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What did the Gov do with the Cornish petition of 50,000 signatures?

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Message 61 - posted by 800lbGorilla, Jan 22, 2007

gT - your problem is that we always have seen the difference which is why you won't get much support!


I don't think you saw the difference at all and just went off in a manner thinking and arguing about 'independence'. You are trying now to save face.

As for support, a devolved assembly has it - 55% in a Mori Poll, about 90% of County Coucillors, and all the MPs. So yours is not needed at the moment.

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Wrong again, gT! This whole question of devolution/independence was gone over almost ad infinitum some while ago with our Scots friends so there really was nothing new in connection with the Cornish issue.

You should not be so dismissive of support from outside Cornwall - if you are ever to get what you want you'll need it (in spades).
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Message 62 - posted by geoTamar, Jan 22, 2007

gT - your problem is that we always have seen the difference which is why you won't get much support!


I don't think you saw the difference at all and just went off in a manner thinking and arguing about 'independence'. You are trying now to save face.

As for support, a devolved assembly has it - 55% in a Mori Poll, about 90% of County Coucillors, and all the MPs. So yours is not needed at the moment.


Wrong again, gT! This whole question of devolution/independence was gone over almost ad infinitum some while ago with our Scots friends so there really was nothing new in connection with the Cornish issue.

You should not be so dismissive of support from outside Cornwall - if you are ever to get what you want you'll need it (in spades).

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Good stuff. There might be more to talk about with the Scotish situation soon!
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Message 63 - posted by IvanJellical, Jan 22, 2007

Maybe the Scots need to remember this;

The Cornish Stannaries were suspended as a consequence of the Cornish Rebellion of 1497. Henry VII restored them in return for a payment from the tin miners, at the time, enormous sum of 1000, to support his war on Scotland.

So Cornwall was granted back its Stannary Parliament, by the English King, for a payment to fund war with the Scots. Some "celtic solidarity" there eh?
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Message 64 - posted by U7209542 - alt id 7 (all banned), Jan 22, 2007

Why should the government take notice of a list cooked up by shoving biros connected yo sheets of foolscap under the noses of bemused trippers in Spar shops?
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Message 65 - posted by geoTamar, Jan 23, 2007

Maybe the Scots need to remember this;

The Cornish Stannaries were suspended as a consequence of the Cornish Rebellion of 1497. Henry VII restored them in return for a payment from the tin miners, at the time, enormous sum of 1000, to support his war on Scotland.

So Cornwall was granted back its Stannary Parliament, by the English King, for a payment to fund war with the Scots. Some "celtic solidarity" there eh?

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You forgot to mention that the reason for the Cornish Rebellion of 1497 was the refusal to pay the increased tax for the English war on Scotland!
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Message 66 - posted by geoTamar, Jan 23, 2007

Why should the government take notice of a list cooked up by shoving biros connected yo sheets of foolscap under the noses of bemused trippers in Spar shops?

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Hardly cooked up, it is one of the biggest political petitions ever produced in the UK and maybe Europe.

I originally signed mine on the internet. I then received a letter and a form, to authenticate signiture and address. Seemed pretty ship-shape to me.
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Message 67 - posted by Sholesa, Jan 23, 2007

You forgot to mention that the reason for the Cornish Rebellion of 1497 was the refusal to pay the increased tax for the English war on Scotland!

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But I'll bet that in 1497 they didn't get the tourists involved in their campaign!
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Message 68 - posted by newquayblu, Jan 23, 2007

"But I'll bet that in 1497 they didn't get the tourists involved in their campaign!"

Didn't they all meet up at Blackheath tourist information centre?
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Message 69 - posted by Kernow52, Jan 24, 2007

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Message 70 - posted by Kenver, Jan 24, 2007

"But I'll bet that in 1497 they didn't get the tourists involved in their campaign!"

Didn't they all meet up at Blackheath tourist information centre?

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Yes, they did !

en.wikipedia.org/wik...
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Message 71 - posted by KernowRydh, Jan 25, 2007

Why should the government take notice of a list cooked up by shoving biros connected yo sheets of foolscap under the noses of bemused trippers in Spar shops?

