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Super-casino comes to Manchester

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Message 61 - posted by MancMan, Jan 30, 2007

If Blackpool had won it was ideal for regenerating the whole area and making it a real resort destination.

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But then by the same token, this project will further help with the regeneration of East Manchester. Why is that a problem for you?

London would have found a viable use for the Millennium Dome and has the international visitors to make the place a success.

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Read the BBC report - London's bid was already a bit dubious seeing as how AEG had already started development work prior to knowing the outcome of the bid! And whether you like it or not rob, Manchester also has plenty of international visitors. This isn't hyperbole from me, this is a statement of fact. OK, nowhere near the same numbers as London, but miles ahead of Blackpool.

Manchester's proposal is awful - next door to an ASDA in the middle of a violent urban wasteland! It's in an isolated location - they could have at least made it within walking distance of the city centre, but it's miles away!

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Calling it awful is completely your opinion.
Don't you have Asdas in Brum?
Yes it's close to Asda, but also the City Of Manchester Stadium. I've walked to the stadium in about half an hour from Manchester, and I'm pretty sure that the planned Metrolink extension will head through East Manchester towards Ashton.
"Violent urban location?" Well all three proposed locations were centred around urban bases, and what makes you think this particular part of Manchester is so violent when compared with the other sites?

It will have no surrounding life, vibrancy or attractions. The proposals are for a gaming hall only - other cities were likely to benefit from additional sporting or conference facilities that might have added some benefit to the area.

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Actual plans for super casinos state that there will also be "entertainment arena, swimming pool, urban sports venue, restaurants, bars, nightclub and hotel." All this alongside the National Squash Arena, the Velodrome, and the stadium as I've already mentioned. There's already stuff on offer, and more will now follow.....that's part of the plan, surely! What else would, for example, Blackpool, been able to offer in terms of "surrounding life, vibrancy or attractions"?

Given this, there is no way it can be compared to Las Vegas, Monte Carlo or even Melbourne - as I've said before the only realistic comparison is "Stab" City in Birmingham which shares a similar type of isolated location and has never really been a success - mainly because of security issues which are likely to be even worse in Manchester!

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First off, I don't see how you can draw a "realistic comparison" between Birmingham's "Stab City" as you put it, and with something that hasn't even happened in Manchester....don't tar the rest of us with Brum's problems!<laugh>
Secondly, you compare it to other international venues, again, before it's even been built? Let's put this into perspective anyway - are there MANY places in the world that can be compared with Vegas and Monte Carlo? Can Stab City compare?
Would Blackpool have been able to compare? What about London, which could have potentially created even more of a South East bias in the country?

I'd like you to honestly answer this rob...WHY is it that you want to condemn this so quickly, without giving it more of a chance?
Unless you really have such a negative opinion of Manchester, of course, that you're willing to write this off before it's begun.
I think we all know the answer, given your post history......;)
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Message 62 - posted by U7209542 - alt id 7 (all banned), Jan 30, 2007

Well done Manchester.
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Message 63 - posted by Friscopete, Jan 30, 2007

Some of the gloating going on on this board about gambeling adiction and social problems caused by casinos are so lop sided. I visit Las Vegas a couple of times a year. (I only live an hour away in California). Sure there are people with gambeling problems but a Casino will not create any more people with a problem than already exists. There are betting shops on every street corner in the U.K. There is the lottery, the football pools, Small casinos.....In other words, if someone in the U.K. wants to gamble there are already many ways for them to do that. What can possibly be the down side of building a large multi purpose resort where you can also gambel? It will create hundreds, if not thousands of jobs and millions in new tax revenues. Benefiting many many people. It will also enhance Manchester as a destination. This is only the first "Super Casino" in Britain. In ten years there will be many such casino's in many different places. Just like Las Vegas, let the good times role!!!
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Message 64 - posted by U7121890, Jan 30, 2007

Mancman extremely well put logical argument but unfortunately it's wasted on Bobby Boy, he's not playing with a full deck unfortunately. Besides it might be lights out at the asylum around this time.
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Message 65 - posted by MancMan, Jan 30, 2007

Cheers, bd!
I thought, seeing as how he'd made such a long post, I'd do him the favour of replying properly....for all the good it'll do!
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Message 66 - posted by U4794774, Jan 30, 2007

sirrogerknightly,
gambling is against my beliefs, that does not mean that i cannot be happy seeing this massive investment in my city.for the record i will not be gambling in the casino but best of luck to anyone who is.lady luck will shine on you.

and since when was manchester not in lancashire?

mancman. will you be anjoying a flutter.
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Message 67 - posted by Granger-Seasider, Jan 30, 2007

It makes sense to Lancastrians,which excludes the Mankey Mancs.
Makes sense? To who?

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Message 68 - posted by Granger-Seasider, Jan 30, 2007

Coldecember Manchester is no longer part of Lancashire, not since Greater Manchester county was formed.
sirrogerknightly,
gambling is against my beliefs, that does not mean that i cannot be happy seeing this massive investment in my city.for the record i will not be gambling in the casino but best of luck to anyone who is.lady luck will shine on you.

and since when was manchester not in lancashire?

mancman. will you be anjoying a flutter.

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Message 69 - posted by MancMan, Jan 30, 2007

It makes sense to Lancastrians,which excludes the Mankey Mancs.
Makes sense? To who?

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Still bitter, it seems.
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Message 70 - posted by Granger-Seasider, Jan 30, 2007

What do you mean still bitter, i have only been on the message board 5 minutes, are you mancs forgeting the CAP have only made a recomendation it still has to be passed by all sides of the house, and watching them on tv today Manchester does not seem to be a popular choice, even among Labour members so hold fire with counting your chickens just yet.
It makes sense to Lancastrians,which excludes the Mankey Mancs.
Makes sense? To who?


