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Slave Trade

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Message 61 - posted by U4445838, Jun 27, 2007

I read recently that Lancaster City Council is refusing to apologise for it's involvement in the slave trade - what would Lancaster be like today if it wasn't for the blood money it received from slavery?
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Message 62 - posted by Bazza, Jun 27, 2007

The past is the past, those who have been elected should apologise on behalf of the populace who elected them.

People suffered and died to create the standard of living we have.

Sorry! Is a very simple word, but means so much!
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Message 63 - posted by U8757327 - banned alt id 4, Jun 27, 2007

And who should we apologise to? I don't want anyone apologising on my behalf that I had nothing to do with.
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Message 64 - posted by Bazza, Jun 27, 2007

You heard of the colonies, the british empire, and even the clothes on your back.

Well each and every person exploited, in the days of the colonies and the british empire, allowed you to live the style of life you do today. But! nots let forget the sweatshops in asia today, who produce, the clothes you are wearing, by slave labour...including kids!
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Message 65 - posted by TheLocalYokel, Jun 27, 2007

Yes, sorry is just a word.

If the majority of the populace believe the country has nothing to apologise for then any apology issued by elected representatives 'on behalf of us all' will be pretty meaningless.

I believe my ancestors are Irish and had I been around at the time of slavery I would probably have been languishing in a hut on a peat bog, in which case I fail to see how my forebears have anything to be apologised for on their behalf.

If Bristol, Lancaster and many other places now enjoy the benefits of slavery it is not just the white population who' live the style of life we do today'. Everyone who lives here does, including descendants of slaves.

I wish we could move on - dwelling on perceived misdeeds of the past never does anyone any good.

It is an empty hope though because too many people have vested interests in keeping the 'controversy' alive: the race relations inductry is a nice little earner for some but the undoubted good it has done in many areas is sometimes overshadowed by pot boiling for the sake of it.
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Message 66 - posted by U8757327 - banned alt id 4, Jun 27, 2007

We need to stop beating ourselves up over it - it was the way of the world back then, not just Britain back then so get over it, it happened, mistakes were learnt from it, it's been well documented that our own were up chimneys and down mines a lot more recently than this. Liverpool has a slave museum, it recognises its past as so there let it be. It's also been proven by an academic from the Liverpool records office that the city was trading with more wealth with Ireland and the Isle of man during this period and only a handful of slaves ever actually docks here. Britain was also very instrumental in its abolition - let's celebrate that instead. Many Africans stayed in their new homes after freedom, many of their descendants prosper from it in fact.
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Message 67 - posted by Bazza, Jun 27, 2007

Abuse of humanity, be it the past or now, Is no excuse for not apologising for what your for forbears did.

The past is the past I agree, like the abandonment of the Irish people during the famine, in the 19th century. Queen Victoria contributed Five english pounds to the famine relief.

If we do not recognise the faults of the past, we continue on the same faults.
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Message 68 - posted by Bazza, Jun 27, 2007

Yodell. Are you aware of how many Iraqi people have died, over these past years?

Are you aware, of how many Iraqi babies and children died, due to the lack of medical resources, during the sanction period ?

I am not making a political statement, I am making a point of priniciple, that as a Scouse, no way, will I standby and accept brutality in my being!
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Message 69 - posted by charmingjackdaw, Jun 29, 2007

my great grandfather worked 12hour shifts making boots.He had no breaks in common with his fellow workers.this slavery happened in bristol[st paul & kingswood].i am willing to accept his compensation.perhaps the bbc could hunt down his employees relations and make them apologise.I think bristolians have been dragged through the mud over this issue.We can hold our heads up.Knowning that Africans can smell the money a mile away.The Dutch got fed up with there nonsense.Now we have got them in Bristol for keeps.Soon our city will be like bradford.All the do gooders in the council will be replaced by foreigners.Give it 5 years and bristolians will be as rare as a chocolate moon.
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Message 70 - posted by U8866817, Jun 29, 2007

RoooaaaAArrrr, regards Terry Hall
Hey Lenny, I can still see your lips move. You were ok on the radio but when tv came about you were hopeless <laugh>

Go for it <laugh>
CW.......didn't know they were making Ford Corsairs that far back ;)

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Every post by Robert this far is a troll post, isnt he doing well ladies and gents.

