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Slave Trade

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Message 41 - posted by Alan Amp, Mar 23, 2007

Hey Lenny, I can still see your lips move. You were ok on the radio but when tv came about you were hopeless <laugh>

Go for it <laugh>
CW.......didn't know they were making Ford Corsairs that far back ;)

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Message 42 - posted by Rob, Mar 23, 2007

RoooaaaAArrrr, regards Terry Hall
Hey Lenny, I can still see your lips move. You were ok on the radio but when tv came about you were hopeless <laugh>

Go for it <laugh>
CW.......didn't know they were making Ford Corsairs that far back ;)

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Message 43 - posted by phantom001, Mar 29, 2007

Please,please,please can we now change the subject about the slave trade-i,for one am sick to the back teeth of having it all "rammed down my throat"-every time i switch on the radio,turn on the tv,read the newspapers-its all i hear!-it all happen 200 years ago-get over it!!- are we not all slaves in our places of work??-England was one of the major countries to help abolish slavery years ago-so lets all get real -and as for some people demanding applogies-what a joke!!.
we have a world that is self-destructing as we speak,we have a goverment that is trying everything to be a dictatorship,and all some people are intrested in is what happened years ago-it could only be England!!!!
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Message 44 - posted by Bazza, Mar 30, 2007

The French abolished slavery before the English.

To review the negative past, improves the future.
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Message 45 - posted by U7334133, Mar 31, 2007

Personally, I blame the Cornish. But then, I may be wrong! At least, my comment seems to have as much substance as most of the previous postings here.

Up Devon!
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Message 46 - posted by U7966057, Mar 31, 2007

i dislike the french they are too dishonest and are living in england instead of france
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Message 47 - posted by patsy, Mar 31, 2007

tommoheath444,

If I said that about Asians or Eastern Europeans, would you call me racist? <erm>

i dislike the french they are too dishonest and are living in england instead of france

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Message 48 - posted by TheLocalYokel, Mar 31, 2007

Is that what you want to be called although it's not your name?

I suppose you could change your user name though.

In the meantime tommo would probably still call you patsy which is a much nicer name.
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Message 49 - posted by Rob, Mar 31, 2007

UHHHHHHhhh! Idiot!!!

This just seems to be a thread about the Slave Trade,,,,,,,can you read that OK?


Please,please,please can we now change the subject about the slave trade-i,for one am sick to the back teeth of having it all "rammed down my throat"-every time i switch on the radio,turn on the tv,read the newspapers-its all i hear!-it all happen 200 years ago-get over it!!- are we not all slaves in our places of work??-England was one of the major countries to help abolish slavery years ago-so lets all get real -and as for some people demanding applogies-what a joke!!.
we have a world that is self-destructing as we speak,we have a goverment that is trying everything to be a dictatorship,and all some people are intrested in is what happened years ago-it could only be England!!!!

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Message 50 - posted by Archiehologee, May 14, 2007

Having read many of the messages, some agreeing and some disagreeing that Britain should apologise for its part in the slave trade, I think every body is missing some of the most influential occurances that contributed to the prolonged success( from a slavers point of view) of the slave trade.
Britain was not the first nation to start the trade in human beings,Portugal opened up trade with West Africa in the search for gold in the late 15th.centuary establishing trading forts along the coast. It was the discovery in 1485 of the West Indies by Columbus and the creation of trading estates using local native labour, whom had no defence against European deseases and were decimated. This generated a need for people to work the land.West Africa was already known to the Spanish, and British,and without the active cooperation of local tribal chiefs, who for generations had been enslaving people from weaker tribes whom they had defeated in war and traded them on a one adult slave ,for one musket,( with which they could establish dominence over many more smaller tribes}the slave trade could not have happend. Europeans were not equpped both phisically or financially to travel any distance in the jungles of West Africa.So lets put the subject into perspective, yes it was abhorrent practice,but it was also a proven practice, that had been ongoing since the Iron Age(slave chains dated 50bce) have been found in Britain).In a recent television programme,a British man went to find the roots of his ancesters in West Africa.Having located the village where one of his ancestors came from, he was told by one of the village elders (using oral history), that it was common practice for families to take troublesome local boys to the trading posts and to use them for trade.This revelation severely shook the British man who had gone to Africa with preconceived ideas of British bullyboy tactics only to find out that african participation in the slave trade was a reality.Yes one can argue that without Spain, Britain and latterly the U.S.A., slavery could not have taken place ,equally the Europeans could not have succeeded withoutthe active cooperation of the africans themselves.
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Message 51 - posted by flyfisher5519, May 15, 2007

the pyramids were not built on slavery this is a myth the pharoehs people were proud to work on these .
Like the building of stonehenge we were always taught these were made with slave labour but this is not the case people freely and gladly worked on them.
As for slavery britain played it part in demand for slaves but also to its credit also was one of the first countrys in the world to ban it .

