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Ban on dangerous dogs

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Message 1 - posted by bigfatprodigalson, Jan 2, 2007

Hows about banning potentially dangerous dogs such as the pitbull, rottwieler, bulldog - sick of seeing these stories about deaths and injuries and dont give a hoot over the owners rights.
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Message 2 - posted by U4357578, Jan 2, 2007

The dangerous dogs act was knee jerk and ill thought out.

What actually happened was that these banned dogs became a badge (for those that need such badges to feel 'bad').

Any further reaching ban is likely to make these dogs more desirable.
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Message 3 - posted by BRAD, Jan 2, 2007

All dogs are soft puppies at some stage. Its the owners who make the dog how it is. I own two a black lab - typically normal dog in everyones eyes and also a crazy fun loving Boxerdog.. Now anywhere I take her becasue she is like in ya face - making snorting nosies everyone sseems to think she is a danagerous dog...

Now it couldnt be far from the truth. From my experince of dogs, a boxers tempermpt is amazing. I could honestly say that I could trust to leave one with a young baby - the worst that would happen would be that the dog might lick the baby or steal its food... But seriously its the owners not the dogs. Staffs, Rots etc make fablous pets with the right owners.

Maybe we should have like dog classes or something before you are allowed to own one? But please dont call the breads....
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Message 4 - posted by bigfatprodigalson, Jan 2, 2007

yes but an outright ban would mean that the dogs would be seized on sight - so unless the dogs were kept in a room out of sight (which I agree is not beyond what this sort of person would do)and a fine for owning one these dogs would disappear more or less.

Lets be honest - the sort of person that ususally owns such a dog is hardly what you would call an upstanding member of society - usually inadequates who like to look "hard" or be generalised as "bad men"
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Message 5 - posted by Lizziedripping, Jan 2, 2007

I see your point Jonah. While choosing a Christmas tree for my Mum this year at Hoo farm I nearly came home with a ferret instead. Despite the memory of a little girl I grew up with who's face was badly disfigured by one as a baby I've been told they make good pets and the family were totally against the idea of getting a dog for Christmas for some reason.We saw the New Year in with a Jack Russell pup though - wish us luck.
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Message 6 - posted by BRAD, Jan 2, 2007

How many say Staffies are there... Hundreads of thousads id say. Now it would be totally unfair to ban these dogs just because of some idiots.

Its the same with cars, the type of people who are using a dog as a Gun on a Lead, could quite easier use a car in the same way..

Baning a type of bread would be just silly... The media blows up dangerous dogs bigtime??

can I ask you? Do you own a dog? or have you ever... If so what type?
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Message 7 - posted by bigfatprodigalson, Jan 2, 2007

All dogs are soft puppies at some stage. Its the owners who make the dog how it is. I own two a black lab - typically normal dog in everyones eyes and also a crazy fun loving Boxerdog.. Now anywhere I take her becasue she is like in ya face - making snorting nosies everyone sseems to think she is a danagerous dog...

Now it couldnt be far from the truth. From my experince of dogs, a boxers tempermpt is amazing. I could honestly say that I could trust to leave one with a young baby - the worst that would happen would be that the dog might lick the baby or steal its food... But seriously its the owners not the dogs. Staffs, Rots etc make fablous pets with the right owners.

Maybe we should have like dog classes or something before you are allowed to own one? But please dont call the breads....

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I appreciate your sentiments here - I am a dog lover myself - the woman who had the face transplant was injured by a labrador ! I think that the specific breads - such as pitbull - should be wiped out - taking the injuries caused by this breed, with their removal - there would be a dramatic reduction in these sort of injuries and the respectable dog owners (and breeds) left in peace
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Message 8 - posted by bigfatprodigalson, Jan 2, 2007

How many say Staffies are there... Hundreads of thousads id say. Now it would be totally unfair to ban these dogs just because of some idiots.

Its the same with cars, the type of people who are using a dog as a Gun on a Lead, could quite easier use a car in the same way..

