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Is the whole "PC gone mad" idea just a tabloid fantasy to sell papers?

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Message 1 - posted by asianboyleeds, Mar 1, 2007

sorry, but im all for more political correctness. Obviously not the 3 or 4 stuipid things that have come about from over-political correctness that the daily mail likes to highlight and the thick and gullible like to beleive, but im on about the 1000s of uses where political correct legislation has been introduced that never gets mentioned. Its the current trend of politcal correctness in liberal europe in the last 15 years that have given us all equal rights ,where gays cannot be sacked just for being gay, where now its also frowned uppon when people use racism, and it can be a sackable offence. Political correctness and that very same ethos has brought about the age of consent for gays being the same as that of straights, and has helped shape society such that these days, if someone openly makes derrogatory comments about someone, based on their sexuality, race, gender etc, they are challenged, and shunned. Infact theres 1000s of new bits of legislation which benefits society and is about respect and fair play to everyone, but we only ever hear about the stupid scare monger sensationalist rants about PC-gone mad which most of them turn out to be fake, or twisted, or just made up. It angers me, how foolish and gullible people are sometimes.

People usually say "oh i cant say this for fear of being labelled racist and coz of pc gone mad, but..[spout spout spout] ". So, they manage to say exactly what they want, and are not prevented from doing so, it is just that these days people will challenge their ignorance with facts, and they dont like that. So, by shouting 'pc gone mad' it enables bigots to stifle debate.
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Message 2 - posted by Danmouth, Mar 1, 2007

I agree with with some PC but there is PC gone too far such as our white english children can no longer have nativity plays at xmas incase it offends! What a load of rubbish. Who cares if it offends, it's what our children have been doing for years, it's a tradition. Some schools have bannned kids exchanging xmas cards incase it offends, sod em! You dont like it, go elsewhere!
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Message 3 - posted by asianboyleeds, Mar 1, 2007

out of the 1000s of new legislation and ideology thats been cemented with the current wave of liberal political correctness in europe, how many bits have been over-pc and completely stupid... about 5 things people always mention. And out of those 5 things, how many are false or blown out of proportion... all of them.

theres the 'christmas banned by muslims' rant which is completely pathetic. One council in london (out of 1000s in the UK) nearly called their christmas tree festival in the towncentre Winterfest but changed the idea.

theres the 'u cant say baa ba blacksheep' anyome, again more rubbish. 1 schoool out of 400,000 in the UK decided to change the song to teach their children diferent verbs and nouns, and later started using it again. But of course lets blow it all out of proportion.

There's the 'u cant fly the flag anymore incase it offends minorities' err hello? how many 1000s of flags were on every other car and house during the england footy.

There's the ' you cant buy golliwogs anymore' well yes you can in certain stores. And the golliwog logo wasnt banned either, the company took it off and moved with the times.

theres a few more i really cant go on, im really embarressed for all the people who spout and propogate these mythes. People should spend 1 to 2 minutes of research on the web before beleiving things they read in the paper.
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Message 4 - posted by Granger-Seasider, Mar 1, 2007

What about moving civil service jobs out of Corby because it is to white, to leicester as there are more ethnic minorities in that city, is that not racism and PC bound as one.
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Message 5 - posted by asianboyleeds, Mar 1, 2007

What about moving civil service jobs out of Corby because it is to white, to leicester as there are more ethnic minorities in that city, is that not racism and PC bound as one.

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Have you got a link for that? Where did you hear about that?
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Message 6 - posted by Fothers45, Mar 1, 2007

What about moving civil service jobs out of Corby because it is to white, to leicester as there are more ethnic minorities in that city, is that not racism and PC bound as one.


Have you got a link for that? Where did you hear about that?