To call this a discussion is a breach of trade description act
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Message 71 - posted by GrumpyOldGit, Jun 29, 2007

To call this a discussion is a breach of trade description act

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What? Do you mean you've had to PAY to get on here? Ha! more fool you! <doh>
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Message 72 - posted by U8866817, Jun 29, 2007

To call this a discussion is a breach of trade description act

What? Do you mean you've had to PAY to get on here? Ha! more fool you! <doh>

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How cool is this trolls everywhere sticking up for each other, all dudes, this must be gay troll heaven.
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Message 73 - posted by John of Paddington, Jul 1, 2007

I read recently that Lancaster City Council is refusing to apologise for it's involvement in the slave trade - what would Lancaster be like today if it wasn't for the blood money it received from slavery?

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You can say the same thing about New labour, but their involment has been much more recent and without it they could not have fought the last election. The Blair & brown Government are the results of money from the Slave Trade.
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Message 74 - posted by Junk2Rubbish, Jul 3, 2007

The French abolished slavery before the English.

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That was in 1794. Napoleon brought it back in 1803.

Portugal abolished slavery in 1761, 46 years before England's abolition act.

In England, Lord Chief Justice Mansfield first declared slavery illegal, on the basis of just one slave's circumstances. (It seems that later he regretted the wider political and economic implications of his decision.)

The Zong incident, which Mansfield passed judgement on shows just how callous some businesses of the time actually were:
www.untoldlondon.org...

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Message 75 - posted by Junk2Rubbish, Jul 3, 2007

But! nots let forget the sweatshops in asia today, who produce, the clothes you are wearing, by slave labour...including kids!

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Yes, they are sweatshops and life is hard for those that work in them. I certainly would not like to be living there.

However, these people are actually earning a living and the alternative (starving to death) is even worse!
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Message 76 - posted by Bazza, Jul 3, 2007

Junkrubbish. You say that, yet you go out and buy these clothes.

How would you live on less than 10% of what you earn?

There again your earning a living !
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Message 77 - posted by Junk2Rubbish, Jul 3, 2007

Junkrubbish. You say that, yet you go out and buy these clothes.

How would you live on less than 10% of what you earn?

There again your earning a living !

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Bazza,

I am aware of the reports of the heinous conditions that these people work in, the abuses of their human rights and the terrible (often poisonous) environments they must endure yes, this is undeniably wrong.

And, I have already answered your question - I wouldn't want to live there.

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I buy clothes made in China, because it is the right thing to do. Why? Quite simply - It distributes wealth.

What passes for a pittance in a modern western society, actually keeps people alive in the 3rd world. They are earning and are not 'charity cases'.

These people can, and will, help their economy grow. And with that growth will come the means to develop a more modern society that can afford the things we take for granted ... education ... health ... even prosperity.

Look at history. Southern Korea, Hong Kong, Taiwan and Singapore have all shown that although free markets initially encourage sweatshops, as time goes by, they are replaced by modern factories and better conditions that attract workers of new working and middle classes.

The health and safety laws, initially tokens, become enforceable as the costs of enforcement become affordable.

On the other hand, I can remember the Sunday Newspapers running a campaign against one the high street chains several years back.

The 'exposure' resulted in the company merely moving its business to another country and the outcome for those 'poor-people' in the sweatshops was the removal of an opportunity to work and a swift return to real poverty.

No. I think making an indignant stand against sweatshops by boycotting their goods helps those that do so to feel morally superior, but in practice does very little to help those that actually work in them.
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Message 78 - posted by U9034231, Aug 17, 2007

This is exactly the kind of comment ,that whilst appearing to be reasonable is in actuality really problematic. You appear to wish to discuss this particular element of history,but only in a way that disproportionately emphasises any good that Britain may have done. It seems you seek to play down the significance and scale and racial basis of European chattle slavery. Europeans aimed to create a slave "race". These points distinguish this paricular period in the history of slavery from any other.The British were the first to stop slavery?So what , the Germans were the first to stop gassing Jews! Furthermore enslaved african peoople had long fought for and regained their freedom well before any act in Parliament was passed,so britain really wasnt first to end slavery. The Abolition actually refers to the end of the trade, not of the practise.Your comment is essentially an act of revisionist history.
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Message 79 - posted by minnie3, Aug 17, 2007

I read an article about the workers in china making toys for Mattel and Hasbro. It was shocking and it sounded like reading about workers in Britain in Victorian times. It is terrible when we are in the 21 century.
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Message 80 - posted by Danmouth, Aug 17, 2007

How is it terrible? Someone has to do it.
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