Still bitter, it seems.

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Message 71 - posted by AbbeyWinters, Jan 30, 2007

Of course you have followed it Rob, you are obsessed with anything Manchester. It is amazing how jealousy can drive someone, in Rob's case this obsessive compulsive disorder with Manchester is taking over his life. Have some common sense for god sake Rob and walk away with what little pride you have left, you are making yourself look very fool hardy and envious with your un-warranted and ridiculous attacks upon Manchester. Whatever happens in Manchester Rob will always try's to put a negative spin on it,one has to question why this is ?
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Message 72 - posted by MancMan, Jan 30, 2007

I got you confused with an earlier poster which is why I said "still bitter".
For that confusion, I apologise.

BUT...."Mankey Mancs"? What's the problem with Manchester?
I'm certainly not forgetting anything that you've pointed out, but there does seem to be quite a few posters coming on this thread who aren't happy about what's happened today. Why is it such a problem for you?
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Message 73 - posted by Granger-Seasider, Jan 30, 2007

Because in my opinion Manchester has had more than enough inward investment over the last 10 years and Blackpool has had nothing, it is my opinion that other parts of the North-west now get a chance to get their snouts in the trough, also in one of your earlier posts you state that Manchester receives more visitors than Blackpool, look i know trade has slowed at the seaside but they still get 10 million visitors a year, are you saying Manchester receive more????
I got you confused with an earlier poster which is why I said "still bitter".
For that confusion, I apologise.

BUT...."Mankey Mancs"? What's the problem with Manchester?
I'm certainly not forgetting anything that you've pointed out, but there does seem to be quite a few posters coming on this thread who aren't happy about what's happened today. Why is it such a problem for you?

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Message 74 - posted by U4794774, Jan 30, 2007

abby,
In an earlier thread, Rob said he was trying to educate us manc,
so kids, what have learnt so far?
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Message 75 - posted by Granger-Seasider, Jan 30, 2007

Actual plans for super casinos state that there will also be "entertainment arena, swimming pool, urban sports venue, restaurants, bars, nightclub and hotel." All this alongside the National Squash Arena, the Velodrome, and the stadium as I've already mentioned. There's already stuff on offer, and more will now follow.....that's part of the plan, surely! What else would, for example, Blackpool, been able to offer in terms of "surrounding life, vibrancy or attractions"?

What are you talking about Mancman are you sure you have even visited Blackpool before, if you have do you happen to have a white stick by any chance.
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Message 76 - posted by Dwaine Benzie, Jan 30, 2007

Researcher - sorry but live with it. Manchester is where it's at baby! Ca-ching ca-ching!!
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Message 77 - posted by MancMan, Jan 30, 2007

Actual plans for super casinos state that there will also be "entertainment arena, swimming pool, urban sports venue, restaurants, bars, nightclub and hotel." All this alongside the National Squash Arena, the Velodrome, and the stadium as I've already mentioned. There's already stuff on offer, and more will now follow.....that's part of the plan, surely! What else would, for example, Blackpool, been able to offer in terms of "surrounding life, vibrancy or attractions"?

What are you talking about Mancman are you sure you have even visited Blackpool before, if you have do you happen to have a white stick by any chance.

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White stick? Not the last time I looked.
I work with some guys from Blackpool, a couple are glad the super-casino didn't happen there, another is really peed off that Manchester got it. One lad actually can't stand the place. Why am I telling you that? Because it's all about different opinions, that's all.
I certainly wasn't slagging Blackpool off with that post, I was presenting a counter-point to someone who does nothing more than slag Manchester off. I said "for example Blackpool" because that's ALL it was, AN EXAMPLE between the three sites.

If Blackpool's bid failed, why don't you look at the reasons why, instead of bleating about how it's Manchester's fault?
Seems to me you've got a chip on your shoulder about something; I said you weren't bitter but your past few posts have proved me wrong, you're as bitter as the other fella.
BORED WITH BITTERNESS!
No point in continuing this.
Good night.
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Message 78 - posted by U2502005, Jan 30, 2007

I never in my life thought I would say this but I may have to seriously consider voting Tory in the next General Election! Looks like Brum is getting the Tory Party Conference in 2008 (...to be announced in the next few days) and of course David Cameron is also a Villa fan! Looks like he could be a refreshing change from the out of touch, corrupt way the Labour party seems to be moving at the moment.

Blackpool really should have won this and it's a disgrace that a bid as poor as that offered by an out of town retail park in Manchester should have been allowed to win!

PS Take a look at some of the other messageboards discussing this - as I've said before you mancunians are not liked in the rest of the UK!<biggrin>
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Message 79 - posted by U4794774, Jan 30, 2007

I like Blackpool, somewhere to take the kids sometimes but honestly ,what has blackpool done to regenerate it self,it is the same old tired pleasure beach, same old piers.the council has done nothing for the city,after all why help a city that is not helping itself.in manchester at least you can see the new developments, see the new vibrancy, this is a city that is going places and maybe that is what the casino committee saw .
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Message 80 - posted by MancMan, Jan 30, 2007


You talk about Labour being out of date and corrupt - where were you when the Tories were last in power???
If Manchester's bid was so poor, what does that say about Blackpool's bid or London's bid? And before anyone jumps on me for that comment, I'm asking rob a question, not saying that the other bids were crap!<doh>

By the way rob - you let your choice of political party be influenced by the football team that their leader follows! PRICELESS! <laugh><laugh><laugh><laugh><laugh><laugh><laugh><laugh><laugh><laugh><laugh><laugh><laugh><laugh><laugh><laugh>
You prove your class with every single post that you make, rob, you really do.


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