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It was one of the most scrupulously-conducted polls of modern times. Spurious names were removed. Duplicates were removed. Confirmation was sought where there was any ambiguity. If you want to cast doubt on the findings at least try and find some doubt before posting.
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Message 72 - posted by Fulup le Breton, Jan 25, 2007

Why should the government take notice of a list cooked up by shoving biros connected yo sheets of foolscap under the noses of bemused trippers in Spar shops?


It was one of the most scrupulously-conducted polls of modern times. Spurious names were removed. Duplicates were removed. Confirmation was sought where there was any ambiguity. If you want to cast doubt on the findings at least try and find some doubt before posting.

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And it seems so strange! Why won't the government tell us what they did and who they consulted? Surely its not an issue of state security?
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Message 73 - posted by formerly-warning, Jan 25, 2007


And it seems so strange! Why won't the government tell us what they did and who they consulted? Surely its not an issue of state security?

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Perhaps because they don't view it as a priority when stacked up against the war in Iraq, the spread of MRSA in hospitals, the failing of the education system, the threat of terrorism, global warming, etc, etc?
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Message 74 - posted by GummidgeW, Jan 25, 2007


And it seems so strange! Why won't the government tell us what they did and who they consulted? Surely its not an issue of state security?

Perhaps because they don't view it as a priority when stacked up against the war in Iraq, the spread of MRSA in hospitals, the failing of the education system, the threat of terrorism, global warming, etc, etc?

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Oh but when Cornwall is an independent country with its own currency (The Oggy)there will be no problems left in the world. LOL.

Cornwall lost the battle along time ago.

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Message 75 - posted by geoTamar, Jan 25, 2007

Why should the government take notice of a list cooked up by shoving biros connected yo sheets of foolscap under the noses of bemused trippers in Spar shops?


It was one of the most scrupulously-conducted polls of modern times. Spurious names were removed. Duplicates were removed. Confirmation was sought where there was any ambiguity. If you want to cast doubt on the findings at least try and find some doubt before posting.

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Exactly, well said KernowRydh
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Message 76 - posted by Fulup le Breton, Jan 25, 2007


And it seems so strange! Why won't the government tell us what they did and who they consulted? Surely its not an issue of state security?


Perhaps because they don't view it as a priority when stacked up against the war in Iraq, the spread of MRSA in hospitals, the failing of the education system, the threat of terrorism, global warming, etc, etc?

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Thats not the point and to be honest you have a very strange (dangerous) understanding of the freedom of informations act.

If it is so unimportant why don't they just release the information?
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Message 77 - posted by formerly-warning, Jan 25, 2007

Oh, I am sure that some poor minion in the civil service has been tasked with the fascinating job of following up on any tedious enquiries regarding the uninteresting petition on a question of little importance. Our taxes at work.
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Message 78 - posted by geoTamar, Jan 25, 2007

"uninteresting petition on a question of little importance"

Hardly f-w, it was the largest political petition indicating a big change in type of government seen in England for a long time. Maybe the biggest in the UK and Europe. A fully authenticated, signatured and addressed petition is quite something and shouldn't be buried deep!
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Message 79 - posted by formerly-warning, Jan 25, 2007

Nonetheless, tedious agitation over a minor fabricated regional grievance is not the issue I really want my government wasting its time and my money on, when hundreds are dying every day in Iraq, our school system is in a mess, the NHS continues to flounder despite the money thrown at it, the prison system is at breaking point, etc.
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Message 80 - posted by geoTamar, Jan 25, 2007

Nonetheless, tedious agitation over a minor fabricated regional grievance is not the issue I really want my government wasting its time and my money on, when hundreds are dying every day in Iraq, our school system is in a mess, the NHS continues to flounder despite the money thrown at it, the prison system is at breaking point, etc.

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My God, if that's a true reflection of the situation Cornwall demands devolution tonight!

None of these things, all totally exagerated in my view, have anything to do with the subject in question or indeed how the FOI act works. Get a grip man, you are not the only tax payer.
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