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Daily Mail - of course!
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Message 7 - posted by U5848678, Mar 1, 2007

How about the police and Fire Service 'Having' to take on ethnic minorities so that it 'Balances' out with the population - how about no colour being mentioned on the application form and if you're good enough you're in whether that be 100% white or 100% black! Why is there a colour or ethnic origin place on any form - why monitor if it doesn't/shouldn't matter.
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Message 8 - posted by sixandnine, Mar 1, 2007

abl. Good point but following in the vein of PC, I believe the term is now Golli, with no reference to the offensive last three letters
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Message 9 - posted by Granger-Seasider, Mar 1, 2007

Here is your link Asiangirl.

www.dailymail.co.uk/...
What about moving civil service jobs out of Corby because it is to white, to leicester as there are more ethnic minorities in that city, is that not racism and PC bound as one.


Have you got a link for that? Where did you hear about that?

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Message 10 - posted by John of Paddington, Mar 1, 2007

Political Correctness started as a joke, then it went sour when 'Liberal' types started taking it serious. You could not call a spade a spade, it had to have a fancy name. Then came the stupid 'positive discrimination', ie you could not have Black boards but it was alright if they were white. Words like Black and Man almost became 'swearwords' and we had Acciden hotspots and personholes. Why am I asked what 'Race' I am when I go to Hospital? Has it anything to do with my treatment, I think not. If everyone is equal then Race or Religion does not matter.
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Message 11 - posted by charmOffensive, Mar 1, 2007

So, by shouting 'pc gone mad' it enables bigots to stifle debate.

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I think with that comment you have just completely negated all of your previous comments.

You have just demonstrated the very flaw in most PC left-wing opinions. You label other people as bigots, but they can't label you, why?

Regardless of what you may think of other peoples opinions, it doesn't give you the right to gag them.
Just use the tactics employed by some users on here, detract from the point, don't answer the question posed and learn how to be a politician.

Sure there are many issues in our society, but the reason most aren't dealt with is that so many people just cannot talk about risque issues. Some people hold these hypocritical values very close to heart so that when they are questioned, they fight tooth and nail to detract from the point and mask their own prejudices
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Message 12 - posted by asianboyleeds, Mar 1, 2007

Here is your link Asiangirl.

www.dailymail.co.uk/...

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Yes, exactly like i said. Totally twisted to further an agenda.

The guardian has the real reason's why the Prison Service relocated, from the horses mouth itself.

"The key factors that influenced our decision to relocate to Leicester were the closer proximity to a greater number of prison establishments, better transport links, the ability to recruit professional staff and the ability to attract a more diverse workforce.

the Prison Service said diversity issues were only a "secondary" consideration behind the real move.

The move was almost forced on officials as the building was in the middle of a major redevelopment plan going on in the centre of Corby.

He added: "To suggest the government is going to move offices for diversity reasons is ludicrous.

The potential sale of the property has given Her Majesty's Prison Service the opportunity to look at what provides the best option for the Prison Service and therefore the taxpayer."

taken from www.guardian.co.uk/p...

Isnt it funny how the dailymail as usual manages to twist this into the headline "The town branded too white and too British" - but of course, lets not let facts get in the way of a good ignorant rant :)

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Message 13 - posted by Vasili_Zaitsev, Mar 1, 2007

I agree with the OP. PC is 99 times out of 100 just a bunch of Jackanory made up by papers to sell to gullible readers. Most of these stories, like the xmas ones, turn out to be untrue.

How does it work? It goes like this.

At the editorial meeting on monday morning.
News editor: Right, what have we got today? Any PC-gone-mad stories?
Junior reporter: No, sorry boss.
News ed: Well how bout we make some? The council have a useless and underfunded press office. If we publish some story about (insert ludicrous story here, eg piggy banks banned or 'winter lights') it'll be three days later by the time they get their version of the story out, which we won't print anyway. Also they won't be able to sue us for libel. OK, what are you waiting for? Phone up a few Tory councillors and ask em for some stories!
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Message 14 - posted by Reverend_Green, Mar 1, 2007

P staines wrote - How about the police and Fire Service 'Having' to take on ethnic minorities so that it 'Balances' out with the population - how about no colour being mentioned on the application form and if you're good enough you're in whether that be 100% white or 100% black! Why is there a colour or ethnic origin place on any form - why monitor if it doesn't/shouldn't matter.

