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A congestion charge for Nottingham?

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Message 1 - posted by Jeff Owen, Jan 8, 2007

They're seriously talking of introducing a congestion charge for Nottingham, like they've done in London, to try and keep cars off the roads in the City, and persuade people to use public transport.

Would this work for you? What would it take for you to leave your car at home? Do you think the traffic is getting worse? Is it taking you longer to get from A to B through the City centre, or to get to work, than it used to?

What would be a fair price to pay each day to drive in to town?

Do you think there's no way a congestion charge could work until the tram's finished, public transport is better, and we've got a decent network of cycle tracks?
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Message 2 - posted by dm8192, Jan 9, 2007

The reason we have congestion at national level is that the government have taken Road Tax off us, but not spent it on roads - now they want to use their dishonesty as an excuse to take even more money off us for nothing in return.

The reason that we have congestion at local level is that the council is institutionally anti-car, and delights in creating it, with unnecessary bus lanes, traffic lights being made 4-way with excessive "dead" times built in, and unwarranted road closures and diversions.

Now the government is effectively telling local councils "If you can create enough congestion, we will let you rob the people caught up in it". A thoroughly irresponsible and despicable policy.
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Message 3 - posted by bogrog, Jan 9, 2007

Properly enforced bus lanes would be a good start - vehicles parked or queueing in bus lanes reduces their usefulness. I'm in favour of any mechanism that reduces the number of single occupancy vehicles coming into the city, though I'm not sure the tram - seems like more of a municipal vanity project to me.
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Message 4 - posted by Kenny_Notts, Jan 10, 2007

Hi,

I can only speak from my own point of view so here goes. I agree totally with the whole idea of pay for what you use.

I am lucky enough to work from home and as a very low milage user I resent paying the same car tax as, for example, a sales rep who travels hundreds of miles a week.

One thing is clear, there are too many cars on our roads - FULL STOP. No one can argue with that and something has to be done. Yes we can all sit here and moan about the government and what they should or shouldnt have done about the roads in the past. Thats all water under the bridge and we have to focus on the present so what can be done NOW and in the near future to get cars off our roads.

Having a city centre gridlocked is no good for all concerned - again that can not be argued against so we have to come up with ways to stop it both short term and long term.

As an example - I know of one family of four where they have FIVE cars between then. The Dad has two cars - one for work and one for the weekends, The mum has one and both the son and daughter have one. This is total madness - where is it going to end.

I have just watched a TV news report on East Midlands Today where one young lady was moaning that a conjestion charge in Nottingham City would force her off the road during her daily commute to work - well DOH thats what its ment to do. Its ment to cut down on the number of cars going into a certain area.

I have occasion to travel through London on Business and to avoid the Charge there, I have worked out a route that avoids areas that generate the charge. OK so it adds an extra hour on my journey but I dont mind.

Having said all of the above - I also reconise that public transport leaves a hell of a lot to be desired. Its badly run, too expensive and can not be relied on but thats something the goverment needs to urgently address.

As a footnote - I feel what ever is suggested these days is met by a barrage of complaints by some part of our society - it seems a thankless task but it does have to be done. YES, it will always Inconvenience someone or the other, and YES, if you are a high user who parks within the city boundarys everyday then you will have to pay dearly for clogging our poor city up. You cant have it all ways.

Just for the record, i am not some moaning old codger - far far from it but I am a realist who cares about our city and can see how bad things are getting.
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Message 5 - posted by woolwinder, Jan 10, 2007

Some of the congestion has been deliberately created by local highways departments to encourage bus and tram use. The designers of the schemes seem to think that everyone on the roads at peak times is going to the city centre where there may be suitable public transport. For anyone making journeys around the city public transport is often not sensible where by bus it would take 2 hours and by car 15 mins. The deliberate "choking" of roads is creating congestion and pollution and now after creating some of the problem with public money they want to charge extra.
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Message 6 - posted by h3rjp2, Jan 10, 2007

As an example - I know of one family of four where they have FIVE cars between then. The Dad has two cars - one for work and one for the weekends, The mum has one and both the son and daughter have one. This is total madness - where is it going to end.

