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Super-casino comes to Manchester

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Message 81 - posted by AbbeyWinters, Jan 30, 2007

Oh dear Rob has spit his dummy out of the pram, I'm not a Mancunian but you even manage to get under my skin, why do you have this unhealthy obsession with Manchester?

Rob if you dislike corruption so much then why do you follow it by supporting the Tory's, you must have a short memory, corruption on the most grand scale imaginable, scandal, poll tax, the illegal selling off of all the countries utility companies, wholesale closure of both medical and mental health institutions London -The city state,and anti gay laws are what the Tory's imposed on this country, we are well rid of that.

I don't think Blackpool deserved to win it, Blackpool would have been a bad choice, far better to place it with surrounding leisure facilities where it fits better, plus the transport links are far better, they said on the news it is where the one of the new lines for the Manchester trams are being built. Better to have it in a big modern northern city than a run down scruffy bucket and spade resort. I even hear we are getting a smaller version in West Yorkshire, so good news for all I say!
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Message 82 - posted by keithscampy, Jan 30, 2007

A super casino in Manchester or Blackpool only serves to rubbish the north west even further. The London mobsters should have got it then they could have helped finance their 'Olympic Village' instead of the rest of the country. Anyway, Blackpool would not be suitable as it'll be under 3ft of water soon (so they say!!!!!!!!):-(
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Message 83 - posted by Buzza2007, Jan 30, 2007

This is just not any Asda Store, it is Wal Marts largest UK store.



Just looked on the article and it's next door to an ASDA!!! <laugh><laugh><laugh><laugh><laugh>

www.bbc.co.uk/manche...

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Message 84 - posted by tripoli62, Jan 30, 2007

Researcher, at a guess, I would say that over 50% of the population of Greater Manchester were born in the county of Lancashire including Mancunians. It is stated on our birth certificates. Prior to April 1974, nearly all of Greater Manchester was in the county of Lancashire.

I am sorry but, Blackpool has only got its self to blame for its dilapidated state. It has lived off past glories long enough. the reason for that isn't the fault of Manchester but, is down to Its civic leaders.

Message 67 - posted by Researcher 4763517,

It makes sense to Lancastrians,which excludes the Mankey Mancs.
Makes sense? To who?

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Message 85 - posted by Deansgates_Returned, Jan 30, 2007

Manchester is no longer part of Lancashire, not since Greater Manchester county was formed.
and since when was manchester not in lancashire?
flutter.

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Researcher, I would have thought having a name like yours that you would actually do some research before making yourself look like an idiot.

We already know Manchester isn't part of Lancashire and thank goodness for that, just to educate you a little Manchester pre-dates Lancashire by many centuries so your question " since when was Manchester not in lancashire" has been answered.

For large parts Manchester has not needed to be falsely put into lancashire and once again is a thriving european city independent of the shackles of lancashire and proud to be back with it's boroughs and suburbs and the county of Greater Manchester.
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Message 86 - posted by *RebelBadger*, Jan 31, 2007

I'm so happy about this news and the fact that the BBC will be coming to Salford Quays. I've just bought the house I was renting and its M3 so very close to the city centre, a 10 minute walk from Deansgate. Hopefully my investment will pay off in a few years time with all this money being pumped into our glorious city :-)


Bet you were just over the moon when they announced congestion charging and night car parking. That should have wiped a couple of thousand off the value and thrown a big turd at your rose tinted glasses.

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Actually I walk to work and use public transport where ever possible so I hardly ever use my car, only to visit my family. The congestion charging and parking is not going to make much of an impact on my life although I still don't agree with it. As for knocking a couple of thousand off the price, well even if the charging comes into effect (with all the protests) its not going to make much of a dent in my profits. I've already asked 2 town and country planners who work in manchester, and know what plans are in store for my area and they say thats its a great investment. So have a great big giant turd back because I don't care :-)
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Message 87 - posted by Pooley-Bridge, Jan 31, 2007

It appears that the same casino operator at the Dome will be the one to operate the Manchester casino as well, this is all starting to smell bad, New Labour knew it would look bad for them if awarded to the Dome,so made sure it went to Manchester to keep John Prescott's buddy happy, because he might have wanted his cowboy suit back.
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Message 88 - posted by Gizmiester, Jan 31, 2007

I've just seen the plans and I think they are rubbish. All that space that they have / that needs regernating and they are sticking it on City's car park.....Crazy if you ask me. I really think that Manchester was bottom of the bookies table for a reason and these plans just prove it. (and I'm from the Manchester area as well)
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Message 89 - posted by oops, Jan 31, 2007

morning Giz, how are you today, still grumpy i see.
don`t you think this is a good investment in manchester, and shows manchester has more to offer than london ?


