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Gay couples fostering v the Church

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Message 1 - posted by Tony_Wadsworth, Jan 24, 2007

The Government is on the horns of a dilemma over new rules for adoption agencies.

Roman Catholic bishops are warning that adoption agencies run by their church may have to close down if they are required to offer babies to gay couples under the new regulations.

The head of the Catholic Church in England and Wales has written to Cabinet ministers explaining that the church's teaching prevents its agencies from placing children with gay couples.

"Straightforward blackmail that risks undermining democracy" is what the Catholic Church is being accused of by the National Secular Society.

The leaders of the Church of England have also stepped into the debate, warning the Government not to take a step which might lead religious people to feel that their consciences bar them from undertaking valuable public service.

The Lesbian and Gay Christian Movement has written to ministers calling on them to reject the plea for exemption by the Catholic Church. The letter said the "over-riding principle" in all family law - including adoption and fostering - was what was in the best interests of the child.

Do you agree?

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Message 2 - posted by BasfordBill, Jan 24, 2007

A magistrate has resigned too because of this issue, where will it go from here?

Some MPs will be displaying their hypocrisy now, along with others.
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Message 3 - posted by Tettie-Hat, Jan 24, 2007

I suppose we have to ask ourselves which is better for the child;

1. To be brought up in a happy and stable gay-couple environment
2. To be brought up in a children’s home



What about the prospects of bullying? Would children adopted by gay couples be more susceptible to bullying at school just because their adopted parents are of the same sex?

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Message 4 - posted by boggster, Jan 24, 2007

I think these days you can be bullied for pretty much anything - so that shouldn't stop the adoption process. The dilemma appears to be that less adoption agencies would be around with the new law, which would be worse for all the children needing parents. It's just a shame that the church cannot see that they let their believes be in the way of reducing suffering be it with the new law or without.


What about the prospects of bullying? Would children adopted by gay couples be more susceptible to bullying at school just because their adopted parents are of the same sex?

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Message 5 - posted by Tettie-Hat, Jan 24, 2007

TBH Bogger, I'm inclined to agree! Provided gay-couples are vetted to the same extent as straight couples (which I'm sure would be the case!).

What are the policies regarding single-parent adoptions? (Sorry - not really up to speed on adoption law)
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Message 6 - posted by BasfordBill, Jan 24, 2007

Good points Tet, I knew kids who were in childrens homes, and they were very bitter and resentful because of this, but a child (baby) too young to have any say in being placed with same sex adoptive parents could develop bitterness and/or resentment for these people and others like them, a difficult and unpleasant yet very real possibility.
I suppose we have to ask ourselves which is better for the child;

1. To be brought up in a happy and stable gay-couple environment
2. To be brought up in a children’s home



What about the prospects of bullying? Would children adopted by gay couples be more susceptible to bullying at school just because their adopted parents are of the same sex?


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Message 7 - posted by Tettie-Hat, Jan 24, 2007

Yes! I see your point Bill!

Hmmm ... Quite a dilema, isn't it? :(

Wonder how many kids have been brought up by lesbian couples? After all, with the help of a sperm doner, in theory any lesbian couple can have a baby without having to go through the adoption process.

Wonder what experiences these kids have had regards bullying etc., and if any of them have resented being brought up by same-sex couples? Would be interesting to find out what those kids (maybe now adults) have to say on this subject!

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Message 8 - posted by BasfordBill, Jan 24, 2007

Tet, I don't think (though I could be wrong) there are any 'adults' around yet who were brought up by same sex parents, it's a fairly recent thing isn't it?

Another thing, what if the couple were to separate, or 'divorce', who would get custody?

As it stands, the 'woman' has 99% of the law, I think?
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Message 9 - posted by boggster, Jan 24, 2007

It seems to me that you are looking at the problem from your perspective because of how you grew up. If you don't know any different, why would you suddenly start resenting the people you have loved as long as you can think, that you have grown up with - especially from as early as a baby? They are your parents, why should the relationship from the kids perspective be any different from a straight relationship? I think the kids are more likely to resent those who question their upbringing.
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Message 10 - posted by U5848678, Jan 24, 2007

Tet, I don't think (though I could be wrong) there are any 'adults' around yet who were brought up by same sex parents, it's a fairly recent thing isn't it?

Another thing, what if the couple were to separate, or 'divorce', who would get custody?

As it stands, the 'woman' has 99% of the law, I think?

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Well at least that wouldn't be a problem with lesbians ;)
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Message 11 - posted by BasfordBill, Jan 24, 2007

Boggster, the kids I referred too were mainly war orphans, they would have accepted any persons offering love/affection and security of a comfortable safe home, don't form the opinion that I'm indicating gay people cannot provide any of these things, because I'm not.
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Message 12 - posted by Tettie-Hat, Jan 24, 2007

Bill

I think it is safe to say that both lesbians and homosexuals have been around since the dawn of time.

I can remember visiting 'aunties' which lived together when I was a kid. Now, I assumed they were aunties and therefore related. But, were they?

One of them also had a son. Now this could have been all perfectly innocent, with one of them being married but who's spouse died thus making it economical sense for them all to move in together. Or, it could have been a lesbian relationship - only, no body knew about those things in those days or, if they did, it was all kept from me and those to whom it did not concern!

Up until recently homosexuality and lesbianism was unheard of. People did not think twice about same sex adults living together because it was just assumed they were brothers, sisters, cousins or whatever. All thoughts of same-sex relationships were either swept under the carpet or not realised due to ignorance.

As to separations etc, I really couldn't say - not as far as homosexuals adopting anyway. If a lesbian couple had had a child biologically, then its fair to say the natural mother would get custody. Lesbians adopting? Again, I'm at a lose as to an answer for that conundrum either!







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Message 13 - posted by BasfordBill, Jan 24, 2007

Sorry, gorra go, taking the kids swimming, back later, BFN.
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Message 14 - posted by deleted, Jan 24, 2007

Cannot comment on the adoption debate, but this is personal experience,
my nephews best friend shares a home with his mother, a lesbian and her lover, his parents are seperated, he doesn`t see his dad that often.i have seen this kid grow up, he used to be happy, wise beyond his tender years, now slowly as he goes through his teenage years, he is becoming rebelious, swears like a trooper, has already been suspended from school,can`t say too much about him as there is more, but talking to him he is not happy with his home situation.
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Message 15 - posted by boggster, Jan 24, 2007

How many teenagers are happy with their home situation? As it always is with these things - you can always find at least one example that appears to support every which view you want to take on this.
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Message 16 - posted by Tettie-Hat, Jan 24, 2007

And then there's Jade Goody who's mum is a lesbian, of cause .... <erm>

Not a good example really, was it?

Sorry to read about your nephew, Deleted. I hope he pulls through it ok - I'm sure he will!
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Message 17 - posted by Tony_Wadsworth, Jan 30, 2007

Tony Blair has now sought to draw a line under the damaging gay adoption row by finally ruling out exemptions for Catholic agencies.

Amid claims that weeks of bitter Cabinet infighting had further eroded his authority, the Prime Minister announced what he called a "sensible compromise" to the "difficult" issue.
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