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I'm not entirely sure of your point here; do you think all families should just have 1 car?

Don't know about you, but i've never managed to drive more than one at once....
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Message 7 - posted by solair, Jan 10, 2007

I'm sorry but they are taking the micky my father in law lives in London and he says it has made little difference to the traffic there. OK lets put a charge in Nottingham, and lets watch the center die, people will go some place else. Out of town shopping parks ect.

I'm sorry this government is bent on taxes us to hell and back any way they can! And what about the horror stories of when you get a summons for NOT paying your charge and you've not been into town. This is still happening lot in London, and people have even been taken to court over it!

If its not one thing its another, now if you spent more money on the buses make them better. Let them use red diesel, so they don't pay for tax and so they savings can be passed onto the passengers. Then myself and a lot of other people would start to use them, but at the moment they are dirty, smelly and over crowded.

Thats all I got to say on the point. Have a good night
Si
As an example - I know of one family of four where they have FIVE cars between then. The Dad has two cars - one for work and one for the weekends, The mum has one and both the son and daughter have one. This is total madness - where is it going to end.


I'm not entirely sure of your point here; do you think all families should just have 1 car?

Don't know about you, but i've never managed to drive more than one at once....

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Message 8 - posted by dm8192, Jan 10, 2007

"I am lucky enough to work from home and as a very low milage user I resent paying the same car tax as, for example, a sales rep who travels hundreds of miles a week. "

- But you only pay a fraction of the fuel tax that the rep pays. With petrol taxed at about 400% it only takes a few tankfuls to outweigh car tax.

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Message 9 - posted by Member 2511856, Jan 10, 2007

Kenny I agree with everything you say but I find this bit difficult to understand:

I have occasion to travel through London on Business and to avoid the Charge there, I have worked out a route that avoids areas that generate the charge. OK so it adds an extra hour on my journey but I dont mind.

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Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the congestion charge 5? Assuming that during this hour your car is using some petrol, let's say about 2 worth then to save 3 you are prepared to waste an hour of your time. If you waste another hour on your way out then your hourly rate drops to 1.50. You must be in a very low-paid job.

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Message 10 - posted by Member 2511856, Jan 10, 2007

I'm all for congestion charging and road pricing and it should be on a sliding scale according to time. If you drive into town in the middle of the night then nothing. During the peak periods then say 5 each time you pass a defined point. In the middle of the day 1 The money raised (after VAT) should be ring-fenced and used to improve your journey into town so that you waste less time in jams, waiting for buses which don't turn up or are full etc. It should be designed so that unless you value your time at less than the minimum wage it is good value to pay the charge and have an easier journey.

A lot of motorists seem to oppose spending money on things like trams. The idea of trams is to get cars off the road and as reported in the Post, and discussed on another thread they have done this. By getting cars off the road it makes it easier for those who choose to take their car into town due to less congestion. It also makes it more pleasant for pedestrians and cyclists.
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Message 11 - posted by U2022869, Jan 10, 2007

Well I for one have not gone into Nottingham city centre for years. I have no need too. However I did go there just before Christmas and got in and out very easily. I had to pay 1.40 in the car park for about 10 minutes which I found a bit excessive. I also had to pay nearly twice as much for the item I purchased. I will not be making that journey again. I will continue go out of town as well as using the internet. The city centre has nothing to attract me.
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Message 12 - posted by formerly-warning, Jan 10, 2007

If it would reduce the traffic on Nottingham's roads, then I would certainly be in favour. However, not if it is introduced in the form of the workplace car parking levy mooted a few years back, which I cannot see would make any difference to the level of cars on the roads. First, once you have paid it for the year, there is absolutely no incentive to leave the car at home on days when the sun is shining or there is no rush to get to work. Second, it will have no impact at all on the school run, since they would not be liable for the charge. Judging from quite how much easier rush hour is as soon as the school term ends, it is clearly responsible for a significant part of the problem, and it would be good to come up with some way of convincing the good folk of The Park that dear little Tabitha and Piers might benefit from the walk.
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Message 13 - posted by BasfordBill, Jan 10, 2007

