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Now we're to have 'Respect Areas'!

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Message 1 - posted by U6532874, Dec 27, 2006

That's public disorder solved then. Just like that.

Will it decimate property values?
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Message 2 - posted by Devon_Dumpling, Dec 27, 2006

Further to your post news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/...
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Message 3 - posted by U4357578, Dec 27, 2006

I bet Corby is on the list....prolly top ten!
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Message 4 - posted by U6532874, Dec 27, 2006

And Coxside Plymouth where I live much of the time.
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Message 5 - posted by Tommysanstarfish, Dec 27, 2006

There is one good way to combat anti-social behaviour and it costs nothing, it is let the schools and teachers discipline the children.
I know it has to be done in the home as well, but all the time children in school have the upper hand with teachers (teachers cant tell them off)cant raise their hand to them )cant make them do as they are told, cant make them behave in class).If a child is not made to behave in class, why should they suddenly behave elsewhere?
All the time there is no discipline in schools it will get worse.
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Message 6 - posted by U6532874, Dec 27, 2006

So how do independent schools manage without corporal punishment?
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Message 7 - posted by Tommysanstarfish, Dec 27, 2006

I dont mean corporal punishment as such, I just mean being allowed to tell them off ect.Years ago many children at school did as they were told, with out being hurt. For some the thought of being punished was enough. Now days children can say to the teacher "you cant make me do anything the law is on my side"
Now after years of this "the law" is handing out asbo's to those children..It does not make sense to me..

So how do independent schools manage without corporal punishment?

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Message 8 - posted by U4357578, Dec 27, 2006

Tommy, you wrote that teachers can't raise their hands to them. That alone says that you do in fact mean corporal punishment.

So, how can private schools manage to control their pupils?
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Message 9 - posted by Ramslad, Dec 27, 2006



So, how can private schools manage to control their pupils?

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Keep them as high as kites on dope;)
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Message 10 - posted by Sam the Man, Dec 27, 2006

More Labour hogwash

Why dont they just do one thing well?

Like
Child support, Iraq, Money (bungs ) for Lords, Dome, Scottish Parliament, knackered private pensions
We are all too cynical to care . . ..
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Message 11 - posted by U4357578, Dec 27, 2006

Hang on Sam.

Weren't the tories full of sleaze/bungs? Archer, Hamilton?

The Dome....tory idea.

CSA...erm, Tories again.

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Message 12 - posted by Sam the Man, Dec 27, 2006

Yeah M8 but who b0ll0xed em up . ..
Or are you in Nirvana?

(Islington)
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Message 13 - posted by John of Paddington, Dec 27, 2006

40 areas to get extra funding, WHATS THE BETTING THEY ARE LABOUR CONSTITUANCIES. All it ever took in the past to calm an area down was a proper Police patrol. Forget the political correct and pussy footing pansies, you go for Zero Tolerance and mean it. Respect is something that is earned and can not be not demanded. This Government has no respect.
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Message 14 - posted by U4357578, Dec 27, 2006

The CSA has never worked.

The Tories hadn't a clue what they were going to do with the dome themselves.

It was a white elephant from the start.

My mam has had two hip operations within the last 10 months. Under the tories I waited 10 months for a consultation to have a tonsilectomy!

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Message 15 - posted by John of Paddington, Dec 27, 2006

40 areas to get extra funding, WHATS THE BETTING THEY ARE LABOUR CONSTITUANCIES. All it ever took in the past to calm an area down was a proper Police patrol. Forget the political correct and pussy footing panzies, you go for Zero Tolerance and mean it. Respect is something that is earned and can not be not demanded. This Government has no respect.
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Message 16 - posted by ChrisGlastonbury, Dec 28, 2006

Tommy, you wrote that teachers can't raise their hands to them. That alone says that you do in fact mean corporal punishment.

So, how can private schools manage to control their pupils?

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The reason private schools, or rather 'Public' as they are more commonly refered to, can control their pupils better, is :-

1. Usually a lower ratio of pupil to teacher.

2. The children that go to these schools are those that are more likely to be willing to learn.

3. Input of finance into the 'Public' school sector by those who are paying for their children to go there.

4. Extra activities e.g. sport, done outside of the normal educational timetable. This therefore means the child often on average being at school for an 8 - 9 hr day and depending on the school they go to, going in to school on a Saturday. Note this is why they get longer holidays because they cram education into a shorter period of time.
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Message 17 - posted by U4357578, Dec 28, 2006

Chris.
With the exception of point number two, you've listed the advantages of private schooling over state schools.

Point 2 is just stereotyping. All kids behave badly at some point. How is bad behaviour handled in private schools?

This stemmed from one contributor wanting to bring back discipline in school and at home.

I think it's more about teaching respect and having values and you can't slap either into a child.
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Message 18 - posted by ChrisGlastonbury, Dec 28, 2006

With my point 2, I have gone on the principle that the parents of the said child are putting some financial input whether it be 100% or a percentage coming from other sources.

Yes, ok, all children misbehave at some point, but a parent isn't going to keep forking out large sums of extra money when they don't need to compared to sending a child to a state school if their child can't be bothered. Therefore on this principle, there is a larger percentage of children willing to learn when going to a Public sector school.
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Message 19 - posted by BasfordBill, Dec 28, 2006

I'd say the kids who attend private/public schools are from a completely different background/class to the kids at state schools.

They have, almost certainly, never roamed the streets or played games with kids from 'deprived' areas.

How is bad behaviour handled in private schools

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Until a few years ago (possibly still continuing?) corporal punishment was retained in public/high schools long after it was removed from state schools, I don't know how often, or even 'if' it was/is used though.
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Message 20 - posted by John of Paddington, Dec 28, 2006

The parents of Children at Public Schools pay dearly for the priveledge. The children, on the whole, want to be there. There are always more wouldbe entrants to places. Bad behaviour and you are out. When you are traveling First Class, the threat on being sent down to the Steerage keeps you on best behaviour.
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