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Message 1 - posted by John of Paddington, Jul 21, 2007

Ten on Mr Browns new ministers have confessed to taking drugs, it must be the most dopiest cabinette on record, no wonder the blank looks and abismal performance at the dispatch box. It is time we took stringent action on drugs as they do abroard. Imprisonment and deportation and its time the Prisons cleaned themselves up.
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Message 2 - posted by U3508276 - alt id 4, Jul 21, 2007

Why do you think that the cabinet have individually and as a group taken more drugs than the shadow cabinet or the Royal Family? The cabinet members have been open. The Tories just won't talk about it although their last government saw cabinet ministers and senior party men imprisoned for serious perjury. The Royal Family just take our money and refuse to talk about their vices. They have to be exposed by press camermen fellow party guests with cell phone cams and by dissaffected wives.
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Message 3 - posted by pompomwhiting, Jul 21, 2007

Turn the universities into prisons you mean?
Surely it's time to legalise drugs before we lose all respect for the so called intellectual. The cheek of it. Jacqui could be allowed to experiment with drugs but we can't
Pom would quite like to experiment with speed.
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Message 4 - posted by U3508276 - alt id 4, Jul 21, 2007

Pom please set out fully the reasons with pros and cons of your legalisation argument.I think it needs tweaking not repeal and we have to brace ourselves to spend more billions on the effects.
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Message 5 - posted by pompomwhiting, Jul 21, 2007

Good Morning Delgany. I've decided to walk from Ironbridge to Bridgnorth along River Severn (seems like a good idea) so I haven't time to put down all my reasons for legalising. Would struggle to think of againsts. A current one for now is. To stop all these smug, holier than thou's inferring that they are justified in breaking the law in the interest of education. We aren't all born with a silver spoon in our mouths and be able to afford expensive barristers. People who take drugs do so for a reason and I'm fed up of hearing about it being the cause of hardship amounst the poorer in society.
Pom off to get wet.
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Message 6 - posted by U2448401, Jul 21, 2007

Look at the faces on the Tory front bench. I have nothing against any of them but how many of those look as if they haven't used recreational drugs in their time? I wouldn't matter if they had. They need to be more open. Remaining silent on the government admissions isn't quite enough.
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Message 7 - posted by U3508276 - alt id 4, Jul 21, 2007

Ten ministers - who are they then?

Blank faces? - When was this?

Abysmal performance? - Who when?

Time the prisons cleaned themselves up? - Meaning what?
Ten on Mr Browns new ministers have confessed to taking drugs, it must be the most dopiest cabinette on record, no wonder the blank looks and abismal performance at the dispatch box. It is time we took stringent action on drugs as they do abroard. Imprisonment and deportation and its time the Prisons cleaned themselves up.

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Message 8 - posted by GrumpyOldGit, Jul 21, 2007

Pom would quite like to experiment with speed.

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Pom - you've already tried that a number of times, and look where it got you! ;)

Surely it's time to legalise drugs before we lose all respect for the so called intellectual. The cheek of it. Jacqui could be allowed to experiment with drugs but we can't

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Do you mean legalise or de-criminalise? I think that at some point we're going to have to accept that no matter how much we try to stop drugs they ARE going to happen - in much the same way as we can't stop under-age sex.

I don't see anything wrong with 'tolerating' some of the softer (!) drugs IF it means we can improve the overall situation.
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Message 9 - posted by John of Paddington, Jul 21, 2007

Grumpy, that is a NO-no. It has got to be Zero tollerance where drugs are concerned. Pom on trying speed, I thought she already had, hence the points. The only people who benefit from drugs are the dealers, those stupid enough to take them I believe should be left to die. To take a deadly drug willingly amounts to suiside.
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Message 10 - posted by U2379384 - alt id 3, Jul 21, 2007

What drugs would you criminalise JOP? Calpol?
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Message 11 - posted by pompomwhiting, Jul 21, 2007

I want to feel free to experiment still in the interest of learning. (never too old) Never did try smoking but I remember some horrible hangovers in the late 60's and 70's. I've given thought to my latest capturing on speed camera. Wouldn't know what speed I was going as I passed the camera but it was definately the day when I came to a standstill a few hundred yds up the road in the 40 mph stretch when a youth cut accross my path doing a wheelie. I shook my head at the lad and I thought I recognised a look of "phew, near miss". That was his experiment for the day. Yes John. Junkies are trying to commit suicide. How do we address their feeling of low esteem? Make them feel even more depressed! When I told my 18 year old that I thought all drugs should be legalised, he replied "that would be boring". If we can stop those who start taking as a way of doing something exciting, it would be a start.
Let's make taking up a sport illegal!
Pom back from the hike - legs ache.
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Message 12 - posted by GrumpyOldGit, Jul 21, 2007

Grumpy, that is a NO-no. It has got to be Zero tollerance where drugs are concerned.

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JoP - the current methods have been tried for years, and the only effect they're having is allowing the situation to get worse.

Drugs ARE going to happen. No matter how much we think they are "wrong", we need to deal WITH them (no pun intended) not fight AGAINST them.

Tell someone not to something, and you can bet that they'll do out of defiance. Relaxing the strangle-hold can often be a more effective way of controlling something.
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Message 13 - posted by U6196471 - alt id 5, Jul 21, 2007

Can JOP tell us what practical experience he has of anyone using any specific drugs and how he would address their problems? Would he want to lock up the estimated 18 million people currently living in the UK who at some time or other used cannabis, many habitually?
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Message 14 - posted by John of Paddington, Jul 21, 2007

JM my favorite was a drop of Gripe Water when my children were small, very tasty, but they changed it by the time of my Grandchildren, not the same, yuck.
Pom. If we brought in the drakonian punishments you find elsewhere for being in possession of drugs, after an execution or two, how many do you think would be keen on the idea?
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Message 15 - posted by GrumpyOldGit, Jul 21, 2007

If we brought in the drakonian punishments you find elsewhere for being in possession of drugs, after an execution or two, how many do you think would be keen on the idea?

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JOP. It's a pretty safe bet that nobody will go back to drugs after the first time they've been executed.
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Message 16 - posted by U8259068, Jul 21, 2007

If we brought in the drakonian punishments you find elsewhere for being in possession of drugs, after an execution or two, how many do you think would be keen on the idea?
JOP. It's a pretty safe bet that nobody will go back to drugs after the first time they've been executed.

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Oh I don't know Grumpy, maybe a couple of Paracetamol to ease the pain in the neck or the rope burns;)
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Message 17 - posted by GrumpyOldGit, Jul 21, 2007

Oh I don't know Grumpy, maybe a couple of Paracetamol to ease the pain in the neck or the rope burns;)

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<laugh><laugh>"Dope on a Rope"<laugh><doh>
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Message 18 - posted by U2426416 - alt id 6, Jul 21, 2007

JoP won't tell us where he'd draw the line.

And how can the threat of capital punishment stop an addict from using the drug the body can't survive without?

If we impose mad rules about low impact judge we would have to apply them to alcohol and tobacco and possibly caffeine as well.
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Message 19 - posted by U8259068, Jul 21, 2007

Oh I don't know Grumpy, maybe a couple of Paracetamol to ease the pain in the neck or the rope burns;)

<laugh><laugh>"Dope on a Rope"<laugh><doh>

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Hang 'em HIGH<laugh>
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Message 20 - posted by patsy, Jul 21, 2007

Knackersknowle,

The body can survive without.<erm>

......stop an addict from using the drug the body can't survive without?


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