Baning a type of bread would be just silly... The media blows up dangerous dogs bigtime??

can I ask you? Do you own a dog? or have you ever... If so what type?

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I have owned labradors, a border terrier and a heinze 57 as a child (cross between alsation/golden retriever). I currently do not own a dog as I am out of the house too long in the day.

There are certain breeds that are not legitimate - such as the pitbull - and are not owned by responsible people - these are the ones I would target. I am not sentimantal about the numbers - given that we slaughter 1000's of other animals per day for food - dogs are no different - I do not project human qualities to animals
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Message 9 - posted by BRAD, Jan 2, 2007

Yeah fine enough about killing animals - but ya average cow is not the same as a dometsic dog - We have made them soft loving things with feelings that we can appriate.. Not many people could say ohh my cow needs water because of the way it looks. Animals and pets are different....

Like I said its the owners faults. nothing to do wiht the breads. Any dogs can be nasty.. I have found that smaller dogs - like for example the yorkie are very vicious.. Appernetly they are so interbread with their own bros n sis that this makes them nasty.. To be fair they are not considered as a bread by the kennal club.

Its an hard debit and the only ones I would say defo need to be banned/destoryed would be an american pitbull - these dogs are more like wild animales than pets...

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Message 10 - posted by *RebelBadger*, Jan 2, 2007

I grew up with a dog (A german shephard cross) from the age of 10 and lost him last year. He was so laid back, he had the patience of a saint with children and we never saw any aggression in him.

I just recently adopted a young male miniature poodle from a friend of a friend. He had been living outside in a kennel for 2 years, hand fed chicken and given half an hour of playtime a day. I've had him for 4 months now and nearly all his issues have been neatened out but he's still got attitude. He was obviously beaten at some point because he's scared of anything that resembles a stick. He's defensive aggressive but I think he will learnt to trust humans completley again given time.

It really shows if an owner is mistreating a dog in some way. Dog's need to be shown respect and love and they will give it back a hundred fold. I'm a firm believer that dogs need to be socialised as much as possible at an early age, that means with other people, children, dogs and animals. Dogs that are not socialised become anxious and overprotective and tend to be aggressive.

There are also those dog breeds that were bred specifically for fighting, hunting and guarding. These I believe cannot be kept around children. There are dogs you cannot trust no matter how long you have known them.
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Message 11 - posted by BRAD, Jan 2, 2007

I would have to disagree. My dog is a boxer - full hunting dog - The germans used it for fighting and protection.

Now I could eaiser make her vicouis - would take serveral weeks of me bulling her and litteraly taking the mick but she would change.. Just as you had previously ironed out any problems the dog had when you got her..

A boxerdog is seen by many as a big fat scary looking monster but its the opersite - I find that some of the more so called "vicous" dogs or ones from the Gun group are also big softies...

All dogs can be trusted around children if they are training correctly.... Have you not seen dog brosal - Gun dogs are safe and can be around children it just requires re-training and like you meantioned respect on two way level....
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Message 12 - posted by bigfatprodigalson, Jan 2, 2007

Yeah fine enough about killing animals - but ya average cow is not the same as a dometsic dog - We have made them soft loving things with feelings that we can appriate.. Not many people could say ohh my cow needs water because of the way it looks. Animals and pets are different....

Like I said its the owners faults. nothing to do wiht the breads. Any dogs can be nasty.. I have found that smaller dogs - like for example the yorkie are very vicious.. Appernetly they are so interbread with their own bros n sis that this makes them nasty.. To be fair they are not considered as a bread by the kennal club.

Its an hard debit and the only ones I would say defo need to be banned/destoryed would be an american pitbull - these dogs are more like wild animales than pets...


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On your last point I think we are in agreement - I target the pitbull in particular.

