but just read - if *they* are already *out there* but not interfering with us, will we be stopped sending anyone to say, Mars, for example?

LC500
Enjoying this thread, not a scientist but have a thirst for knowledge.

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It was the Philadelphia Experiment & the ship was the USS Eldridge.
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Message 43 - posted by Lambchop13, Oct 20, 2007

Was this the 'Manhatten Project'

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A film & book title "The Philedelphia Experiment" is springing into my mind <erm>

LC500
If you are going into a matter transporter, check for flies first <ok> Look what happened to Jeff Goldblaum!
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Message 44 - posted by Darwinian, Oct 31, 2007

Was that the film where half the crew were found fused with the ship itself?

Anyway, half the problem with the theory that we are, or have been visited by E.T. is all this alien abduction nonsense. I was watching the UFO files on the History channel yesterday and it seems so obvious that these people are simply having false memories planted by hypnosis.

This makes the whole field loose credibility and muddies the water for any serious study.
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Message 45 - posted by Jupiler , Oct 31, 2007

Did anyone see this? video.google.com/vid...
I haven't yet, I'm wondering is it worth to watch?
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Message 46 - posted by 800lbGorilla, Oct 31, 2007

Just a few thoughts:

The complexity of life forms seems to demand the existence of the heavier elements and these have been manufactured in the supernovae of previous aeons. I believe the existence of sufficient of these heavy elements did not come about until about 5 billion years or so ago, so it seems that life on earth was a relativley early starter. Given that and the terrific effect of blind chance on the development of life forms it seems likely that the number of intelligent life forms (as opposed to forms merely existing like, say, the amoeba)may be pretty small. And perhaps they may be no more advanced than we are so any notion of contact with them through e.g. SETI, is pretty unlikely. As for flying saucers and the like, we should leave them where they belong, in the science fiction realm.

Surely, given the distances involved, it is just not going to be on, ever, for us to travel as far as the nearest stars (Darwinian's android would not be human anyway!).

Surely we have to accept that the speed of light is a fundamental aspect of our reality (otherwise how would black holes behave as they do?).

By the way, as for Einstein being an alien, I believe he was (relatively speaking!) a bit of a dunce at Maths - what he did have was the gift of physical insight.

On transporters, is there a moral problem with these - the process demands the annihilation of the original e.g. you have to kill the subject in order to copy/transmit them - is the copy going to be the same as the original? Would memories, etc. exist in the copy as in the original?
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Message 47 - posted by Jupiler , Oct 31, 2007

Sorry, I forgot to say the title. It's called "Ufo The greatest story ever denied"
Did anyone see this? video.google.com/vid...
I haven't yet, I'm wondering is it worth to watch?

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Message 48 - posted by Darwinian, Oct 31, 2007

All the heavy elements up to Iron (26) were/are formed in the nuclear furnace of the star. The rest are formed when the star goes nova.

Many of the first stars in the Universe had very short lives, only a few million years and would explode with enormous ferocity. These are the Gamma Ray Bursts that we are now detecting.

These would have spread heavy elements throughout the Galaxies so the ingredients for life have been around for a very long time.

Just what nature has done with them all though is a very different matter.
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Message 49 - posted by stevoplymouth, Oct 31, 2007

Having just visited a suggested web site and reading descriptions and histories of various suposed races and their galactic warring etc etc I think most people who believe this are mad as hatters!
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Message 50 - posted by Darwinian, Nov 6, 2007

That's what they want you to think. As long as you don't take it seriously they can draw their plans to take over the world.

Mwa ha ha ha!!

Having just visited a suggested web site and reading descriptions and histories of various suposed races and their galactic warring etc etc I think most people who believe this are mad as hatters!

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Message 51 - posted by sullivanthepoet, Nov 7, 2007

Having just visited a suggested web site and reading descriptions and histories of various suposed races and their galactic warring etc etc I think most people who believe this are mad as hatters!

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Steve... There IS intelligent life out there. I suspect they are staying out there because they aren't convinced there is intelligent life HERE.

Joking aside... If we forget science fiction for a moment, the religionists, the deists, the anti Darwinians and the 'trekkies'; The raw mathematics of how many trillions of potentially planet supporting suns we can see in our own galaxy, tucked away in a corner of an infinite universe, multiplied by an infinite number of other galaxies dictates there MUST be other intelligent life.
The mathematics of 'chance' are well established and equally well proven.
Sullivan The Poet
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Message 52 - posted by Darwinian, Nov 7, 2007

It's a bit like picking up a single grain of sand on a beach somewhere in the world and discovering something interesting living on it.

It would be staggering beyond belief if every other grain of sand on all the beaches on the entire world were lifeless.

What people fail to appreciate is the sheer scale and the enormous numbers involved.

Even if the chances of civilisations comparable in some fashion to ours developing are a 1000,000,000 to 1 against that still means that there are approx 100 to 500 alien races in this galaxy alone. And that's not counting the other 120,000,000,000 other galaxies in the observable Universe.

Somehow I think that given the right mix of chemicals life develops without much trouble and this Galaxy is probably brimming with life. The reason that we haven't detected it yet is simply because we haven't detected it yet.

What would be utterly unbelievable is the notion that we are alone.

Having just visited a suggested web site and reading descriptions and histories of various suposed races and their galactic warring etc etc I think most people who believe this are mad as hatters!


Steve... There IS intelligent life out there. I suspect they are staying out there because they aren't convinced there is intelligent life HERE.

Joking aside... If we forget science fiction for a moment, the religionists, the deists, the anti Darwinians and the 'trekkies'; The raw mathematics of how many trillions of potentially planet supporting suns we can see in our own galaxy, tucked away in a corner of an infinite universe, multiplied by an infinite number of other galaxies dictates there MUST be other intelligent life.
The mathematics of 'chance' are well established and equally well proven.
Sullivan The Poet

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