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Message 90 - posted by Gizmiester, Jan 31, 2007

Hiya Oops, Personally I'd have thought Blackpool would have been a better place but I can see the reasoning behind Manchester. I just think the location could have been better. IT they really want to do summat about that area, they should pull down the Bang thing as it's falling apart anyway.

Why do they want to hide the stadium (that is in my opinion a lot better looking than the casino plans) after spending a load of money on it and hide it behind a piece of flashy glass?
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Message 91 - posted by Bazza, Jan 31, 2007

Casino! Great, people can go an lose their income!

Sounds great fun! Their chances of winning, are 17%!
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Message 92 - posted by oops, Jan 31, 2007

giz, there is a huge wasteland beside the stadium, which is needs development, you have the massive asda, the stadium, velodrome, sportcity,go a bit further down the road and you have manchester fort shopping complex in cheetam hill, go in the other direction and you go into the city centre, so comeon Gizmo, what better position for the casino can there be.seems to me the perfect position
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Message 93 - posted by Dwaine Benzie, Jan 31, 2007

If people are stupid enough to spend all their disposable income in a casino, then good luck to them! As long as it benefits the regeneration and reputation of Manchester then i'm happy.
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Message 94 - posted by Pooley-Bridge, Jan 31, 2007

Please explain how Manchester pre-dates Lancashire by centuries.
Manchester is no longer part of Lancashire, not since Greater Manchester county was formed.
and since when was manchester not in lancashire?
flutter.


Researcher, I would have thought having a name like yours that you would actually do some research before making yourself look like an idiot.

We already know Manchester isn't part of Lancashire and thank goodness for that, just to educate you a little Manchester pre-dates Lancashire by many centuries so your question " since when was Manchester not in lancashire" has been answered.

For large parts Manchester has not needed to be falsely put into lancashire and once again is a thriving european city independent of the shackles of lancashire and proud to be back with it's boroughs and suburbs and the county of Greater Manchester.

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Message 95 - posted by AlbertoSqaure, Jan 31, 2007

You all know that the 'Stopping free parking in the evenings and weekends' plan has been scrapped? Snuggled in yesterday's news that seems to have been overlooked (as was Rolf 'Where's my shins' Harris's vist to Manchester yesterday).

Also, Sir Howard Bernstein on the local bbc news suggested it wasn't 100% certain that the casino would be built at Eastlands/Sportcity...which is a little dubious...

The casino itself, I'm led to believe, totals only 10% of the whole development - Hotels/Restaurants/Water Park/Urban Sports etc.
Little worried over the quality of the build - not entirely convinced of the quality of the Beetham Tower on Deansgate which was designed by the same architect as this new super casino.
First off though we have the giant Norman Foster windmill to look forward to :)

But overall this development will link seamlessly to the city center via New Islington (read about 2 billion worth of worj going on there)/Ancoats/Northern Quarter...we might just have that international city yet.

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Message 96 - posted by Granger-Seasider, Jan 31, 2007

There is regeneration in Blackpool not as fast as we would like it to be, but it has started, you say it is the fault of Blackpool council, they have applied for funding from the Government on many occasions but always fail, because Manchester has to come first to shore up the Labour vote, which over the last 5 years has shrunk rapidly, make the most of the cash they throw at you because the way Labour are wasting the nations wealth sooner rather than later nothing will be left to throw about without major reforms.
I like Blackpool, somewhere to take the kids sometimes but honestly ,what has blackpool done to regenerate it self,it is the same old tired pleasure beach, same old piers.the council has done nothing for the city,after all why help a city that is not helping itself.in manchester at least you can see the new developments, see the new vibrancy, this is a city that is going places and maybe that is what the casino committee saw .

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Message 97 - posted by atillthehunMBE, Jan 31, 2007

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As a Manc from the North of the city centre I am saddened by this move in many ways. Most people only look at the economic perspective of such a move without weighing up the real COSTS and benefits to the local community.

