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Latest Cornish Language Developments

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Message 21 - posted by Fulup le Breton, Dec 19, 2006

Studies underatken in the Breton Diwan schools which nare bilingual Freanch Breton show that the students have above average academic results and that learning a third languge like English or German is much easier.

So their you go. You protect cultural diversity and give your kids a great education at the same time.

PS i don't want to see Cornish as a compulsory subject. I would be very suspect of anybody on here who says they do!
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Message 22 - posted by stevetaal, Dec 19, 2006

Of course, if we really want to give them an advantage, seriously, we should be teaching Chinese.

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Message 23 - posted by Fulup le Breton, Dec 19, 2006

Yup as a third language, after going through a bilingual school, it would be easier to learn.
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Message 24 - posted by Stan_Nary, Dec 19, 2006

Patrick, you ask "why compulsory?".

Ask the Welsh.

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Message 25 - posted by pfishwick, Dec 19, 2006

Patrick, you ask "why compulsory?".

Ask the Welsh.


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I was asking you - about Cornish.

Patrick
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Message 26 - posted by new forest polecat, Dec 19, 2006

ello pfishy! come ta sort en out nipper?<biggrin>ere this board cant be policed without ya nipper youl afta come back!
Patrick, you ask "why compulsory?".

Ask the Welsh.



I was asking you - about Cornish.

Patrick

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Message 27 - posted by Brian, Dec 20, 2006

Why should Cornish not be compulsory in schools like Welsh is in wales?
It's easy to see what Stan_Nary was getting at for gods sake!
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Message 28 - posted by pfishwick, Dec 20, 2006

It's a completely different situation regarding numbers actually speaking it as a living language.

Patrick
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Message 29 - posted by U4409815, Dec 20, 2006

Studies underatken in the Breton Diwan schools which nare bilingual Freanch Breton show that the students have above average academic results and that learning a third languge like English or German is much easier.

So their you go. You protect cultural diversity and give your kids a great education at the same time.

PS i don't want to see Cornish as a compulsory subject. I would be very suspect of anybody on here who says they do!

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I agree FlB.

In RoI Gael Scoil general get better academic results than english language based state schools. However, there is a sociodemographic reason, in ROI middle class parents favour Gael Scoil and the children of these parents would generally achieve better results than their peers through english as well.

My kids go to english language based school, I can't take the greeny holier than though attitude of the parents and republican agenda of the teachers at the Gael Scoil.
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Message 30 - posted by Fulup le Breton, Dec 20, 2006

Studies underatken in the Breton Diwan schools which nare bilingual Freanch Breton show

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I think I need to go back to school after writing that!
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Message 31 - posted by Brian, Dec 21, 2006

"It's a completely different situation regarding numbers actually speaking it as a living language. "

And before Welsh was introduced as a compulsory language the number of Welsh speakers was dwindling.

Why should Kernowek not have the same advantage?

I don't see why you English are getting het up about it, it won't affect your kids.

Or maybe there's some jealousy involved, as English is the "lingua franca"* of the internet and is becomeiong ubiquitous world wide, you are jealous of the Cornish for having something of their own which is unique.

Gotcha!


*Excuse my bad pun.
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Message 32 - posted by U6532874, Dec 21, 2006

I live in an identifiable inner city part of Plymouth.If a sad few dozen of us decided to think up a novelty language because we have nothing better than to be obsessed by wanting to be acknowleged, would we be entitlede to call for recognition parity with small nations like Monacco San Morino and the Vatican and force those who live here but are not similarly pathetic, to learn our argot?
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Message 33 - posted by U4409815, Dec 21, 2006

Brian,

Learning other languages is good. But, making the learning of languages compulsory is full of problems and flaws.

For example which cornish dialect would be the taught version (thus killing of the other dialects, these marginalised dialect speakers might then feel discriminated against).

The method of teaching needs to be vibrant and absorbing (see irish model for the way not to do it).

Instantly alienate all the people that don't want to learn languages, and as language is strongly linked to the nationalist cause, indirectly alienate voters.
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Message 34 - posted by jofphater, Dec 21, 2006

Blah blah blah!! When will thease topics end? Cornwall wont reestablish its language or independance as there is no point!
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Message 35 - posted by U4409815, Dec 21, 2006

Blah blah blah!! When will thease topics end? Cornwall wont reestablish its language or independance as there is no point!

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Pointless post, what else would you expect from jof, cretainly not christmas cheer
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Message 36 - posted by Fulup le Breton, Dec 21, 2006

Blah blah blah!! When will thease topics end? Cornwall wont reestablish its language or independance as there is no point!


Pointless post, what else would you expect from jof, cretainly not christmas cheer

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Indeed, nasty little English supremacist.
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Message 37 - posted by pfishwick, Dec 21, 2006

"It's a completely different situation regarding numbers actually speaking it as a living language. "

And before Welsh was introduced as a compulsory language the number of Welsh speakers was dwindling.

Why should Kernowek not have the same advantage?

I don't see why you English are getting het up about it, it won't affect your kids.

Or maybe there's some jealousy involved, as English is the "lingua franca"* of the internet and is becomeiong ubiquitous world wide, you are jealous of the Cornish for having something of their own which is unique.

Gotcha!


*Excuse my bad pun.

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Who's getting het up, Brian? All I ask is why compusory, given that Cornish is not spoken as the vernacular language by many people at all, unlike Welsh which is the language (or the principle one) on the street, and in the workplace, for hundreds of thousands. Different situations need different strategies.

You're not worried about lack of demand are you? ;)I imagine there's enough of that to support increased provision, especially as Cornish is now officially recognised.

Nadelik Lowen/Merry Crimble,

Patrick
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Message 38 - posted by Stan_Nary, Dec 21, 2006

As has been proved many times here Kernowek is incrwasing and is enjoying a resurgance. If we were to be able to ensure, as the Welsh did for Cymraeg, that every school kid has the opportunity of learning the language of their country, then its survival would be ensured.

Making it optional is asure way of fragmenting and distorting it's teaching. Making it compulsory, and therefore putting the onus on the school to ensure that it is taught to each child is a bteer and more equitable way of teaching it.

Kernewek Kemmyn is the prefered choice of most Kernowek speakers and should be adopted as the main language, with referrence made to the other less popular variations.
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Message 39 - posted by formerly-warning, Jan 6, 2007

As if there weren't enough barriers in the World. Why deliberately go out and invent yet another one? Is the pathetic need to belong to your own "tribe" so strong that it justifies resurrecting a dead language just so that its self-righteous backers can create yet another them/us divide?
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Message 40 - posted by geoTamar, Jan 6, 2007

Good grief, it's an officially recognised minority language! It was recognised firstly by Europe, then the UK Government and actually gets some grant money. It's popularity has gone from strength to strength.
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