Leicestershire has played a major role in the abolition of slavery thomas babington who owned rothley temple now rothley court used to meet wilberforce there and together with others worked on a succesful bill to abolish the slave trade.
Kids worked down mines, in mills, up chimneys. Britain done more than it's fair share in the abolition of African Slavery - let's celebrate instead of beating outselves up. The pyramids were built on slavery, it was going on in 90% of the world, not just here and it still is going on but not here.

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Message 52 - posted by Bazza, May 15, 2007

Kent_Phillip. Check where the clothes you buy are made. They maybe designer labels, but are made by cheap labour! In China!
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Message 53 - posted by flyfisher5519, May 15, 2007

i agree that the working conditions are poor in these countrys personally i buy very few designer labels i cannot afford them .I know that there is a lot of inequality in this world but even the exploited would prefer to keep there jobs.
Kent_Phillip. Check where the clothes you buy are made. They maybe designer labels, but are made by cheap labour! In China!

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Message 54 - posted by Molly Cule, Jun 23, 2007

None alive today is suffering because of slavery that ended donkeys years age. It's mainly a few left wing idiots and the PC Brigade that are trying to dig it up for their own political reasons. Give it a rest. They will want to sue the Romans next for invading us years ago. Get a life you PC lot, you obviously don't have enough to do with your time. More white people seem to be doing the complaining than any Black people, who just seem to get on with their lives. There is always one exception of course, Stephenson who seems to have a huge chip on his shoulder.
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Message 55 - posted by Typist, Jun 23, 2007

I'm all for everyone understanding what happened:

40 percent of the tax collected by the HM crown during the height of the Atlantic slave trade was on sugar products from the West Indies.

So, the UK took its place as one of the world's great and wealthy powers because of slavery. The country did well to build on that wealth and has jealously guarded its position at the top table ever since. As a nation we should be aware of that; our privileges were gained at the expense of the suffering of others. Say sorry? Well perhaps a ceremony with some bigwig apologizing on our behalf is a bit pointless. But perhaps we should just think about what we gained from slavery.

I can see why the people of Bristol get the hump, though. It seems that the rest of the country are content to blame it all on us, or at least expect us to apologise for it all. I often see national media describing us as "struggling to come to terms with our involvement in the slave trade."

It is not true to suggest that Bristol's urban landscape is a product of the slave trade and nothing but. As a mercantile city , Bristol grew rich from all types of trade.

The rest of the country also grew wealthy. That "non-slaving" port Plymouth's history of ship building from Stuart times was paid for with taxes -- raised from what?
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Message 56 - posted by John of Paddington, Jun 23, 2007

The Slave Trade, it seems, is alive and profitable. The owner of Slave Mines in Eastern Europe has given 4M to New Labour in the last few years. These slaves are white so there is little fuss made of them. China seems to have its own form of Slave Trade, brickworks.
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Message 57 - posted by Typist, Jun 23, 2007

The Slave Trade, it seems, is alive and profitable. The owner of Slave Mines in Eastern Europe has given 4M to New Labour in the last few years. These slaves are white so there is little fuss made of them. China seems to have its own form of Slave Trade, brickworks.

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Hmm. Do your modern "slaves" get bought and sold, disposed of, and bred?

I know there is traffic in indentured labour and child servants which is a form of slavery... but people being exploited by multinational companies in Europe, China or wherever is not quite a slave trade is it?
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Message 58 - posted by TheLocalYokel, Jun 23, 2007

Typist,

Your Post #55 is a very fair summing-up if I may say so.

Of course, some of the leaders of the countries from where the slaves came collaborated with the slavers for their personal benefit.

It always seems to me that those who wish to hold Britain to account for its part in the slave trade are uncomfortable with this fact, and either ignore it or seek to justify, or perhaps explain would be a better word, in some way the actions of people who would treat their own in such a despicable manner.

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Message 59 - posted by Typist, Jun 25, 2007

Thanks DY. That means a lot coming from you.

Yes I agree that African's practiced slavery, even selling members of their own family. It was not a white-on-black industry fueled by racism. If anything racism grew out of the industry, if you see what I mean. African slaves were eventually assimilated into their masters' tribes, although perhaps not before several generations of servitude. However, the Europeans industrialized the trade so it took on a vast scale. In African slavery, a pool of slaves flowed around a single territory, while European (and Arab) involvement meant that captured slaves were transported. In new homes it was impossible to assimilate ex slaves in the same way: instead a racial divide developed, which we live with today.
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Message 60 - posted by Typist, Jun 25, 2007

I've just got around to looking at my last post. Apologies for the errant apostrophe, tsk tsk, and I think I might have overplayed the point somewhat. Obviously slave traders were racist. But if the Portuguese explorers had found an Africa full of white people albeit with a non-Christian religion and a less-advanced technology would the Europeans of the time have refrained from buying and selling these people in the same brutal fashion? In my opinion, slavery would have still occurred, but the historical outcome would have been different. Not entirely sure that adds anything to the argument about retribution and atonement but it just came to mind.
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