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Slave Trade

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Message 1 - posted by LeicesterHost_Kat, Mar 5, 2007

It's almost 200 years since the slave trade was abolished, but how much do we know about it today?

Three young black people discussed the impact the slave trade has on their lives and also how little some young people know about it...

www.bbc.co.uk/leices...

Do you know much about the slave trade? Do you think more should be done to educate young people about it - should it be taught in schools?

Let us know what you think here...
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Message 2 - posted by supaMarrowMan, Mar 5, 2007

Let the kids learn something useful like maths and english.
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Message 3 - posted by Ibstock Panther, Mar 6, 2007

Don't know much about the slave trade myself though my employers seem to be up to speed on it. ;-)

The more kids can learn the better so definately teach them it if its not being taught already.
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Message 4 - posted by U7487816, Mar 6, 2007

Put Slavery into the search option and check out Bristols postings.
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Message 5 - posted by bill_posters, Mar 7, 2007

what a good idea !!!
Lets discuss the slave trade in full and not just how it relates to Black African slaves.
Lets discuss slavery throughout history and how many peoples from all over the world were subjected to slavery including europeans.
Can we also discuss how it was Great Britain that did the most to destroy the slave trade.
Long before the black African slave trade reached its peak many north African countries enslaved hundreds of thousands of white europeans in raids by the Barbary Pirates. (look them up ).They even raided a village in Ireland and took all the villagers,they also raided as far noth as Iceland.
Slavery is still endemic in many Arab and African countries but as they can no longer blame Britain and America this fact is ignored.
I look forward, but not with much hope, to a reasoned discussion on this subject.
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Message 6 - posted by bill_posters, Mar 7, 2007

Just had another thought on the subject.
Serfdom was nothing but slavery for hundreds of years in the uk and most of the population were serfs.
Indentured labour in the American colonies was nothing but slave labour.
And at the moment a lot of women working in the sex\massage industry are nothing but slaves.
I dont see many white europeans walking around dragging a leg as some sort of statement about all the white slavery that happened in the past !!!! Maybe we have moved on and dont blame everything that happens on things that occured a couple of hundred years ago.

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Message 7 - posted by U7487816, Mar 7, 2007

This link shows how we treated the white English children of the time.
I don't know why i say "We" because my ancestors would most likely have been in the workhouse themselves.

www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/IRworkhouse.children.htm
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Message 8 - posted by minnie3, Mar 7, 2007

yes i agree with the comments. Life was pretty grim for the population of the uk. You could be deported to Australia for a mere triviality such as stealing bread because your family was starving and hanged for not much more in the 18th century. plus it was only the rich who benefited from slavery.

Also Britain did abolish slavery. Why are the rest of Europe not involved with making ammends as they were involved too plus the Arabs.
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Message 9 - posted by U5275788, Mar 7, 2007

Kat. Ah. The slave trade. I will tell you what I think. I remember back at school when teachers used to explain very strongly how Britian was so great, how it suddenly seemed to boom, how the invention of the light bulb allowed many to see. Yet what they do not teach is that the light bulb made many slaves lives miserable, since now they had to work both day AND night and hence, were able to gain more of a profit. What they do not tell us that from these hard workers was the reason why many countries boomed.

"Slavery was abolished ONLY after the major wealth (and therefore power) holders were no longer land owners dependent on slavery. Both in Britain and the US, the powerful and wealthy were then industialist who could afford to take the beam out of their brother's eye with no financial injury to themselves, and, as is human nature, were delighted to do so. This served their interests in that the industrialists then consolodated their new hold on power by thereby crippling the old land-based class of elite."