Do people really believe that American/foreign companies involved will be ploughing their huge profits back into the local economy?

What about the potential number of increased addictions (and the financial impact on their families, etc.) not to mention the false hope that these institutions bring to the local economy?

Is this the only way we can regenerate this and similar areas?

In 2005, 53bn was spent on gambling in the UK alone (National Audit Office). 76% of men (90% of young men) and 68% of women gamble each year (Times).

These figures represent an indication of the quick-fix/quick-buzz society we live in. Escapists, until the money runs out and people are forced to face their realities.

The house always wins.

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Message 98 - posted by brightonactually - If you have a daughter, bounce her on your knee, if you have a son, don't have a referee, Jan 31, 2007

I think the main reason Manchester won the bid was because it has a track record of delivering on major projects. Acquiring that expertise has been a long process which started with the city centre mill conversions in the early 90s.

Manchester's expansion and re-development has been an organic process planned to tackle areas of the city in a manageable way.

Obviously the IRA bomb provided more impteus, but I think it's fair to say that Manchester - the city centre at least - is now a fine example of how a city should look. AJP Taylor would have been flabbergasted.

My own city of Brighton can't organise the proverbial brewery outing.

As for the inter-city rivalry that blights these boards, shouldn't people just be pleased the casino's not going to the dome. I'm not a London hater, but am always relieved when major projects are not based in the capital.

I for one, was wholeheartedly behind Birmingham's bid to be the venue of the national footie stadium, and was delighted for Glasgow and now Liverpool to be the city of culture. I plan to get up to Liverpool as often as possible in 2008.
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Message 99 - posted by Carl, Jan 31, 2007

A few points;

What has happened to Mancunians? This is terrible. I mean, you all go on about London, but Mancunians are clearly the new Londoners. Whinge moan gloat gloat whinge gloat gloat.

Where has this massive chip on the shoulder and inflated ego come from? No doubt these same posters like to portray themselves as salt-of-the-earth types when they're not on the board, but this petty, shallow rivalry that you and Brummies are so keen to get involved isn't becoming of Brits/Englishmen. Where is the fair play, the reserved attitude, the quiet pride?

It didn't used to be like this, and most of the Mancs I meet in the city's pubs- I mean REAL pubs such as the Peveril of the Peak, City Arms, Marble Arch etc., not identikit wine bars- are not like this at all!!
I personally like to visit both cities and each has its pros and cons- the cons mostly being recent developments- but you lot are primitive! MINES BIGGER THAN YOURS!

Next, just look at Deansgate's hysteria about Manchester being in Lancashire- 'falsely placed in Lancashire' 'shackles of Lancashire' 'once again a thriving European city'!!! THE INJUSTICE OF IT ALL! What is your obsession with Lancashire?? I mean, I'll admit, most people don't care either way, but you! Pray tell me Rob, when was Manchester last a thriving European City- the Middle Ages?

Yet again, I lay down the gauntlet. Prove that Manchester isn't in Lancashire. Stick to the issue in hand, and actually ANSWER THE QUESTION for once. I'll expect the usual pile of irrelevant information about red tape and pet names like 'sunshine' that are presumably intended to patronise. Stick to Sale and your Cheshire cheese.

Back to the point, how on earth can the 'win' of this poisoned chalice ever be celebrated, except to mouth off and feel smug about yourselves? Manchester's real culture and heritage- you know, the thing that ACTUALLY attracts tourism- is being drained out of it daily by moneymen, vacuous politicians and NuLabour's disastrous policy of social irresponsibility.

It's a sad day for Manchester, and even sadder that the once great people of a great city are reduced to gullible egotists seeking such instant gratification.

Don't you realise that this attitude problem is turning Boltonians, Stopfordians, Wiganers, Oldhamers- the very people you try in vain to proclaim as your own- against you? And don't label me with the usual paranoid, whinging tag of 'Manchester-hater', because I'm not. I don't enjoy this you know, and i won't stop visiting Manchester, but please try to arrest the decline and stop the decadent rot! Please don't all lower yourselves to Rob's standards!
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Message 100 - posted by Dwaine Benzie, Jan 31, 2007

Brightonactually - nice to see someone with a balanced and constructive viewpoint!

The problem with Blackpool was they played the guilt card - claiming their economy would crumble if they didn't get the casino. This is no way to base a successful bid and the committee didn't want to know. They only have themselves to blame.
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