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Abortion.

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Message 281 - posted by U5848678, Feb 20, 2007

Yes, I can that sometimes, it's a totally emotional heart rending thing to do, I don't feel that's the case with ALL those thousands mentioned in the article.

There is also a case for adoption. There is a shortage of babies for childless couples.
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Message 282 - posted by Alex, Feb 20, 2007

Fishbait, a baby has been born at 21 weeks, weight 10 ozs, it has suvived, yes potential life is life, the taking of which is MURDER.

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When I had my adortion, I was told that the after 12 weeks they would not let anyone have an adortion. I don't know if that is true for all hospitals but it was for mine. Do you think that I am a murderer???????
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Message 283 - posted by U5848678, Feb 20, 2007

Well it would look one sided wouldn't it if that's all you're seeing.
No Yodeller. It would stop happening. There would be no sides.

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It'll stop happenening when the said person stops texting and ringing my ex works mobile - If i'm made to look a liar, then i'll put the record straight and you're not helping her by dragging it on on here right now. enough said on the matter to you. Unbenown to you, I am actually speaking to the person on another thread and she's apologised - so much for your take on it.
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Message 284 - posted by FayCoreGasm, Feb 20, 2007

We seem to have lost site of the options available here. Unjustly expensive - the 'morning after pill' can be taken up to 72 hours after unprotected sex. I presume people can identify by then if there is a need for this option. Or is this classed as some sort of early termination if conception has already taken place?

I know two women who have had terminations in the past, and whilst they didn't go round wailing and crying about it after, neither do they share the fact openly with others. It's not a decision either took on a whim. And YES both had loving supportive partners at the time SHOCK HORROR!
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Message 285 - posted by U5848678, Feb 20, 2007

There seems to have been as many people on here who have had or know somebody who have had abortions and talk about it like I talk about what i'm having for my tea.
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Message 286 - posted by FayCoreGasm, Feb 20, 2007

Was going to make some crack about chopped liver...but thought better of it ;-)
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Message 287 - posted by Tettie-Hat, Feb 20, 2007

When I had my adortion, I was told that the after 12 weeks they would not let anyone have an adortion. I don't know if that is true for all hospitals but it was for mine. Do you think that I am a murderer???????

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Alex

Heres some facts about abortion - hope it helps!

Abortion is legal in England, Wales and Scotland under 24 weeks of pregnancy (calculated from the first day of the woman's last period), but only if two doctors agree that it is necessary for one of the following reasons:

1. having the baby would harm the woman's mental or physical health more than having the abortion.

2. having the baby would harm the mental or physical health of any children she already has.

A young woman under 16 can have an abortion but special rules apply about consent.

An abortion is also legal AT ANY TIME in pregnancy if two doctors agree that:

1. the abortion is necessary to save the woman's life or prevent serious permanent harm to her mental or physical health.

2. there is a high risk that the baby would be seriously handicapped.


To get an abortion on the NHS, a woman needs to be referred by a doctor. Although the normal legal limit for abortion is 24 weeks, the NHS will normally only provide abortions if a woman is under 12 weeks pregnant. The NHS may consider later abortions due to serious health conditions.

Of cause, women can refer themselves for a private abortion. Early abortions start from around 350 and go up to 750 or above in the later stages. Abortion does not come cheap!

There are two main early abortion methods:

1. Medical abortion (known as 'the abortion pill')
Medical abortion can be performed in the first 9 weeks of pregnancy. It does not involve any surgery. The woman is given a pill (mifepristone) and 36 to 48 hours later, a tablet (prostaglandin) is placed in her vagina. These two drugs end most early pregnancies within the following four hours. It feels like having a heavy and rather painful period.

2. Vacuum aspiration (known as 'the suction method')
This method is available up to 13 weeks of pregnancy. For this procedure the woman has either a general or local anaesthetic. The abortion is carried out through the vagina and there is no wound or stitches. The cervix (the entrance to the womb at the top of the vagina) is gently stretched to allow a tube to pass through it into the womb. Once the tube is inserted, it only takes a minute to remove the pregnancy by suction. Healthy women take only an hour or so to recover and most go home the same day.

Methods used for later abortions will depend on the stage of pregnancy.
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Yodell

If 'caught out', I would have thought most women would much rather use either the emergency contraceptive pill (up to 72 hours after sex) or emergency intrauterine device (up to 120 hours after sex) both of which are available at family planning clinics, GP etc. rather than an abortion.
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Message 288 - posted by U5848678, Feb 20, 2007

Yodell

If 'caught out', I would have thought most women would much rather use either the emergency contraceptive pill (up to 72 hours after sex) or emergency intrauterine device (up to 120 hours after sex) both of which are available at family planning clinics, GP etc. rather than an abortion.

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Why don't they then. The 15 year old above for instance, or is that because it was unlawful underage sex anyway, it would be difficult getting hold of a morning after pill?
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Message 289 - posted by Tettie-Hat, Feb 20, 2007

Most do!
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Message 290 - posted by Ramslad, Feb 20, 2007

Fishbait, a baby has been born at 21 weeks, weight 10 ozs, it has suvived, yes potential life is life, the taking of which is MURDER.