I do not think schools teach this aspect of history well at all. British and American success was down to the those who had no freedom. They were treated very badly and it ought to be recognised as do many other events.
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Message 10 - posted by susieroe, Mar 9, 2007

Slavery is a very bad thing, no-one can say differently.
Slavery continues today, but the only slavery spoken about is that of Africans.
Africans were kidnapped and enslaved by their own people, then sold.
There were many white slaves in the Americas.
Black and Native Americans owned slaves.
Our own Cornish people were taken and enslaved in their thousands.
Compare slaves with the abused and exploited men, women and children of our industrial past. They were not fed and housed for free.They too were beaten and forced to live in disgusting conditions. They died like flies.
If we're going to apologise to the descendants of Africans for something that happened in the past, can all the descendants of the other, neglected and forgotten victims also have an apology please?
If not, let bygones be bygones and move on.
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Message 11 - posted by U5848678, Mar 9, 2007

Kids worked down mines, in mills, up chimneys. Britain done more than it's fair share in the abolition of African Slavery - let's celebrate instead of beating outselves up. The pyramids were built on slavery, it was going on in 90% of the world, not just here and it still is going on but not here.
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Message 12 - posted by omegajaney, Mar 11, 2007

No body outside the BBC is intrested in this, it is 200 years ago, get a grip BBC.
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Message 13 - posted by U7339071, Mar 11, 2007

The past cannot be cured.
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Message 14 - posted by lancsdb, Mar 12, 2007

The pyramids were built on slavery

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No they weren't - they wouldn't have lasted if they were.
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Message 15 - posted by Not_such_an_avid_reader, Mar 12, 2007

I have just noted:
"But during the late summer and early autumn months, during the annual flooding of the fields with water from the annual innundation of the Nile flooded the fields, a large labor force would appear at Giza to put in time on the pyramids. These farmers and local villagers gathered at Giza to work for their god kings, to build their monuments to the hereafter. This would ensure their own afterlife and would also benefit the future and prosperity of Egypt as a whole. They may well have been willing workers, a labor force working for ample rations, for the benefit of man, king, and country."
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Message 16 - posted by U7209542 - alt id 7 (all banned), Mar 12, 2007

What's this from? A 1958 O level history answer?
I have just noted:
"But during the late summer and early autumn months, during the annual flooding of the fields with water from the annual innundation of the Nile flooded the fields, a large labor force would appear at Giza to put in time on the pyramids. These farmers and local villagers gathered at Giza to work for their god kings, to build their monuments to the hereafter. This would ensure their own afterlife and would also benefit the future and prosperity of Egypt as a whole. They may well have been willing workers, a labor force working for ample rations, for the benefit of man, king, and country."

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Message 17 - posted by U6196471 - alt id 5, Mar 12, 2007

You missed the Yank spelling of Labor. So it'll be the same atudent who's work was lifted for the dodgy dossier on Iraq!
What's this from? A 1958 O level history answer?
I have just noted:
"But during the late summer and early autumn months, during the annual flooding of the fields with water from the annual innundation of the Nile flooded the fields, a large labor force would appear at Giza to put in time on the pyramids. These farmers and local villagers gathered at Giza to work for their god kings, to build their monuments to the hereafter. This would ensure their own afterlife and would also benefit the future and prosperity of Egypt as a whole. They may well have been willing workers, a labor force working for ample rations, for the benefit of man, king, and country."

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Message 18 - posted by U7766332, Mar 13, 2007

Just apologese and stop hiding your heads in the sand,
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Message 19 - posted by bill_posters, Mar 13, 2007

Try living in the present and not the past.
All cultures through the whole of history have used slavery as an economic tool, but it would appear that all other cultures have moved on.
The glaring exception to this are the decendents of the black African slaves who use slavery as an excuse for all their problems.
Their problems mostly stem from the massive chips they carry around.
There is nobody alive in the whole world today who was in way connected,either as a victim,slave trader,or slave owner to the African slave trade.
However, there is still a very active slave trade on the African continent which is used by both African and Arab cultures.
Maybe you would be better occupied trying to abolish this present day slave trade than moaning about something that happened long before you were born.
If you took the trouble to study slavery over the last 5000 years maybe you wouldnt spend all your time feeling sorry for yourself.
Whoops !!!!! OH MY, I just had a thought !!!! maybe after getting an apology from some wimp politicians for something no one alive is responsible for, you might then try to claim COMPENSATION.
Just apologese and stop hiding your heads in the sand,

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Message 20 - posted by U5848678, Mar 13, 2007

80% of the world was enslaved before, during and after the African Blacks who now benefit having settled in the likes of the U.S. It's possibly cynical of me to believe that in this current climate of compensation claims, there is a hidden agenda in keeping this issue in the news.
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