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Save Plymouth Civic Centre

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Message 1 - posted by U2426416 - alt id 6, Jun 23, 2007

At last after English Heritage's Grade II listing of the excellent 60s council block, for 40 years an iconic symbol of the city's post war spirit there is a better chance to save the building from demolision and the site from the current tidal wave of useless speculative development. The Herald wants rid and the council want to sell at a vast profit and avoid long needed basic repairs. We have not heard the end of it but at least the listing means any decision will be out of the hands of Plymouth's own idiosyncratic and querky planners.
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Message 2 - posted by U2379384 - alt id 3, Jun 23, 2007

I agree, the alternatives are unthinkable.
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Message 3 - posted by U7410096 - alt id 2, Jun 23, 2007

I see the sense in preserving the best of each era but is that building a good example of anything except bad local authority architecture? The local paper, nothing if not populist and then pigheadedly partisan, suggests that the listing was a sulky gambit by those against the general replanning of the centre generally.
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Message 4 - posted by U3508276 - alt id 4, Jun 23, 2007

I quite like it.
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Message 5 - posted by U3312314, Jun 23, 2007

How can a 1960 office block be worth preserving, unless its to be used to preserve Fred Dibnah's heritage!
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Message 6 - posted by U3508276 - alt id 4, Jun 23, 2007

If the council don't want it, turn it into flats but don't demolish it.
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Message 7 - posted by U3775715 - alt id 1, Jun 23, 2007

I seen a pic. It looks really cool, especially the wing roof.Good place for a bar/restaurant.
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Message 8 - posted by U2379384 - alt id 3, Jun 23, 2007

There's hardly anywhere in Plymouth whee you can munch or booze with a view.
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Message 9 - posted by U3220267, Jun 23, 2007

That's Devon for you.
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Message 10 - posted by stevoplymouth, Jun 25, 2007

I say knock down the concrete cancer ridden mess give the workers somewhere decent to work and visitors somewhere decent to conduct their business sell the land to a developer and have a proper 20-30 story skyscraper in its place and whilst we are at it sell the sea front off privately and get it redeveloped too! Its an embarassment to the city.
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Message 11 - posted by U2379384 - alt id 3, Jun 25, 2007

Should the foreshore be built around with kiss-me-quick hat shops and condom mackines?
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Message 12 - posted by stevoplymouth, Jun 26, 2007

Should the foreshore be built around with kiss-me-quick hat shops and condom mackines?

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No dont talk rubbish! we have so much naval/seafaring history I want to see Pilgrims and Elizabetheans running around replicas of the Golden Hinde the Mayflower anchored of the Hoe, cafes artists workshops a proper visitors centre - which is part of the Mckay Plan which will no doubt be scrapped now the Tories are in.
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Message 13 - posted by John of Paddington, Jun 26, 2007

Another 60s concrete box, no value what ever, and costing a small fortune to maintain. Knock it down and build an energy efficient building that meets 21st Century needs.
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Message 14 - posted by U8836301, Jun 26, 2007

Knock it and build an energy efficient building that meets 21st Century needs, like space 1999 on the moon. This planet has had it, lets trash the local galaxy.
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Message 15 - posted by MilbridgeMan, Jun 26, 2007

There seems to be very few in the this city which actually want the thing to stay. Majority rules? It has to in this case as it is just a blot on the landscape. The council needs bigger offices, that building is falling apart from the inside (i know someone who works there, the staff hate it). It needs to come down and something else put there, either a decent council building or residential flats/retail units. The sooner it goes, the sooner it won't be an embarrassment to the city.
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Message 16 - posted by U7410096 - alt id 2, Jun 26, 2007

So you want a twee theme park on the foreshore perpetuating the myth that Plymouth had any more hand in the pilgrims mission than providing a grumpy forced stopover for repairs? A replica Golden Hinde in Mill Bay maybe but not in Sutton Harbour which is now full a tacky fifth hand 'yachts' and surrounded by poor man's Marbella flats.
Should the foreshore be built around with kiss-me-quick hat shops and condom mackines?


No dont talk rubbish! we have so much naval/seafaring history I want to see Pilgrims and Elizabetheans running around replicas of the Golden Hinde the Mayflower anchored of the Hoe, cafes artists workshops a proper visitors centre - which is part of the Mckay Plan which will no doubt be scrapped now the Tories are in.

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Message 17 - posted by U3508276 - alt id 4, Jun 26, 2007

Its an excellent example of post blitz reconstruction.The coubcil have spent a quarter of a century letting it run down in order they thought that there decision to demolish would meet no opposition.

There are very few quality post war buildings of this calibre including the Royal Festival Hall. I urge everyone to write to their MPs and English Heretage to support the listing.
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Message 18 - posted by U6532874, Jun 26, 2007

I'll vote to keep it.
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Message 19 - posted by stevoplymouth, Jun 27, 2007

So you want a twee theme park on the foreshore perpetuating the myth that Plymouth had any more hand in the pilgrims mission than providing a grumpy forced stopover for repairs? A replica Golden Hinde in Mill Bay maybe but not in Sutton Harbour which is now full a tacky fifth hand 'yachts' and surrounded by poor man's Marbella flats.
Should the foreshore be built around with kiss-me-quick hat shops and condom mackines?


No dont talk rubbish! we have so much naval/seafaring history I want to see Pilgrims and Elizabetheans running around replicas of the Golden Hinde the Mayflower anchored of the Hoe, cafes artists workshops a proper visitors centre - which is part of the Mckay Plan which will no doubt be scrapped now the Tories are in.

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I am actually aware that the Pilgrims set off from Holand and had to stop for repairs here in Plymouth also Im aware the the theme park is the sort of thing people want but why stop there how about a man made beach Tinside into a version of the Minack rebuild the pier!
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Message 20 - posted by U6196471 - alt id 5, Jun 27, 2007

Amidst the furore of the reaction to listing it is interesting to consider how hamfistedly indifferently and arguably negligently the council and its legal and planning advisers have behaved in all this. They should not be blaming six individuals who made the application to English Heitage but those on the council payroll and in elected council office who knew that there were plans to move the council administrative centre to a new site, wanted to avoid the expenses of maintaining the existing building and wanted a fat price for the site.

Everyone who lives in an old or new interesting building knows the effects and impact on their freedoms if the building is listed or falls within a conservation area. This council well knew and often boasted of the awards praise and plaudits heaped upon the building when it was new and the way in which it has been described and discusseed by architects and town planners not least MacKie. The council also knew the expensive obligation and potential costly maintenance time bomb it was sitting on by avoiding and deferring repairs over decades.

The lawyers and planners were fully aware of the risk of listing. The issue arises frequently even and on modest redevelopments throughout the city. The risk that this would happen to the civic centre has been there for forty odd years.They should have taken the bull by the horns and made sure that their own representations and arguments were laid before English Heritage well in advance of any application. Bleating pompously and sulking with inflated pretend righteous indigation after the event is just an attempt smokescreen their own incompetence and lack of prudent foresight.
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