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Unitary Cumbria NO WAY

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Message 21 - posted by truelancastrian, Jan 23, 2007

I wonder why Cumbria county coucillors all seem to be in favour of a unitory authority no matter where they represent and the vast majority of district coucillors are against it. Could it be that the county councillors know whats' best for us, or dare I suggest that they know whats' best for themselves and to hell with the outcome ?
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Message 22 - posted by U2673775, Jan 24, 2007

I wonder why Cumbria county coucillors all seem to be in favour of a unitory authority no matter where they represent and the vast majority of district coucillors are against it. Could it be that the county councillors know whats' best for us, or dare I suggest that they know whats' best for themselves and to hell with the outcome ?

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Yes. Well, "dare I suggest that they know what's best for themselves" says you think that they do, and I suspect that isn't what you meant! What it boils down to is if that you give some people a bit of power then they always want more. Douglas Adams very accurately said "On no account should anyone capable of getting themselves into a position of power be allowed to do so." It's true for world leaders, and equally true for every level of government and organisation imaginable.
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Message 23 - posted by truelancastrian, May 11, 2007

Well I guess the ball is really rolling now, never mind that the majority of us don't want this so called "democratic", one vision one voice one council rubish, (where is the democracy in that motto ?) Where can we, the ordinary person in the street, have a say in this matter which will be listened to by people who make the decisions. I suspect that there is nowhere. Even town councillors seem to have had their tongues ripped out lately for putting alternative ideas forward. I can tell you that it is a waste of time asking local MPs to help in enabling individual comment, as mine ( John Hutton )couldn't find the time for himself or one of his helpers to even reply to this request a couple of months ago when I tried.
I wonder why Cumbria county coucillors all seem to be in favour of a unitory authority no matter where they represent and the vast majority of district coucillors are against it. Could it be that the county councillors know whats' best for us, or dare I suggest that they know whats' best for themselves and to hell with the outcome ?
Yes. Well, "dare I suggest that they know what's best for themselves" says you think that they do, and I suspect that isn't what you meant! What it boils down to is if that you give some people a bit of power then they always want more. Douglas Adams very accurately said "On no account should anyone capable of getting themselves into a position of power be allowed to do so." It's true for world leaders, and equally true for every level of government and organisation imaginable.

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Message 24 - posted by U2673775, May 14, 2007

Sometimes you have to accept no say on a matter. Government by referendum would be unworkable, and a mess in any case, and those whose views were in the minority would still complain. When it comes to governing believe it or not it is sometimes best to leave it to the professionals who have a better view of the whole business than you or me. We do have elections every now and then to try to keep them in line a bit, but it makes far more sense in judging them overall than controlling every question. As hopeless as governments usually seem to be, I've yet to hear a suggestion that would genuinely make them better.
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Message 25 - posted by hereward's-awake, May 16, 2007

I'm an exiled Barrow Lad living in Dorset and have NEVER accepted that the Furness & Cartmel districts are in that Bastxxxised creation of Cumbria. We are, and will always be, "Lancashire North of The Sands".
Likewise, Kendal, Appleby, etc will always be in the proud county of Westmorland.
Rutland regained their heritage - why can't Furness,Cartmel and Westmorland regain theirs?

Red Rose Forever - Semper Sursum!
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Message 26 - posted by kynson, Jun 11, 2007

But surely the unitary authority is a first step towards Independence for Cumbria?? We must embrace this brave ideal and leave behind the old states of England and Scotland!

Independence!!

Freeeeeeee-dumb!!!
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Message 27 - posted by Choccybic, Jun 11, 2007

I have some major problems with the concept and implementation of a unitary authority, which are, in a nutshell :

i) What is likely to be a prototype for the rest of England is being rushed through with little, if any, public discourse. The timing seems to be excessively hasty for such a monumental change.

ii) The proposal is for a one tier council of elected members, but with a quota of non-elected 'placemen'. ie A few good men from Whitehall will oversee and overrule those elected. ie This is in reality a Quango.

iii) Just why is it better ? Cost savings, if any, are marginal. This does not affect the actual delivery of services (police / schools / bins etc) but the management of such. You know the cost of change will be massive. (We know what new logos cost, thankyou).

iv) Don't forget, we pay for these 'servants of the people'. They are to do as we bid, not vice versa. Sounds silly eh, nowadays ?

A bit less haste, a bit more discourse please.
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