I'm all for congestion charging and road pricing and it should be on a sliding scale according to time. If you drive into town in the middle of the night then nothing. During the peak periods then say 5 each time you pass a defined point. In the middle of the day 1 The money raised (after VAT) should be ring-fenced and used to improve your journey into town so that you waste less time in jams, waiting for buses which don't turn up or are full etc. It should be designed so that unless you value your time at less than the minimum wage it is good value to pay the charge and have an easier journey.

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Being a non driving pavement cyclist, you 'would'.

A lot of motorists seem to oppose spending money on things like trams. The idea of trams is to get cars off the road and as reported in the Post, and discussed on another thread they have done this. By getting cars off the road it makes it easier for those who choose to take their car into town due to less congestion. It also makes it more pleasant for pedestrians and cyclists.

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The number of cars has remained the same, if not increased, "The idea of trams is to get cars off the road", the 'idea' has fallen flat on it's face, completely backfired, and proved the tram nuts wrong, and you know it, read the article again.
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Message 14 - posted by BasfordBill, Jan 10, 2007

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Message 15 - posted by h3rjp2, Jan 11, 2007

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the congestion charge 5?

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The congestion charge is now 8.00...
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Message 16 - posted by mattl4800, Jan 11, 2007

hi,
This is just another stealth tax by this government. I work in a specialized trade which I have worked all my life to get into. This means I have to travel through nottingham and derby every day. I already pay tax on my fuel to get to work. Tax on all my servicing and parts on my car and road tax. This government has proved with road tax and speeding fines that the money that we give to them is not used where it should be so why should congestion charging be any different? If i wanted to get to work on public transport I would have to make four changes per journey! I would leave at 7am and get to work at 11am! If congestion charges come in I will not be able to afford to go to work, this government will take away my right to work in the job of my choice. I will then join one of the millions of unemployed, but hey I wont pay any congestion charge when im sat on my bum at home!
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Message 17 - posted by stabbomagpiedave, Jan 11, 2007

In my opinion, the only way they can even consider having a congestion charge in Nottingham (or any city for that matter) is if there is a decent public transport link for everyone, not one that stops at 2pm because they have to use the old rubbishy bus for a school run.

Come on bus companies, get together with the councils and lets have a proper transport system that matches the trams and makes Nottingham the envy of the public transport world!
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Message 18 - posted by formerly-warning, Jan 11, 2007


This is just another stealth tax by this government.

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Where's the stealth? Big signs everywhere. Lots of media attention. A charge on your credit card each time you pay. Unlike petrol duty, it is entirely transparent. At the end of the day, taxation serves the dual purposes of raising revenue and encouraging/discouraging behaviour. This is a fairly simple example of exactly that. As for the fact that the money raised doesn't all go into improving public transport, why should it? There is no particular reason why the amount of revenue raised by this tax and the amount of money that the Government decides to invest in public transport should coincide.

Oh, and I say all this as someone who thoroughly enjoys driving and hates taking the bus.
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Message 19 - posted by mattl4800, Jan 11, 2007

it seems alot of people dont see the bigger picture. not everybody works on a public transport route. if i want to go into town at the weekend then great it costs me 1.30 on the bus, but businesses are not just in town centres. this for me is having to pay more to go to work, where I already pay alot of tax, everyday of the week.
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Message 20 - posted by mattl4800, Jan 11, 2007

As for the fact that the money raised doesn't all go into improving public transport, why should it? There is no particular reason why the amount of revenue raised by this tax and the amount of money that the Government decides to invest in public transport should coincide.


so you wouldnt mind if all your national insurance payments went to tarmacing a road in scotland! i like to think that the tax that we pay in certain areas goes towards improving that area. I dont think im wrong in think that.
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