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I see Yodel is trying another puerile screen id
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Message 15 - posted by 800lbGorilla, Mar 1, 2007

If the Grauniad was any more reliable than the Mail (which, of course, it isn't) then its report might be of some more weight. The Grauniad is a well-known Left-leaning PC supporting paper and you need to remember that just as you need to remember the Mails leanings.

Where to find the truth? Goodness only knows.
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Message 16 - posted by Vasili_Zaitsev, Mar 1, 2007

You find the closest approximation to the truth by looking at the sources in a news story, whether they have any and if so, who they are.

The quotes in the guardian article are from the prison service.

You can't argue with that source on this issue.
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Message 17 - posted by 800lbGorilla, Mar 1, 2007

VZ - you have a very naive approach if you believe anything coming out of any Government Agency, especially under this spin-obsessed Government. Do you really think the Prison Service will tell you anything other than what they want you to believe?
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Message 18 - posted by Vasili_Zaitsev, Mar 1, 2007

Obviously you have to examine those primary sources too.

So, looking at this case, do you believe the fire service moved only for 'diversity reasons' as the Mail suggest and the quotes in the G are a way of covering that up? Or did they move for the variety of reasons the quotes suggest? I know which is more plausible.

What do you actually think in this case?



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Message 19 - posted by FatPeace - A Promise to Heather, Mar 1, 2007

Too much 'PC' with regards to certain groups, not enough in others. Believe me, if you want to stigmatize and discriminate against a section of society there are still plenty of perfectly acceptable candidates. Sizeism obviously, you can justify that by saying people have a choice (in terms of diet / exercise etc) to be big or not. Ageism is rampant in the popular media; older people are the butt of all manner of jokes and negative stereotypes / assumptions in a culture which is obsessed with youth and superficial fashion. Even classism is creeping back in (did it ever really go away?) with a growing assumption on the part of the Nanny State and the liberal elite that self-appointed 'experts' know what's best for poor people and make all manner of ill-informed judgements about you based on occupation, education, where you live etc.

And as for the way in which people who practise a certain religion (which shall remain nameless on this board so as not to draw the bigot brigade) are treated by British society and media, well I won't even go there.

In a way I do think there's been too much focus on PC. Just because it's become socially unacceptable or even illegal to make disparaging remarks about certain minority groups in public does not stop hate flourishing behind closed doors. And people just get better at hiding it - the press in the UK stop short at using the N-word or actually STATING that they think all Muslims are potential terrorists - but their 'news' agenda and the way in which they phrase things often give away their true underlying beliefs.

Ultimately I don't think we should be teaching people that you shouldn't use racist language, tell sexist jokes, point at fat people in the street or stare at a wheelchair user. No, the emphasis should be on WHY that behaviour is so unacceptable - because everyone is different but equally valuable. Collectively and as individuals we remain deeply suspicious of anyone who is not like ourselves in every way and it's this that needs to be challenged - focusing too narrowly on issues of semantics does not destroy the underlying attitudes behind words of hate, and normally just pushes the public expression of that hate onto a group which hasn't yet developed its own civil rights movement to fight its corner.
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Message 20 - posted by Slimtone, Mar 1, 2007

Have you got a link for that? :-D
I agree with the OP. PC is 99 times out of 100 just a bunch of Jackanory made up by papers to sell to gullible readers. Most of these stories, like the xmas ones, turn out to be untrue.

How does it work? It goes like this.

At the editorial meeting on monday morning.
News editor: Right, what have we got today? Any PC-gone-mad stories?
Junior reporter: No, sorry boss.
News ed: Well how bout we make some? The council have a useless and underfunded press office. If we publish some story about (insert ludicrous story here, eg piggy banks banned or 'winter lights') it'll be three days later by the time they get their version of the story out, which we won't print anyway. Also they won't be able to sue us for libel. OK, what are you waiting for? Phone up a few Tory councillors and ask em for some stories!

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