I do not share you views on the animal bit though - I am well aware, having owned dogs myself, that it is very easy to become attached to dogs, as with other pets, and therefore easy to project human qualities onto them. I think this is erronious however. Dogs are pack animals and simply display these charactoristics as pets - whilst these are endearing to the owner - they are nonetheless dogs. You will see in the larger more willful breeds that the owner must rule with an iron hand (this is not advocating cruelty by any means, just not tolerating any nonesense and letting the dog know this - as this is the only thing a dog respects)- you have to appear to be the alpha male/female otherwise they will attempt to be it themselves and their charactors will reflect this.

It does make me laugh when I see owners being dragged along the street by dobermanns/huskies/dalmations or whatever breed is currently "fashionable" (trying to look hard)

In most cases I would agree with you on it being the owners fault. Any dog after mistreatment / conditioning can become vicious. If a dog attacked me I would have no hesitation in having it destroyed - and would also sue the owner - as ultimately they are responsible - but my point is - owners of dogs like the pitbull are not responsible to begin with - these are bred for dogfighting only - no other function - and the owners are as bad as the perpetrators
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Message 13 - posted by *RebelBadger*, Jan 2, 2007

I agree with you stating that hunting dogs such as boxers can be safe around children. Several families with young children in my area have german shephards, staffordshire bull terriers and rottweilers. I think that all dogs have the potential to attack and I think its naive to trust any dog completley. The dogs in the news that mauled these poor children had probably been deemed safe by the owners as the dogs appeared friendly to the children beforehand. There would have been something to trigger the dogs into attacking. Instinct would have taken over.

My miniature poodle also has alot of patience with children but I am always there to supervise and make sure the children aren't taunting him in anyway. Do you not think that if any dog is triggered or pushed enough it will attack? when previously thought to be a soft lovable part of the family. It wasn't that long ago they were wolves. I think thats where education and supervision comes in. Teach children the correct way to treat a dog and always supervise when their playing together.

I think that people who don't know how to treat dogs properly shouldn't be allowed to keep them but this would never be enforcable.
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Message 14 - posted by Chris-Leeds, Jan 3, 2007

What happened to people taking responsibility for things they should be responsible for without having to be forced into it by legislation?

Reminds me of Tony Blair the other week talking about catching potentially troublesome kids early, if there's signs they might turn out to be 'bad apples'.

Should we really have to do this? People talk about a nanny state but perhaps if the minority of idiots who spoil it for everyone - in this case can't be bothered looking after an animal properly - got their fingers out their <insert rude word here> and started acting like ADULTS the government wouldn't need to intervene. Jesus.
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Message 15 - posted by Sam the Man, Jan 3, 2007

Just threaten to take the owner out and shoot them first, then watch how many 'dangerous dogs' are left

The owners all have small peenies.
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Message 16 - posted by PlainAshington, Jan 3, 2007

Hunting breeds can be safe with children, fighting breeds can be safe with children.

Dogs that hunt or fight have been blooded and ARE NOT safe with children.

Of all the breeds and crosses available there is absolutely no need to own a fighting breed other than as said for macho ego.
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Message 17 - posted by stevetaal, Jan 3, 2007

There was a young lad on TV last night who openly admitted that he kept pitbull cross instead of carrying a knife.

He stated that he would set the dog on anyone who crossed him.

So, use your dog as a weapon? That seems to be one of the reasons for owning one.
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Message 18 - posted by Sam the Man, Jan 3, 2007

You have it in one


This was raised last time maddogs came up

Law too tuff on knives and guns but dangerous dogs .. .

I blame granny with the whippet
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Message 19 - posted by stevetaal, Jan 3, 2007

I am told that if a dog attacks you, as long as you don't panic, all you have to do is grab hold of its front paws and pull them as far apart as possible.

This apparently kills the animal almost instantly, as I said, so I am told.

Not sure how it works but there you go.

I suppose what you should do next, is use the dead dog to beat its owner with.
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Message 20 - posted by Sam the Man, Jan 3, 2007

We will allow you to trial that whilst watching at a suitable distance

In todays society the minorities rule we all know who has dogs for nefarious reasons. Who the drivers are with behavioural problems the systematic benefit and tax cheats. The person taking a ride on the NHs.

Big G favours them there is jobs in misfits
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