When I had my adortion, I was told that the after 12 weeks they would not let anyone have an adortion. I don't know if that is true for all hospitals but it was for mine. Do you think that I am a murderer???????

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Alex,

Don't pay too much attention to John of Paddington.

It must have taken a lot of guts to post the fact you had an abortion on a public message board, good on you for being so honest.

For what my opinion is worth, of course you are not a murderer. I'm guessing you are pretty young and at the time were not in a position to care for a baby. I don't suppose for a minute you rushed happily into having an abortion, it must have been one hell of a decision to make.

You did what you felt was right at the time and nobody has the right to judge you for it.

Someone is bound to come back and say that you should have gone through with the pregnancy and given the child up for adoption, but this would probably have been as big, if not bigger emotional decision than having the abortion.
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Message 291 - posted by *RebelBadger*, Feb 20, 2007

The morning after pill is easily available from family planning clinics, it doesn't matter if your underage or not. That wasn't the factor. My 15 year old sister put the whole thing to the back of her mind and just thought that it wouldn't happen to her. This attitude is the problem. Plus the evergrowing population of graceless women who flaunt their barely covered bodies and think they can have sex like men.

The difference between me and my sisters attitude to sex and contraception is staggering. I don't know what happened in that 3 years (our age gap) but it really shows. Girls in my year at school were using the family planning clinic, picking up condoms and contraceptive pills. We were so scared of getting pregnant or catching something. I even went to the family planning clinic with a friend to talk about how to use condoms as we weren't shown properly at school. My sisters year however (although I can't speak for all of them) were different. My sister never used contraception until she got pregnant and neither did her friends.
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Message 292 - posted by U3467391, Feb 20, 2007

It`s a case of a child in a grown up body,menstruation comes earlier as well now,we were all about14or 15 now they are 12 or younger.,I do not believe in Abortion Alex but Rams is right in what he says to you.
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Message 293 - posted by Tettie-Hat, Feb 20, 2007

When I had my adortion, I was told that the after 12 weeks they would not let anyone have an adortion. I don't know if that is true for all hospitals but it was for mine. Do you think that I am a murderer???????

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Alex,

Don't pay too much attention to John of Paddington.

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I second that!

Wonder what JoP's stance is on ectopic pregnacies??? A laparoscopy is definitely not fun!

Com'mon JoP! lets here your view on this. Do you still think it 'murder' to remove the feotus even under those circumstances?
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Message 294 - posted by U5848678, Feb 20, 2007

Society as a whole is more carefree and careless.

Take away deterents such as (you could argue the death sentence) or what is it these days - prison, because they're over crowded - and what do you get - escalating crime.

Put in safe guards and get outs such as legalising abortion and what do you get - more risk taking and more abortions.

This is looking at it in black and white and I do know there are grey areas so no offence intended to those on here who did suffer or know of someone who suffered true trauma over their abortions and the choice they had to make.
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Message 295 - posted by Tettie-Hat, Feb 20, 2007

This is looking at it in black and white and I do know there are grey areas ...

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You hit the nail on the head there Yod's. Unfortunatley, that is the way which this thread has gone - too many people are assuming/emphasising abortion as merely a cop-out clause! But in a lot of cases it is not! In a lot of cases, there are no other options.

As far as the original post goes ...

Where do you stand now? Were you old enough in 1967 to remember the turmoil & consternation caused by its implementation? If you were given a chance today, would you vote to a) allow this Act to continue?, or b) vote to repeal or amend it?

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I would vote to amend the current 24 weeks (with the exception of medical problems of cause) in keeping with NHS abortion policy of 12 weeks. However, I would not want to see the Act abolished as that would serve no purpose other than putting women's lives at risk by using back street abortion clinic's!

For those who are opposed the Abortion Act - are those people also opposed to contraception - ie the pill? After all, all contraception is there to stop life - the arguement which seems to be put forward the most when it comes to being anti-abortion!




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Message 296 - posted by U4357578, Feb 20, 2007

Ahhhh, Zeph and Ramslad bringing sense to the argument. :)

I'm very jealous of their ability to stay calm and thoughtful in these heated debates.;)
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Message 297 - posted by Tettie-Hat, Feb 20, 2007

;) Jonah! You would not believe how many times I have to re-write my pre-posts, before finally posting my message on these discussions <laugh> <laugh>
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Message 298 - posted by U7239062, Feb 20, 2007

jonah you are dead wrong
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Message 299 - posted by Ramslad, Feb 20, 2007

Ahhhh, Zeph and Ramslad bringing sense to the argument. :)

I'm very jealous of their ability to stay calm and thoughtful in these heated debates.;)

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Me, bring sense to an arguement, ah thanks Jonah, nobody has ever said anything that nice about me before<blush><laugh>
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Message 300 - posted by U4357578, Feb 20, 2007

And sincerely meant Ramslad.
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